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Postby shntn » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:08 pm

alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Uh, so why doesn't WUSTL publish salary info?

Y so srs? Just go with it.

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Postby SteelPenguin » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:04 am

alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Uh, so why doesn't WUSTL publish salary info?


Fordham doesn't easier, claiming they don't want to compete with other law schools lying. How rare is this practice?

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Postby DoveBodyWash » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:21 am

SteelPenguin wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Uh, so why doesn't WUSTL publish salary info?


Fordham doesn't easier, claiming they don't want to compete with other law schools lying. How rare is this practice?


Very few T30 schools have published salary info...I'm sure it's partly because some of the numbers would discourage 0L's....but also because none of their peers do. Imagine how it would look if Emory or BU published less-than-impressive salary numbers and no one else published anything at all. Minus the "honorable-ness" of being transparent, 0L's would be scared off by it. When there is no data, they assume that it's okay or that they'll be okay (dat special snowflake)...when there is data...well it becomes a little harder to rationalize that you'll end up okay.

ETA: I'm so bummed that I"m not at ASW....hope everyone has fun though, friends don't let friends drink and TLS

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Postby sublime » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:33 am

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Postby wannabelawstudent » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:43 am

cusenation wrote:
SteelPenguin wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Uh, so why doesn't WUSTL publish salary info?
Fordham doesn't easier, claiming they don't want to compete with other law schools lying. How rare is this practice?


Very few T30 schools have published salary info...I'm sure it's partly because some of the numbers would discourage 0L's....but also because none of their peers do. Imagine how it would look if Emory or BU published less-than-impressive salary numbers and no one else published anything at all. Minus the "honorable-ness" of being transparent, 0L's would be scared off by it. When there is no data, they assume that it's okay or that they'll be okay (dat special snowflake)...when there is data...well it becomes a little harder to rationalize that you'll end up okay.

ETA: I'm so bummed that I"m not at ASW....hope everyone has fun though, friends don't let friends drink and TLS[/quote]I don't need this right now. Ive read way too many "law school is a scam" stuff in the past 24 hours. Someone please find me another career path please.

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Re: Eternal, Never Off the First Page, WUSTL is the Best Thread.

Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:49 am

cusenation wrote:
SteelPenguin wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Uh, so why doesn't WUSTL publish salary info?


Fordham doesn't easier, claiming they don't want to compete with other law schools lying. How rare is this practice?


Very few T30 schools have published salary info...I'm sure it's partly because some of the numbers would discourage 0L's....but also because none of their peers do. Imagine how it would look if Emory or BU published less-than-impressive salary numbers and no one else published anything at all. Minus the "honorable-ness" of being transparent, 0L's would be scared off by it. When there is no data, they assume that it's okay or that they'll be okay (dat special snowflake)...when there is data...well it becomes a little harder to rationalize that you'll end up okay.

ETA: I'm so bummed that I"m not at ASW....hope everyone has fun though, friends don't let friends drink and TLS


Actually, a lot of the T30 do publish salary info. While the numbers reported drop off markedly after UCLA/Vandy/USC, there tends to at least be 33+% of the class reporting salary info. Based on this year's rankings, here are the schools that report and the percentage of private practice grads who report their salary (I'm using c/o 2011 LST numbers just because I don't have the time to check every school's website):

UCLA - 82%
Vanderbilt - 79%
USC - 75%
UMN - 45%
WUSTL - doesn't report
GWU - 52%
Alabama - doesn't report
Emory - doesn't report
Notre Dame - doesn't report
IUB - 51%
Iowa - 80%
W&L - 71%
U Washington - doesn't report
ASU - doesn't report
BU - doesn't report
BC - 70%

So it's about a 50/50 split between those who do and those who don't report salary statistics within the T15-30. It doesn't seem like Minnesota or GWU, WUSTL's closest peers, have any problems attracting students even with their less-than-stellar salary info. And if students were actually looking at that information, they'd be flocking to BC in droves with its impressive $145,000 starting median for private practice.

Given that salary reporting isn't universal, and that some of the schools who report are admittedly reporting only a partial picture, it's understandable why they wouldn't publish salaries. But it's really frustrating when trying to make a good, well reasoned analysis of the costs and benefits of my options. If anything, this could be hurting WUSTL, since now I can only assume that large firm gigs are well paying and can't make many assumptions about the rest.

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Re: Eternal, Never Off the First Page, WUSTL is the Best Thread.

Postby Xs20 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:01 am

I've always thought of median salary data as a misleading and useless metric anyway because of the bimodal distribution (unless it's broken up into public vs. private, which not all schools do). Also, if reporting is self-selected and not random, then what do I care what a statistically insignificant sample of a class's salary was? Doesn't tell you anything, IMO.
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Postby TatteredDignity » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:03 am

I'll be around school today, I'll be wearing a blue kansas jayhawks T shirt (the only one, i can guarantee you) if anyone wants to say hi.

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Re: Eternal, Never Off the First Page, WUSTL is the Best Thread.

Postby Xs20 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:11 am

alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Given that salary reporting isn't universal, and that some of the schools who report are admittedly reporting only a partial picture, it's understandable why they wouldn't publish salaries. But it's really frustrating when trying to make a good, well reasoned analysis of the costs and benefits of my options.

Basically my point

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Postby wannabelawstudent » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:19 am

omg new lst score reports. wustl is up, legal economy is booming, life is good.

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Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:22 pm

Xs20 wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Given that salary reporting isn't universal, and that some of the schools who report are admittedly reporting only a partial picture, it's understandable why they wouldn't publish salaries. But it's really frustrating when trying to make a good, well reasoned analysis of the costs and benefits of my options.

Basically my point

True, and usually the differences that are apparent in salaries are reflected in the size of hiring firms, but sometimes salary info is illuminating just for the shock value. Like when people hype up Iowa and W&L for being in the top 30

Iowa:

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W&L:

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and for comparison, the lower ranked BC:

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Of course, schools like Minnesota and GWU use incomplete statistics to make their outcomes seem better than they really are. I really hate how lax the reporting standards are.

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Re: Eternal, Never Off the First Page, WUSTL is the Best Thread.

Postby wannabelawstudent » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:26 pm

wtf there's no way that's W&L's numbers....

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Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:27 pm

wannabelawstudent wrote:wtf there's no way that's W&L's numbers....

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school= ... class=2011


The original post was shntn edited because I accidentally but BC's numbers in for W&L.

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Postby wannabelawstudent » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:29 pm

alwayssunnyinfl wrote:
wannabelawstudent wrote:wtf there's no way that's W&L's numbers....

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school= ... class=2011


The original post was shntn edited because I accidentally but BC's numbers in for W&L.

Oh ok, yeah, I saw it when BC's numbers were labeled W&L and about to go off about how misreporting like that should be punishable by jail time.

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Re: Eternal, Never Off the First Page, WUSTL is the Best Thread.

Postby wannabelawstudent » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:48 pm

Why are those losers at ASD not posting anything.

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Postby NIUmelk » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:53 pm

Anyone see any status checker movement today?

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Postby DoveBodyWash » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:02 pm

wannabelawstudent wrote:Why are those losers at ASD not posting anything.


They're too hungover

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Postby wannabelawstudent » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:03 pm

Dear Lord,

Please give me a significant scholarship increase today.

Thank you,

Wannabe

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Postby Rory19 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:04 pm

cusenation wrote:
wannabelawstudent wrote:Why are those losers at ASD not posting anything.


They're too hungover


I woke up this morning, logged-in to TLS and the first thought I had was "I bet the WUSTLers are so hung over" and I went straight here.

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Re: Eternal, Never Off the First Page, WUSTL is the Best Thread.

Postby Presidentjlh » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:12 pm

wannabelawstudent wrote:Dear Lord,

Please give me a significant scholarship increase today.

Thank you,

Wannabe


I pray this with you as well, also for myself, lol.

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Postby Xs20 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:16 pm

wannabelawstudent wrote:Dear Lord,

Please give me a significant scholarship increase today.

Thank you,

Wannabe

All of the admissions people will be busy running ASD all day today (runs until 5) so I probably wouldn't expect much movement on the scholly or decision fronts today

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Postby gatorgirl2012 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:16 pm

Going to church in a bit to rid myself of whatever bad juju is raining WLs on me.... Legit.

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Re: Eternal, Never Off the First Page, WUSTL is the Best Thread.

Postby wannabelawstudent » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:20 pm

Xs20 wrote:
wannabelawstudent wrote:Dear Lord,

Please give me a significant scholarship increase today.

Thank you,

Wannabe

All of the admissions people will be busy running ASD all day today (runs until 5) so I probably wouldn't expect much movement on the scholly or decision fronts today

Nah I still think the WL and rejection pile comes out today. In all likelihood a lot of stuff has probably already been decided it's just a matter of telling us.

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Postby MarkinKansasCity » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:02 pm

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Postby MarkinKansasCity » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:06 pm

cusenation wrote:
wannabelawstudent wrote:Why are those losers at ASD not posting anything.


They're too hungover


TITCR

Those assholes only gave me one sandwich for lunch. I'm sooooooooo hungry.




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