Brooklyn vs St. John's

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Ms. B
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Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby Ms. B » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:13 pm

Hi guys, I'm trying to decide between Brooklyn with $30k a year in scholarship and SJU with full. I know the stips on St. John's scholarships are a bit sketchy, but employment stats seem to be similar to BLS according to the ABA, is there something I'm missing? SJU gets hated on a lot in comparison to Brooklyn but they don't seem to be so different to me in terms of tangible opportunities. I've visited both schools and I'd rather be at BLS in terms of location and vibe, but how much does that actually matter? Is it worth $20k more/year? Thanks for your input in advance!

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby Mal Reynolds » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:15 pm

Neither is worth any amount of money. Don't go to these schools. They are scams.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby rad lulz » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:25 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:Neither is worth any amount of money. Don't go to these schools. They are scams.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby porch » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:04 pm

Retake

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby Ms. B » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:07 pm

No offense, but what makes you say this so omnisciently after I have just said that I've seen the ABA employment stats? With that info in the picture, it seems like just a difference of opinion, which is fine but there's no sense in pretending like yours is absolute truth without being able to back it up. Everyone is coming from different circumstances, so what is the point in making assumptions?

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby rad lulz » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:18 pm

Ms. B wrote:No offense, but what makes you say this so omnisciently after I have just said that I've seen the ABA employment stats? With that info in the picture, it seems like just a difference of opinion, which is fine but there's no sense in pretending like yours is absolute truth without being able to back it up. Everyone is coming from different circumstances, so what is the point in making assumptions?

Dood this is incoherent

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby simplythebest » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:34 pm

Stipulations?

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby timbs4339 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:39 pm

You're right. The job prospects are not particularly different and both will place in the NY metro area into small firm, PD or DA jobs.

I'm sure by now you know to drop out if you lose the scholly after the first year. Alternatively, try to negotiate a lower stip. Top 70% is about as low as I'd go. If you're bottom 30% at those schools your job prospects go out the window anyway.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby mindarmed » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:36 pm

Don't go to either of these shitholes

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby thethe » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:18 am

St. John's has some hot girls. The guys are largely tough to deal with though. They're like beef heads personality wise but don't workout, which is the worst kind of person to befriend.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby thethe » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:48 am

Lol where ru rad? Are you a 3l?


But St johns for free isnt'd bad. There's a kennedy fried chicken who was supposed to change their signs bec of a kfc copyright issue. But it's decent chicken. You can live really cheap there.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby Ms. B » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:42 am

simplythebest wrote:Stipulations?


just saw this, stips for st. john's are top 40% to retain 100% of scholarship, 55% to retain 75% of scholarship, and top 65% to retain 50%. Stips for brooklyn are top 80%.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby wannabelawstudent » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:56 am

Brooklyns not worth it. I know plenty of people that turned down full rides from them last year.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby Mal Reynolds » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:58 am

Ms. B wrote:
simplythebest wrote:Stipulations?


just saw this, stips for st. john's are top 40% to retain 100% of scholarship, 55% to retain 75% of scholarship, and top 65% to retain 50%. Stips for brooklyn are top 80%.


Stop with this delusion. Neither of these schools will give you a chance at gainful employment.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby stuckinthemiddle » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:00 pm

Ms. B wrote:
simplythebest wrote:Stipulations?


just saw this, stips for st. john's are top 40% to retain 100% of scholarship, 55% to retain 75% of scholarship, and top 65% to retain 50%. Stips for brooklyn are top 80%.


St. John's stips are absolutely horrid.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby DoveBodyWash » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:21 pm

What are your numbers? If your GPA is decent and your LSAT is what kept you down then most ppl here would tell u to retake. But if you're set on attending either of these schools and they are your only viable options then I would negotiate as much as you can and just pick the cheaper school.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby thethe » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:14 pm

stuckinthemiddle wrote:
Ms. B wrote:
simplythebest wrote:Stipulations?


just saw this, stips for st. john's are top 40% to retain 100% of scholarship, 55% to retain 75% of scholarship, and top 65% to retain 50%. Stips for brooklyn are top 80%.


St. John's stips are absolutely horrid.

do they section stack? if it's almost free or will be around 5k and there were no other options, id personally take the gamble on getting 5% or so if there's no section stacking. top 5% seems to have decent outcomes. i wouldn't pay $ for this bet, but it'd almost be like trying to win survivor.

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby Ms. B » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:30 pm

thethe wrote:
stuckinthemiddle wrote:
Ms. B wrote:
simplythebest wrote:Stipulations?


just saw this, stips for st. john's are top 40% to retain 100% of scholarship, 55% to retain 75% of scholarship, and top 65% to retain 50%. Stips for brooklyn are top 80%.


St. John's stips are absolutely horrid.

do they section stack? if it's almost free or will be around 5k and there were no other options, id personally take the gamble on getting 5% or so if there's no section stacking. top 5% seems to have decent outcomes. i wouldn't pay $ for this bet, but it'd almost be like trying to win survivor.


They do not section stack. I asked my admissions counselor point blank about this and she said very definitely that it does not happen. Where are you getting 5% from just out of curiosity? On ABA, they have 41/296 graduates that were practicing in 100+firms which is nearly 14%. Still not great...but slightly more doable. To be honest though, I'm realllllllly not looking for that type of gig. I'm hoping to do government work or PI which is 45/296 (15%). Doesnt seem too impossible especially considering it would be free....thoughts?

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Re: Brooklyn vs St. John's

Postby stuckinthemiddle » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:50 pm

Are you sure they don't section stack? Try to look for info from other sources (not just the school which would have a vested interest in convincing you otherwise).

Top 40% is a really awful stip, but I guess if you can't score within that percentile at St. John's, you're better off dropping out.




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