SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby kalvano » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:30 pm

Just so you guys know, they don't do full rides except for Sumners Scholars. I thing he most they do for non-Sumners is like $36K a year.

At least historically. It's all kinds of crazy this year.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby JXander » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:28 pm

kalvano wrote:Just so you guys know, they don't do full rides except for Sumners Scholars. I thing he most they do for non-Sumners is like $36K a year.

At least historically. It's all kinds of crazy this year.

Good to know, thanks. Do you know how many Scholars do they typically accept a year?

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby kalvano » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:19 am

JXander wrote:
kalvano wrote:Just so you guys know, they don't do full rides except for Sumners Scholars. I thing he most they do for non-Sumners is like $36K a year.

At least historically. It's all kinds of crazy this year.

Good to know, thanks. Do you know how many Scholars do they typically accept a year?


Maybe 4 or 5? Not a lot. It's a big deal to go through to get it. Interviews and all.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby JXander » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:58 am

kalvano wrote:Maybe 4 or 5? Not a lot.

That's what I thought. My Moot Court partner got it in undergrad along with four others from my school.
It's a big deal to go through to get it. Interviews and all.

Ah, yes. I expect the process will be similar to what I went through two years ago when I applied (the application forms are nearly identical). The interview was pretty scary.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby patricksouthern » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:16 pm

In via phone call this afternoon. Said scholarship information will be released late this month.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Stephie248 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:13 pm

For everyone that's been accepted so far - did you apply FT or PT? I applied for PT on 10/30 and haven't heard anything... 164/3.12

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby sydnieshimkus » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:19 pm

I applied early November for SMU and still haven't heard back... should I be worried? Online my status still says application complete. Is there anything I should do to contact them?

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Postby swilson215 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:22 pm

kalvano is an invaluable resource, FYI, but I wanted to check in, too. SMU 2L here. Non-Texan, 2 years between undergrad and law school. Involved in all sorts of crap on campus. Let me know if you have any additional questions or want additional answers to questions y'all have already asked.

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Postby swilson215 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:25 pm

Also, the Dallas Bar Association gives a full-ride to SMU called the Sarah T. Hughes Diversity Scholarship. Info here, deadline to apply is Feb. 15.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby swilson215 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:28 pm

ALSO: to the poster taking the February LSAT and applying afterward -- they'll accept your application no problem, but if you're a borderline candidate you're far less likely to get in than if you apply at the very beginning of your cycle. Take that with a grain of salt, but if you apply around and are disappointed in your cycle, it might be worth it to wait and re-take the LSAT (if needed) then re-apply in October or November of 2013 for the following year. I did this, and it made a huge difference in my cycle.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Burgstaller04 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:11 pm

swilson215 wrote:ALSO: to the poster taking the February LSAT and applying afterward -- they'll accept your application no problem, but if you're a borderline candidate you're far less likely to get in than if you apply at the very beginning of your cycle. Take that with a grain of salt, but if you apply around and are disappointed in your cycle, it might be worth it to wait and re-take the LSAT (if needed) then re-apply in October or November of 2013 for the following year. I did this, and it made a huge difference in my cycle.


Usually I'm not a patient person, but when patience can save you thousands of dollars or get you into the school you want...it might be considered a virtue

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:29 pm

Some of you might consider this a negative, but I feel it's a positive. Either way, the Dean has been fired from SMU law, effective in May.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby StylinNProfilin » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:42 pm

kalvano wrote:Some of you might consider this a negative, but I feel it's a positive. Either way, the Dean has been fired from SMU law, effective in May.


Was the dean pretty disliked by most students? Reason behind the firing?

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Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:54 pm

StylinNProfilin wrote:
kalvano wrote:Some of you might consider this a negative, but I feel it's a positive. Either way, the Dean has been fired from SMU law, effective in May.


Was the dean pretty disliked by most students? Reason behind the firing?


I don't care for him, and I know several people that don't either. I'm sure plenty liked him, but he lives in the past, when SMU dominated the Dallas market. Every speech he gives he compares SMU to Harvard, and talks about Fortune 50 CEO's from SMU Law compared to Harvard Business School. He compares the rigor of SMU's curriculum to Harvard's, which is a joke. He's proud about the 1L schedule being overpacked and difficult, with graded legal writing. He talks incessantly about the Prime Minister of India being an SMU Law grad.

But funnily enough, I never hear much about his plans for the future, about securing jobs for grads, or anything remotely useful.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby StylinNProfilin » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:45 pm

kalvano wrote:
StylinNProfilin wrote:
kalvano wrote:Some of you might consider this a negative, but I feel it's a positive. Either way, the Dean has been fired from SMU law, effective in May.


Was the dean pretty disliked by most students? Reason behind the firing?


I don't care for him, and I know several people that don't either. I'm sure plenty liked him, but he lives in the past, when SMU dominated the Dallas market. Every speech he gives he compares SMU to Harvard, and talks about Fortune 50 CEO's from SMU Law compared to Harvard Business School. He compares the rigor of SMU's curriculum to Harvard's, which is a joke. He's proud about the 1L schedule being overpacked and difficult, with graded legal writing. He talks incessantly about the Prime Minister of India being an SMU Law grad.

But funnily enough, I never hear much about his plans for the future, about securing jobs for grads, or anything remotely useful.


Sounds like quite the shitboomer!

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Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:14 pm

Despite himself, he has managed to assemble quite a good faculty.

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Postby JXander » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:20 pm

kalvano wrote:Some of you might consider this a negative, but I feel it's a positive. Either way, the Dean has been fired from SMU law, effective in May.


This article explains what happened.

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Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:08 pm

JXander wrote:
kalvano wrote:Some of you might consider this a negative, but I feel it's a positive. Either way, the Dean has been fired from SMU law, effective in May.


This article explains what happened.



Summary? You have to subscribe to read the article.

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Postby JXander » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:43 pm

kalvano wrote:
JXander wrote:
kalvano wrote:Some of you might consider this a negative, but I feel it's a positive. Either way, the Dean has been fired from SMU law, effective in May.


This article explains what happened.



Summary? You have to subscribe to read the article.

Really? That's odd; I found it via Google News.

SMU provost said Attanasio's contract with the school would not be renewed after its expiration in May. Both Attanasio and those responsible for his removal would not comment on the issue. The article quotes several prominent alumni and their mixed feelings about his removal.

So the article basically does not explain what happened... Though it does quote the provost saying:
Paul Ludden wrote:...it is now time for another individual to take on the leadership of the law school at SMU and to provide leadership for the challenge necessary in the current climate of legal education.

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Postby KingsCup » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:49 pm

seems as though the school wanted someone new while the alumni, at least according to the article, seem pretty unhappy with it

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:51 pm

Most of the alumni are probably pre-2006 grads who still think SMU places 50% of the class at Baker Botts.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby KingsCup » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:53 pm

kalvano wrote:Most of the alumni are probably pre-2006 grads who still think SMU places 50% of the class at Baker Botts.


A lot of alumni that signed the letter pissed about it were high powered people, definitely older. Something else in the article says how the dean compared SMU to Harvard, talking about its older graduates and the heights attained by them. But nothing about employment or anything to improve the school


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DallasNews wrote:Southern Methodist University leaders have taken steps to remove John Attanasio as dean of the Dedman School of Law.

SMU provost Paul Ludden informed Attanasio in mid-December that his contract with the university, which expires in May, would not be renewed, and that the university was taking immediate steps to find a successor, according to alumni and internal SMU documents.

In a Dec. 12 internal memo, Ludden told Attanasio that “it is now time for another individual to take on the leadership of the law school at SMU and to provide leadership for the challenge necessary in the current climate of legal education.”

Attanasio declined to comment. In response to inquiries sent to Ludden and SMU President R. Gerald Turner, SMU spokesman Kent Best said that “SMU does not comment on personnel matters.”

Ludden announced his decision to Dedman faculty and staff in a Jan. 3 memo. A public announcement of the decision is expected next week.

Early word of the decision produced a significant backlash from alumni, faculty, financial supporters and the law school’s executive committee, whose members say they were not informed of the decision in advance.

“I think everyone is stunned and upset,” says Darrell Jordan, a partner at the Dykema law firm in Dallas and a major SMU supporter. “No one — not the provost nor the president — has given us a reasonable explanation about why this has happened.”

Fifty-six prominent alumni, including two former Texas Supreme Court judges, a federal judge, a former federal bankruptcy judge, the current U.S. attorney and the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, have signed a letter to Turner supporting Attanasio and asking him to reconsider.

Leslie Ware, a member of the Dedman Law School executive board, resigned over not being informed of the decision, which she says is wrong. Ware is a Dallas intellectual property lawyer who donated $1 million to the law school in December.

“I am saddened to see my alma mater treat Dean Attanasio this way and will not have my name associated with it,” Ware wrote in a resignation letter to Turner on Jan. 3.

In addition, law school faculty members signed a letter to SMU leadership supporting Attanasio.

“I think everyone has been surprised and disappointed,” says Alan Feld, a named partner at Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld and the chairman of the law school’s executive board. “There is a great deal of support for the dean among our alumni.”

U.S. District Judge Barbara Lynn, who sits on the executive board and has taught and lectured at the law school, says she was stunned by the news.

“I have a very high opinion of dean Attanasio and I am very disappointed that he will not continue to be the dean of our law school,” says Lynn.

A 1979 graduate of the New York University School of Law, Attanasio also holds an advanced master’s degree in law from Yale University.

He became SMU’s law dean in 1998 and is the Judge William Hawley Atwell Chair of Constitutional Law.

He has developed a global reputation for working with emerging democracies on developing their own constitutions.

According to SMU faculty members, alumni and memos obtained by The Texas Lawbook, Ludden asked Attanasio at a Dec. 12 lunch to agree publicly not seek a contract extension, to support a change in leadership and to craft the public announcement. The same day, Ludden put his decision in writing.

Attanasio, in a memo dated Jan. 2, rejected Ludden’s offer.

“I expressed shock and asked you for reasons for your decision three times,” Attanasio states in the memo. “I would have thought that especially in these changing times in legal education … the law school would need an experienced, proven dean.”

During the Christmas holiday, news about the decision circulated quickly among alumni. On Dec. 28, 56 law school supporters signed a two-page letter to Turner stating the decision “would be very detrimental” to the law school and the university.

The letter highlights the successes of the law school during Attanasio’s tenure, including significantly higher LSAT scores and GPAs of applicants, significantly increased fundraising, reopening of the night law school program and raising the profile of the law school globally.

In a letter dated Jan. 2, Turner agreed to meet with the members of the law school’s executive board, but he said the decision by the provost was final.

Mike Boone, a named partner at Haynes and Boone and a member of the SMU Board of Trustees, says he’s in “100 percent support of the decision of the university.”

“The provost, in my conversations with him, went through a vigorous review, and I’m confident that he followed a reasonable process,” says Boone, an early supporter of Attanasio. “I’m focused on the future, creating the search team and selecting the new dean.” Boone describes the provost’s actions as “very courageous.”

AT&T general counsel Wayne Watts, who is a close friend of Attanasio and a major supporter of the SMU Dedman Law School, says he was surprised by the news.

“No one called me and asked for my advice,” says Watts. “But the university has made its decision. We are going to find a new dean who can move the school forward.”

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:58 pm

I can tell you he gives the same speech at everything. My dad went to an SMU alumni gathering and Attanasio gave the exact same speech he's given 3-4 times to us.

I don't want to hear about how great SMU has been in the past. I care about the future.

Also, fuck these alumni who care so much about the school but don't participate in OCI or hire SMU grads.

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby KingsCup » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:19 pm

kalvano wrote:I can tell you he gives the same speech at everything. My dad went to an SMU alumni gathering and Attanasio gave the exact same speech he's given 3-4 times to us.

I don't want to hear about how great SMU has been in the past. I care about the future.

Also, fuck these alumni who care so much about the school but don't participate in OCI or hire SMU grads.


does OCI not have many of the big firms or what? I was under the impression that SMU was very "not what you know, but who you know" in terms of getting jobs

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Re: SMU c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:42 pm

There's actually a lot of big firms, especially relative to SMU's rank, but some of the alumni in that aricle that say they support SMU are at firms that don't come to OCI.




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