WUSTL c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013) Forum

[shntn]

Can someone explain what happened to Fordham and UIUC. I'm genuinely curious...

UIUC's still in freefall from their Dean of Admissions lying about their LSAT scores. The drop from 168 to 163 really had an effect. Then the reputational fallout kicked in this year. And of course, after the severe drop in the rankings, they're going to have a hard time attracting decent students. From the LSN graph this year, looks like their medians might drop even more.

And Fordham? Pretty alarming

And unsurprising. They had all their eggs in literally one basket, the NYC market.

[JayJones78]

Can someone explain what happened to Fordham and UIUC. I'm genuinely curious...

UIUC's still in freefall from their Dean of Admissions lying about their LSAT scores. The drop from 168 to 163 really had an effect. Then the reputational fallout kicked in this year. And of course, after the severe drop in the rankings, they're going to have a hard time attracting decent students. From the LSN graph this year, looks like their medians might drop even more.

And Fordham? Pretty alarming

And unsurprising. They had all their eggs in literally one basket, the NYC market.

That's also why I think that for those who have their eyes set on NYC biglaw the drop doesn't matter as much because Fordham will still give them a better shot at NYC biglaw than many other school who are ranked higher.

[RedGiant]

Can someone explain what happened to Fordham and UIUC. I'm genuinely curious...

UIUC's still in freefall from their Dean of Admissions lying about their LSAT scores. The drop from 168 to 163 really had an effect. Then the reputational fallout kicked in this year. And of course, after the severe drop in the rankings, they're going to have a hard time attracting decent students. From the LSN graph this year, looks like their medians might drop even more.

And Fordham? Pretty alarming

And unsurprising. They had all their eggs in literally one basket, the NYC market.

Good thing I got into Fordham this AM. And Ive already worked in NY biglaw, so more of what I ran from years ago does not sound appealing. Fordham to London big law.... That lights me up! But I still really wish WUSTL would gimme some love. I mean money. Money. Yeah, money.

[DoveBodyWash]

Can someone explain what happened to Fordham and UIUC. I'm genuinely curious...

UIUC's still in freefall from their Dean of Admissions lying about their LSAT scores. The drop from 168 to 163 really had an effect. Then the reputational fallout kicked in this year. And of course, after the severe drop in the rankings, they're going to have a hard time attracting decent students. From the LSN graph this year, looks like their medians might drop even more.

And Fordham? Pretty alarming

And unsurprising. They had all their eggs in literally one basket, the NYC market.

MOAR BASKETS

[wannabelawstudent]

You guys are completely wrong, fordham dropped cause dingbat left.

[JayJones78]

You guys are completely wrong, fordham dropped cause dingbat left.

Where did she go?

[shntn]

You guys are completely wrong, fordham dropped cause dingbat left.

Where did she go?

She had bigger and better things.

[DoveBodyWash]

Perusing the trial program kool-aid that WUSTL sent out last night or something when ...

The Jessup International Law Moot Court Competition is the
largest moot court competition in the world. Nearly 600 law
schools representing over 100 countries participate each year.
Written and oral arguments are presented to a simulated
International Court of Justice, the UN body which hears disputes
between sovereign states......WULAW has advanced to the International Rounds seven of the
last thirteen years; it and Harvard Law School are the only two
schools in the United States to share this distinction.

dat internaTTTional law

[westphiladelphia]

Perusing the trial program kool-aid that WUSTL sent out last night or something when ...

The Jessup International Law Moot Court Competition is the
largest moot court competition in the world. Nearly 600 law
schools representing over 100 countries participate each year.
Written and oral arguments are presented to a simulated
International Court of Justice, the UN body which hears disputes
between sovereign states......WULAW has advanced to the International Rounds seven of the
last thirteen years; it and Harvard Law School are the only two
schools in the United States to share this distinction.

dat internaTTTional law

set to the tune of Pit Bull's "International Love."

no, but seriously -- what is all of this WUSTL + "International Law" all about? Do they just seem to have an extraordinarily high number of people working in international corporate law?

international law ain't no real thang, ladies!

fun fact though: WUSTL has two alums in General Counsel positions with MLB Teams (Oakland A's and St. Louis Cardinals). connecTTTions.

[JesusChrist]

Anyone going to the event/coffee meetup in SF this Thursday? It's sorta late notice and I just took time off but we'll see.

[snapdragon25]

Also, 10 people in federal clerkships?? Impressive

[DoveBodyWash]

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[DoveBodyWash]

Re: Fin Aid letters

Dear friends, do not sign and turn in your award letters ASAP. Wait. The deadline isn't until July. Wait until you finish your negotiations. Also, once you start to accept loan amounts, minimize Grad PLUS loans if you have the luxury of reducing your funding. Those have the highest interest rate.

[westphiladelphia]

no, but seriously -- what is all of this WUSTL + "International Law" all about? Do they just seem to have an extraordinarily high number of people working in international corporate law?

international law ain't no real thang, ladies!

lol i mean i think international law is right after IP law as far as meaningless specialty fields that schools love to brag about. But in general it has a lot do with faculty. Rankings, both specialty and general, are primarily driven by faculty reputation. Michael Peil is a big name as far as international law, particularly for European. "International opportunities" in Asia is disproportionately influenced by lay-prestige.

FWIW re: Asia. I was a summer clerk (the undergrad version of a summer associate) at what is basically Korea's Cravath. Since foreign firms weren't allowed into Korea until two years ago, any American-educated attorneys needed to be hired by one of the Korean firms, and not just placed at a branch office of a US-based firm. A huge chunk of their hiring was targeted towards American-educated/BigLaw associates. But a lot of it was driven by lay-prestige. WUSTL was just one of those schools that benefited from having good lay-presTTTige.

"Insert university with national/international brand here is a top undergrad university that our young students gun for..therefore its law school must be good as well."

It's sort of true for Hong Kong as well, but to a lesser extent since a lot of US/UK firms have offices in HK, so their hiring is likely similar to the the U.S. model.


EDIT: just got my financial aid award letter from WUSTL. Dat tuition..

Alright, alright I gotcha -- interesting to know!

And yeah, got the letter too -- grad PLUS all up in my business. (hopefully can lower that...)

[JesusChrist]

Just got the financial aid letter. Does anyone else think that 23k is a very large allowance for living expenses?

[wannabelawstudent]

Just got the financial aid letter. Does anyone else think that 23k is a very large allowance for living expenses?

Every school tends to overestimate living expenses. I guess its a better safe than sorry type thing.

[DoveBodyWash]

Just got the financial aid letter. Does anyone else think that 23k is a very large allowance for living expenses?

Just from apartment-hunting for the past week i can tell you that it's probably excessive. If you include furniture/utilities, annual rent hovers between 8000-10,000. And then we get a free metroPass so transportation is covered (assuming you're not bringing a car). You could easily comfortably get by with less than 23k.

[JCougar]

Just got the financial aid letter. Does anyone else think that 23k is a very large allowance for living expenses?

I take out less than half of that and make it work.

[JayJones78]

Someone in the Fordham thread is now considering going to Bama over Fordham because of the rise of Alabama and the decline of Fordham when their objective is living and working in NYC.
God help me.

[DoveBodyWash]

Someone in the Fordham thread is now considering going to Bama over Fordham because of the rise of Alabama and the decline of Fordham when their objective is living and working in NYC.
God help me.

LOL i saw that

[shntn]

Just got the financial aid letter. Does anyone else think that 23k is a very large allowance for living expenses?

I take out less than half of that and make it work.

Oh wow. That's actually really useful to know. Fewer loans FTW!

[shntn]

Someone in the Fordham thread is now considering going to Bama over Fordham because of the rise of Alabama and the decline of Fordham when their objective is living and working in NYC.
God help me.

LOL i saw that

Humanity...sometimes, I just don't know about you.

[DoveBodyWash]

Someone in the Fordham thread is now considering going to Bama over Fordham because of the rise of Alabama and the decline of Fordham when their objective is living and working in NYC.
God help me.

LOL i saw that

Humanity...sometimes, I just don't know about you.

Tell them to peruse firm websites and look at their OCI schedules. They won't find a single NYC firm that has 'Bama on their recruiting calendar.

[danitt]

Someone in the Fordham thread is now considering going to Bama over Fordham because of the rise of Alabama and the decline of Fordham when their objective is living and working in NYC.

Oh Jesus Christ!

[JayJones78]

Someone in the Fordham thread is now considering going to Bama over Fordham because of the rise of Alabama and the decline of Fordham when their objective is living and working in NYC.

Oh Jesus Christ!

I mean, he/she got an almost full ride to Bama, which is great. And I really don't think Fordham at sticker should be recommended (although I may have to face a decision if to take it if they take me off their WL) but why the hell this is even a credited connection.
If you want to live and work in NYC, and sure of it why the hell would you even consider Bama? Do you think hiring partners from midtown cares about it's wonderful rise in the rankings? Or they are going to get on the firm's privet jet and fly to Birmingham (I assume that's where the campus is ) to hand pick Bama students? I'm pretty baffled.