University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:54 pm

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tch562 wrote:So, how do you tell the Dean Weiser that you love the school, but that you're gonna need more money to accept without sounding entitled (which I'm NOT nor do I feel i am), sleazy, or like you're begging? I keep getting emails and calls from professors and student leaders, and now the Dean saying how they really would like me to go there, but I'm not sure I can turn down a full-ride (though the school isn't similarly ranked). Any suggestions?


real talk: you have a 160 and a 2.7. even if you are a URM, it sounds incredibly entitled to think that you should be able to just call up a school and expect them to offer them more $ for you. Go to the school that gives you the best career options or is located where you want to work. There are lots of people who clearly came to CU because it was either the highest ranked school or offered them the most money, and I don't think many of these people are happy. I came to CU because I wanted to come to CU, and I love it here and everything has worked out great for me.

If you care, here is what I"d recommend. Hold off on requesting a bigger scholarship. Go to an Accepted students day. I'm not sure if they offer to pay for travel for certain applicants -- they didn't for me. After your ASD, email and tell them how you really, really enjoyed the visit and really liked the school, but you are facing a difficult choice because of a full scholarship offer from another school. I think if you come at them from this angle, it might come off sounding a lot better than just calling up and demanding more money (or you will go somewhere else). Also, an extra benefit is that maybe you'll get to Boulder and realize you either love it or hate it, and this could make any decision you ultimately have to make a little easier.

Edit: I just looked a little more at your profile. If the choice you're struggling to make is between a full ride at MSU and a partial scholarship at CU, I think you're not basing your decision on the right factors. MSU and CU are NOT going to place you outside of their immediate geographic area (unless you're in the top 5-20% and are lucky enough to get hired by the small number of national firms that interview at CU). I grew up in northern Ohio, know the area, etc. I now live in Boulder. These two places (the economy, the people, the type of things people do for fun, the culture, etc.) are ENTIRELY different, like night and day. I would encourage you to look beyond money/ranking and consider other factors as well. Going to CU or MSU for free will still be a shitty decision if you can't get (1) the type of job you want in (2) the region that you want.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... aw_Schools

If you look at this ^^, you will see that both MSU and CU placed FIVE (5) graduate in NLJ 250 firms (read: 5 people *potentially* left the area). Now, there are going to be others who leave the geographic area due to personal connections, federal government work, or sheer dedication to finding work outside of the Mountain West, but you should go to a school like CU or MSU under the assumption that your marketability (and potential to obtain post-graduation employment) will be greatest in your immediate geographic region.

Oh, and on a personal note, I would rather set my money on fire than willingly live in East Lansing/Michigan generally.


I agree with pretty much all of this. Go to a school you want to go to in an area you want to be in. You only live once and there is more to life than money. Also solid advice on attending the ASW.

On a completely unrelated side-note regarding the link you posted, the NLJ go-to law school thing pretty much sucks. Not only does it skew towards areas with larger firms, but it is filled with inaccuracies. You can plainly see from CU's ABA data that at least 8 students were in NLJ 250 firms in 2011 instead of the 3 we were credited with last year, as there were 8 graduates in firms of 250+ and the 250th firm in the NLJ 250 only has 160 graduates... This came up at a CSO meeting a few weeks ago and they seemed to think we had 13, but I don't know how they arrived at that number of five for 2012. Again this is all irrelevant to choosing between MSU and CU as you probably won't end up at these firms from either school, but the lack of fact checking from the national law journal is pretty shocking, and the fact that the "go-to" list has been trumped up on TLS as much as it has deserves some review.
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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby the lantern » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:56 pm

If you look at the NLJ's bullshit "go to law schools" list (and the factors they considered to make that list), you can see how much their information should be trusted. Regardless, I think the pie chart presentation and how easy you can see the difference between, for example, Harvard, Fordham, CU, and Thomas Cooley is helpful, and is probably mostly accurate.

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:59 pm

the lantern wrote:If you look at the NLJ's bullshit "go to law schools" list (and the factors they considered to make that list), you can see how much their information should be trusted. Regardless, I think the pie chart presentation and how easy you can see the difference between, for example, Harvard, Fordham, CU, and Thomas Cooley is helpful, and is probably mostly accurate.


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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby biznardos » Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:08 pm

sorry for the delay.

complete 1/7
UR 1/10
decision 3/1

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby espressocream » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:23 pm

Anyone going to the "diverse student visitation" part of the ASW?

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby arch9216 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:02 pm

So I got in on Friday (163, 3.59, URM, complete 1/14, ur 1/17, Colorado resident). It says in the acceptance letter that I will automatically be considered for a merit scholarship, but every other acceptance that I have received had my scholarship offer with the acceptance letter. Is CU different on this aspect from most other schools? Or if they were going to offer me any money, would it have come with the acceptance?

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby LeDique » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:07 pm

CU has always done scholarships separately, or at least did in the past.

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby md22 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:08 pm

We need some movement up in hurrr!

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby jmorrisumn » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:51 pm

In via email today.

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:58 pm

jmorrisumn wrote:In via email today.


Congrats.

I see from your profile that you want to do a joint-degree. Are you hoping to stay in Minnesota? I'm sure you'll get into UMN with your GPA and respectable LSAT.

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby hopelessoptimist » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:31 pm

In via email just now, but withdrawing. Good luck to those still waiting!

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby md22 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:19 pm

Congrats!! When did you two apply?

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby hopelessoptimist » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:21 pm

I applied 1/23 and went under review the next day. Good luck!

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby WDH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:53 pm

Looks like they are grabbing some high GPA's right now.

I'm a traditional splitter and haven't heard since being under review 12/31...

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby md22 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:12 pm

I'm pretty sure my application got lost in the Rockies or something. UR as of 1/4, no word since. I have a pretty high LSDAS GPA as well. Maybe they went out for a good time in downtown Denver one night and my application ended up like Doug from The Hangover...

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby espressocream » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:53 pm

md22 wrote:I'm pretty sure my application got lost in the Rockies or something. UR as of 1/4, no word since. I have a pretty high LSDAS GPA as well. Maybe they went out for a good time in downtown Denver one night and my application ended up like Doug from The Hangover...


I had been UR since November and only recently heard back. I wouldn't worry too much.

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby GiffMan12 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:57 pm

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby ManoftheHour » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:57 pm

Anyone get their scholly info yet?

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby jtruj011 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:45 am

I was accepted 3/1 via email and got the letter 3/5.
3.23/161 URM
I also got in to DU with $26k a year scholarship so I'm having a tough time making a decision, I haven't gotten any scholarship info from CU yet. I'm from California and I am really interested in living and working in Colorado so these schools are at the top of my list. If I don't get offered a scholarship from CU should I still consider attending? I think I would really like living in boulder. I am planning on going into environmental law.

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby ALgooner » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:25 pm

Accepted via email!

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby md22 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:31 pm

ALgooner wrote:Accepted via email!


Congrats! I hope today might be the day for me as well!

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby MeowMix11 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:46 pm

md22 wrote:
ALgooner wrote:Accepted via email!


Congrats! I hope today might be the day for me as well!


ahhh me too!!! When did you guys go u/r?

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby md22 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:27 pm

MeowMix11 wrote:
md22 wrote:
ALgooner wrote:Accepted via email!


Congrats! I hope today might be the day for me as well!


ahhh me too!!! When did you guys go u/r?


I've been UR since 1/4...reaaaaaally hoping today is the day!

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby the lantern » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:46 pm

jtruj011 wrote:I was accepted 3/1 via email and got the letter 3/5.
3.23/161 URM
I also got in to DU with $26k a year scholarship so I'm having a tough time making a decision, I haven't gotten any scholarship info from CU yet. I'm from California and I am really interested in living and working in Colorado so these schools are at the top of my list. If I don't get offered a scholarship from CU should I still consider attending? I think I would really like living in boulder. I am planning on going into environmental law.


I'm not sure if that makes DU cheaper than CU (cost of living is definitely cheaper in Denver but DU is definitely more expensive). I would encourage you to talk to DU students though. My impression is that employment outcomes aren't that different coming out of CU and DU, but I also believe that I'm only interacting with the good DU students (i.e. the ones who go to networking events and get jobs at the same places I do).

DU is right in Denver and has a big advantage as far as location and alumni. DU has many more alums because their classes are bigger and more of them tend to stay around here.

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Re: University of Colorado c/o 2016 (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby wannabelawstudent » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:32 pm

Hmmm...just got my waitlist e-mail. Strange timing




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