St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby cnk » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:11 pm

amartinez91 wrote:wait listed today after being complete since 12/10...not too surprised as it was a very big reach school but still going to write an LOCI


how did you find out? email or status checker?

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby amartinez91 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:38 pm

cnk wrote:
amartinez91 wrote:wait listed today after being complete since 12/10...not too surprised as it was a very big reach school but still going to write an LOCI


how did you find out? email or status checker?


Status checker this afternoon and it stated I should receive an email but I still haven't gotten it yet.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby babyxballerina » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:53 pm

Hey. Have any of you guys tried negotiating scholarship with St. John's and been successful? Would I be able to negotiate with scholarship offers from DePaul (maybe not because it's in chicago?) and Hofstra? Anyone able to negotiate for a better stip or no stip?

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby pwnyc127 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:34 pm

babyxballerina wrote:Hey. Anyone able to negotiate for a better stip or no stip?


They refuse to negotiate on stips. I tried.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby babyxballerina » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:45 pm

pwnyc127 wrote:
babyxballerina wrote:Hey. Anyone able to negotiate for a better stip or no stip?


They refuse to negotiate on stips. I tried.


Gotcha. Thanks. I'll focus on the $$$ amount then! Jw. What schools did you use to help negotiate?

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby dirtrida2 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:46 pm

pwnyc127 wrote:
babyxballerina wrote:Hey. Anyone able to negotiate for a better stip or no stip?


They refuse to negotiate on stips. I tried.


If thats the case, then avoid at all costs. Any school that runs on a 40% stip should get a taste of their own medicine.

High stips and section stacking - they just want their money (not that all schools don't - but much more so than others).

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby pwnyc127 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:30 pm

dirtrida2 wrote:
pwnyc127 wrote:
babyxballerina wrote:Hey. Anyone able to negotiate for a better stip or no stip?


They refuse to negotiate on stips. I tried.


If thats the case, then avoid at all costs. Any school that runs on a 40% stip should get a taste of their own medicine.

High stips and section stacking - they just want their money (not that all schools don't - but much more so than others).


Agreed. Look at the stats and decide for yourself: http://new.stjohns.edu/academics/gradua ... rships.stj

I didn't have to negotiate because I was offered a full ride up front. I would recommend using any higher ranked school as leverage though.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby babyxballerina » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:32 pm

aresdude wrote:Just got accepted.

It says "In addition, in recognition of your outstanding academic achievement, the Committee on Scholarships has awarded you an annual Tuition Scholarship."

Does that mean full tuition scholarship?


I don't think so. I think it means you just get a scholarship which could range from $5000 to full. I had the same thing on mine and I didn't get full tuition.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby letmein14 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:39 pm

I was complete on 1/4, UR a week later, and then UR for the second time on 3/5. I am below medians and expressed an interests to participate in the summer institute program. Anyone else in a similar boat?

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby letitbe1981 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:01 pm

I'm in with 42,500/yr 159/3.7. Is this their largest scholarship offer?

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby dirtrida2 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:21 pm

letitbe1981 wrote:I'm in with 42,500/yr 159/3.7. Is this their largest scholarship offer?



No I have a full ride - means nothing with the 40% stip (they wont negotiate the stips)

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby blacklawboss » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:35 pm

Run away! SJ is heading into a dark place. Job placement is abysmal!

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby dirtrida2 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:01 pm

blacklawboss wrote:Run away! SJ is heading into a dark place. Job placement is abysmal!



+1

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby ruralaw » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:28 am

blacklawboss wrote:Run away! SJ is heading into a dark place. Job placement is abysmal!


Doesn't seem more abysmal than most other schools similarly ranked.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby dirtrida2 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:36 am

ruralaw wrote:
blacklawboss wrote:Run away! SJ is heading into a dark place. Job placement is abysmal!


Doesn't seem more abysmal than most other schools similarly ranked.



This is the NY market we are talking about...

Not only do you have competition from the peer schools like Touro, Hofstra, Brooklyn, and Cardozo - you also have competition from Columbia, NYU, Cornell, and Fordham.

Remember, I am only listing NY schools here - think about all the T14 grads that come to the city for their legal careers.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby ruralaw » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:47 am

dirtrida2 wrote:
ruralaw wrote:
blacklawboss wrote:Run away! SJ is heading into a dark place. Job placement is abysmal!


Doesn't seem more abysmal than most other schools similarly ranked.



This is the NY market we are talking about...

Not only do you have competition from the peer schools like Touro, Hofstra, Brooklyn, and Cardozo - you also have competition from Columbia, NYU, Cornell, and Fordham.

Remember, I am only listing NY schools here - think about all the T14 grads that come to the city for their legal careers.



I agree that the New York market is saturated; however, this is nothing new. The post stating that St. John's is "heading for an abysmal place" implied that this is new news. The job prospects and competition are about the same as they have been for years.

Also, I would say out of peer schools in the area, St. John's is right in the middle relating to job prospects and prestige. No, it is not as high as Fordham, Brooklyn, or Cardozo, but it is ahead of Hofstra, Touro, CUNY, and NYLS.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby dirtrida2 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:57 am

ruralaw wrote:
dirtrida2 wrote:
ruralaw wrote:
blacklawboss wrote:Run away! SJ is heading into a dark place. Job placement is abysmal!


Doesn't seem more abysmal than most other schools similarly ranked.



This is the NY market we are talking about...

Not only do you have competition from the peer schools like Touro, Hofstra, Brooklyn, and Cardozo - you also have competition from Columbia, NYU, Cornell, and Fordham.

Remember, I am only listing NY schools here - think about all the T14 grads that come to the city for their legal careers.



I agree that the New York market is saturated; however, this is nothing new. The post stating that St. John's is "heading for an abysmal place" implied that this is new news. The job prospects and competition are about the same as they have been for years.

Also, I would say out of peer schools in the area, St. John's is right in the middle relating to job prospects and prestige. No, it is not as high as Fordham, Brooklyn, or Cardozo, but it is ahead of Hofstra, Touro, CUNY, and NYLS.



And all this would be fine if 1. tuition and col wasn't so expensive and 2. they didn't section stack or have top 40% stips on their scholarships.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby ruralaw » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:12 am

COL is same for all of these schools. Tuition does seem to be a bit higher at St. John's than most others though. Not sure about stips at other schools.

So you think you are attending? I saw you got a full ride.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby dirtrida2 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:38 am

ruralaw wrote:COL is same for all of these schools. Tuition does seem to be a bit higher at St. John's than most others though. Not sure about stips at other schools.

So you think you are attending? I saw you got a full ride.


Exactly, NY is very expensive - another reason why the debt + mediocre salary is even scarier.

Unfortunately, I don't like to attend schools that refuse to negotiate their highly competitive stips. If they are willing to pit their "esteemed" scholarship students against each-other, what does that say about how they value you - outside your money.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby elliejoon » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:51 am

Declining in a couple of days when I get home from my vacation... hopefully they redistribute my scholarship money to some of you guys! (: best of luck to those still waiting to hear back.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby Ms. B » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:22 pm

dirtrida2 wrote:
pwnyc127 wrote:
babyxballerina wrote:Hey. Anyone able to negotiate for a better stip or no stip?


They refuse to negotiate on stips. I tried.


If thats the case, then avoid at all costs. Any school that runs on a 40% stip should get a taste of their own medicine.

High stips and section stacking - they just want their money (not that all schools don't - but much more so than others).


I really don't think they section stack for what its worth. I outright asked my admissions counselor while visiting the school and she very definitively said it does not happen. I know better schools tend to not have such tight stips so I guess that is a little suspect, but, assuming there's no further manipulation, a 40% stip doesn't sound too illogical to me....After all, if they are investing in you, I imagine the school would expect you to do your part.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby dirtrida2 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:26 pm

Ms. B wrote:
dirtrida2 wrote:
pwnyc127 wrote:
babyxballerina wrote:Hey. Anyone able to negotiate for a better stip or no stip?


They refuse to negotiate on stips. I tried.


If thats the case, then avoid at all costs. Any school that runs on a 40% stip should get a taste of their own medicine.

High stips and section stacking - they just want their money (not that all schools don't - but much more so than others).


I really don't think they section stack for what its worth. I outright asked my admissions counselor while visiting the school and she very definitively said it does not happen. I know better schools tend to not have such tight stips so I guess that is a little suspect, but, assuming there's no further manipulation, a 40% stip doesn't sound too illogical to me....After all, if they are investing in you, I imagine the school would expect you to do your part.



Only a few schools have 40% stipulations - they are mainly TTTT with poor employment prospects. They use these high stips so they can give out more scholarship money to try and lure you in - knowing that they will get most of it back the 2nd and 3rd years.

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby babyxballerina » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:51 pm

dirtrida2 wrote:
Ms. B wrote:
dirtrida2 wrote:
pwnyc127 wrote:
They refuse to negotiate on stips. I tried.


If thats the case, then avoid at all costs. Any school that runs on a 40% stip should get a taste of their own medicine.

High stips and section stacking - they just want their money (not that all schools don't - but much more so than others).


I really don't think they section stack for what its worth. I outright asked my admissions counselor while visiting the school and she very definitively said it does not happen. I know better schools tend to not have such tight stips so I guess that is a little suspect, but, assuming there's no further manipulation, a 40% stip doesn't sound too illogical to me....After all, if they are investing in you, I imagine the school would expect you to do your part.



Only a few schools have 40% stipulations - they are mainly TTTT with poor employment prospects. They use these high stips so they can give out more scholarship money to try and lure you in - knowing that they will get most of it back the 2nd and 3rd years.


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^ If over 50% of first year students are given scholarships and you have to remain in top 40% to keep 100% of it, doesn't it guarantee that some people HAVE to lose their scholarship?

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Re: St. John's U c/o 2016 (2012-2013)

Postby Ms. B » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:14 pm

babyxballerina wrote:
dirtrida2 wrote:
Ms. B wrote:
dirtrida2 wrote:
If thats the case, then avoid at all costs. Any school that runs on a 40% stip should get a taste of their own medicine.

High stips and section stacking - they just want their money (not that all schools don't - but much more so than others).


I really don't think they section stack for what its worth. I outright asked my admissions counselor while visiting the school and she very definitively said it does not happen. I know better schools tend to not have such tight stips so I guess that is a little suspect, but, assuming there's no further manipulation, a 40% stip doesn't sound too illogical to me....After all, if they are investing in you, I imagine the school would expect you to do your part.



Only a few schools have 40% stipulations - they are mainly TTTT with poor employment prospects. They use these high stips so they can give out more scholarship money to try and lure you in - knowing that they will get most of it back the 2nd and 3rd years.


--LinkRemoved--

^ If over 50% of first year students are given scholarships and you have to remain in top 40% to keep 100% of it, doesn't it guarantee that some people HAVE to lose their scholarship?


Yeah, I'm sure the stips are meant to promote competition. However, I would be willing to bet that the 10% that loses it probably doesn't work as hard as the other 40%. I guess my point is, how much of it is their fault if you find yourself outside of that bracket? I know law school is supposed to be hard and unpredictable going in, but isn't it ultimately a matter of how well YOU adapt to it? Also-- I don't think a connection exists between stipulation and employment in SJU's case. Has anyone seen the 2011 ABA employment stats? They're extremely comparable with BLS and Cardozo and those schools both have much more relaxed stips. Sorry if I'm running this subject into the gorund, just trying to make my decision as objectively as possible.




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