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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby JayJones78 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:52 pm

wvuchip wrote:
presh wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:I hope they will either stay or go up. That said, I'm not going to make my decision based on the new rankings. They will change 3 more times by the time we graduate


As an alum and based on the rankings methodology, I would be shocked if W&L went up and mildly surprised if they stayed at 24. My advice is to treat W&L as a low 20s-high 30s school.

I definitely think 25-30 is the most comfortable area for W&L, not that any of that range makes much of a difference.


True. Unless the skyrocket to 19 or 20 being 24 or 27 is all the same

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby Homelandsagreatshow » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:58 pm

Okay, seriously is W&L in serious contention to be ranked T-20 this year? It would absolutely destroy my little faith in the rankings if this occured

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby JayJones78 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:02 pm

Homelandsagreatshow wrote:Okay, seriously is W&L in serious contention to be ranked T-20 this year? It would absolutely destroy my little faith in the rankings if this occured


Why?

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby lhanvt13 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:46 am

Anyone living in nova who has w&l as a serious contender wanna meet up?

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby talesofyore » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:35 pm

Does anyone know what's up with the US News Report statistic that says employed at graduation is 27.9%?

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby lhanvt13 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:06 pm

talesofyore wrote:Does anyone know what's up with the US News Report statistic that says employed at graduation is 27.9%?

Jesus Christ that's low :/

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby 2012Lsatscore » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:08 pm

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby talesofyore » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:13 pm

2012Lsatscore wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:
talesofyore wrote:Does anyone know what's up with the US News Report statistic that says employed at graduation is 27.9%?

Jesus Christ that's low :/



I'm hoping it's a situation where they didn't turn in something or the other by the deadline for it to be incorporated. :?

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby JayJones78 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:21 pm

talesofyore wrote:
2012Lsatscore wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:
talesofyore wrote:Does anyone know what's up with the US News Report statistic that says employed at graduation is 27.9%?

Jesus Christ that's low :/



I'm hoping it's a situation where they didn't turn in something or the other by the deadline for it to be incorporated. :?


+1....

What was it last year?

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby talesofyore » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:22 pm

I don't remember, but it couldn't have been this low or I'm sure one of us on here would have noticed it.

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby lhanvt13 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:25 pm

JayJones78 wrote:+1....

What was it last year?

http://web.archive.org/web/201206091219 ... -law-03163

When they still counted pt and whatnot jobs

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby talesofyore » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:27 pm

lhanvt13 wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:+1....

What was it last year?

http://web.archive.org/web/201206091219 ... -law-03163

When they still counted pt and whatnot jobs


89.4% to 27.9% is quite a drop regardless. I'm still holding out hope that part of the story is missing.

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby wannabelawstudent » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:30 pm

lhanvt13 wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:+1....

What was it last year?

http://web.archive.org/web/201206091219 ... -law-03163

When they still counted pt and whatnot jobs

That's a different kind of measure so its not fair to compare(i.e. burger king flipper counts as employed). Using the NALP reports it was around ~55% for the last few years. What's more shocking is that W&L is friggin tiny....that 30% is like 40 people Max.

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby JayJones78 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:35 pm

wannabelawstudent wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:+1....

What was it last year?

http://web.archive.org/web/201206091219 ... -law-03163

When they still counted pt and whatnot jobs

That's a different kind of measure so its not fair to compare(i.e. burger king flipper counts as employed). Using the NALP reports it was around ~55% for the last few years. What's more shocking is that W&L is friggin tiny....that 30% is like 40 people Max.


I wrote in a PM that I don't think that it matters much because the way I see it in order to do well past graduation you need to be in the top 20% in any LS in the t30. In that case, you will be fine regardless if its W&L or W&M. If you fall below 30 or 40 percent almost no statistics will save you. If you choose to go to a school below t14 you have to come in open eyes that you MUST do everything to graduate in the top 20% or else bad things will happen. I'm not saying it's easy or attainable to eveyone, but that it's the reality. If you're not there it really doesn't matter what the employment statistics are. Just my 2c

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby lhanvt13 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:37 pm

wannabelawstudent wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:+1....

What was it last year?

http://web.archive.org/web/201206091219 ... -law-03163

When they still counted pt and whatnot jobs

That's a different kind of measure so its not fair to compare(i.e. burger king flipper counts as employed). Using the NALP reports it was around ~55% for the last few years. What's more shocking is that W&L is friggin tiny....that 30% is like 40 people Max.

Ah true should have looked at the NALP. I wonder why it's so low.. Talked to a bunch of 3Ls with jobs lined up. A decent amount of 1Ls with summer lined up and whatnot :/ I guess they were very selective for their ASW .

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby Dream Weave » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:37 pm

talesofyore wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:+1....

What was it last year?

http://web.archive.org/web/201206091219 ... -law-03163

When they still counted pt and whatnot jobs


89.4% to 27.9% is quite a drop regardless. I'm still holding out hope that part of the story is missing.


Bob morse explains W & L and UCLA specifically in his bloomberg interview at 9:30 in the video. He said the published rates are only for jobs where jd bar passage is required or at least an advantage. He said nothing to believe though that anything that was reported was inaccurate. He said that he only reported these jobs because "he thought these are the jobs that students want." FYI, UCLA was only in the 40th percentile for their employments stats.
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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby lhanvt13 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:38 pm

JayJones78 wrote:
I wrote in a PM that I don't think that it matters much because the way I see it in order to do well past graduation you need to be in the top 20% in any LS in the t30. In that case, you will be fine regardless if its W&L or W&M. If you fall below 30 or 40 percent almost no statistics will save you. If you choose to go to a school below t14 you have to come in open eyes that you MUST do everything to graduate in the top 20% or else bad things will happen. I'm not saying it's easy or attainable to eveyone, but that it's the reality. If you're not there it really doesn't matter what the employment statistics are. Just my 2c

+1

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby talesofyore » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:42 pm

JayJones78 wrote:
wannabelawstudent wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:+1....

What was it last year?

http://web.archive.org/web/201206091219 ... -law-03163

When they still counted pt and whatnot jobs

That's a different kind of measure so its not fair to compare(i.e. burger king flipper counts as employed). Using the NALP reports it was around ~55% for the last few years. What's more shocking is that W&L is friggin tiny....that 30% is like 40 people Max.


I wrote in a PM that I don't think that it matters much because the way I see it in order to do well past graduation you need to be in the top 20% in any LS in the t30. In that case, you will be fine regardless if its W&L or W&M. If you fall below 30 or 40 percent almost no statistics will save you. If you choose to go to a school below t14 you have to come in open eyes that you MUST do everything to graduate in the top 20% or else bad things will happen. I'm not saying it's easy or attainable to eveyone, but that it's the reality. If you're not there it really doesn't matter what the employment statistics are. Just my 2c


Very true. But high numbers do make great eye candy!! :lol:

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby 2012Lsatscore » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:48 pm

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby JayJones78 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:53 pm

2012Lsatscore wrote:
talesofyore wrote:Very true. But high numbers do make great eye candy!! :lol:


Very true, especially when choosing between schools.


I think that when choosing in the t20s (i.e 20-32 or so) you have the "luxury" to pick based on first of all region and than second of all fit. I honestly don't think that your job prospects will be different going out of a school that is 23, 26 or 31. It's all the same. You gotta work and work hard trying to secure a place in the top 20% (again, really not saying it's easy to do what so ever or that everyone who will work hard will get there) and then you will find a job in that region or maybe beyond it (i.e NYC biglaw out of W&L or other similarly ranked schools in the east coast) if you're a good interviewer and can bring good things to the table together with your grades. By luxury I mean that because you assume that in order to secure yourself a job you'd have to rank high in the class you can look at things differently. That's why I'm not so alarmed by them dripping two spots and by the difference between them and W&M in jobs.

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby wannabelawstudent » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:01 am

Dream Weave wrote:Bob morse explains W & L and UCLA specifically in his bloomberg interview at 9:30 in the video. He said the published rates are only for jobs where jd bar passage is required or at least an advantage. He said nothing to believe though that anything that was reported was inaccurate. He said that he only reported these jobs because "he thought these are the jobs that students want." FYI, UCLA was only in the 40th percentile for their employments stats.

Another thing to note, the rate is by graduation. Not the six or nine month period.

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

Postby JayJones78 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:02 am

wannabelawstudent wrote:
Dream Weave wrote:Bob morse explains W & L and UCLA specifically in his bloomberg interview at 9:30 in the video. He said the published rates are only for jobs where jd bar passage is required or at least an advantage. He said nothing to believe though that anything that was reported was inaccurate. He said that he only reported these jobs because "he thought these are the jobs that students want." FYI, UCLA was only in the 40th percentile for their employments stats.

Another thing to note, the rate is by graduation. Not the six or nine month period.


+1
Also can someone post a link to that interview?
Thanks!

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Re: W&L c/o 2016

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