Notre Dame Class of 2016 Applicants Forum

[wannabelawstudent]

Nah just Emory or ND if you want Boston.

[Homelandsagreatshow]

Notre Dame. I forget what question you asked, but the answer is Notre Dame. Did you know they have a 10% Federal Clerkship rate?

[DoveBodyWash]

I mentioned that before reading TLS, I hadnt heard of Emory (not to say bad school, just not a nationally branded school).

lay prestige is not the same thing as law school brand power among legal employers

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[DoveBodyWash]

Yes, ND probably has more "reach" than the schools you mentioned, especially in NYC, but the way I look at it is, if you want to work in Boston, you are better at BC/BU, NYC? Then go to Fordham? DC? GO to GWU, etc. Their clerkship number is nice, but it certainly does not make up for having to employ more than 1 in 5 or its graduates to keep the unemployment rate respectable to people who don't look at the numbers in detail.

Anyone know why the numbers jumped from around 20% school funded to almost none in just one year? Is LST off?! Something's not right here...

No idea, but for c/o 2011, USNWR lists:

Graduates employed in law school/university funded positions at graduation 39.5%

Graduates employed in law school/university funded positions 9 months after graduation 22.6%


Does seem strange. First instinct is gaming the numbers, but I have nothing to support that. Those numbers are HUGE though for c/o 2011

Was the class size significantly shrink or something?

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[ManoftheHour]

Yes, ND probably has more "reach" than the schools you mentioned, especially in NYC, but the way I look at it is, if you want to work in Boston, you are better at BC/BU, NYC? Then go to Fordham? DC? GO to GWU, etc. Their clerkship number is nice, but it certainly does not make up for having to employ more than 1 in 5 or its graduates to keep the unemployment rate respectable to people who don't look at the numbers in detail.

Anyone know why the numbers jumped from around 20% school funded to almost none in just one year? Is LST off?! Something's not right here...

No idea, but for c/o 2011, USNWR lists:

Graduates employed in law school/university funded positions at graduation 39.5%

Graduates employed in law school/university funded positions 9 months after graduation 22.6%


Does seem strange. First instinct is gaming the numbers, but I have nothing to support that. Those numbers are HUGE though for c/o 2011

That's what I thought. The fact that it went from 22.6% to 2% in just one year is rather strange. It would make sense if the class of 2011 just generally struck out and the university hired them to game their numbers. Maybe it wasn't the case for the class of 2012? From what I've heard, this school is incredibly rich. I suppose they could afford to shell out money to hire their own grads for that year to ensure no drop in their ranking.

[deuceindc]

No idea, but for c/o 2011, USNWR lists:

Graduates employed in law school/university funded positions at graduation 39.5%

Graduates employed in law school/university funded positions 9 months after graduation 22.6%


Does seem strange. First instinct is gaming the numbers, but I have nothing to support that. Those numbers are HUGE though for c/o 2011

That's what I thought. The fact that it went from 22.6% to 2% in just one year is rather strange. It would make sense if the class of 2011 just generally struck out and the university hired them to game their numbers. Maybe it wasn't the case for the class of 2012? From what I've heard, this school is incredibly rich. I suppose they could afford to shell out money to hire their own grads for that year to ensure no drop in their ranking.

One of ND's placement programs pays recent grads a living stipend while they intern/volunteer in the region that they're trying to work in, for up to 7 months (IIRC) to network and get a full-time job. The 17% drop could be those grads who managed to network their way into paying jobs (which is a lot, honestly, so hopefully that means the program works) or they re-classified some of them into gov't or whatever field they intern in.

I would also guess that the 20% drop in school-funded positions is just the numbers from that program being reclassified into the respective field in which the students are interning, or into the unemployed number - the latter would require a striking amount of honesty from a law school.

I'm just spit-balling, though; this could be way off.

[Grazzhoppa]

So I was at ASW this weekend and this question came up. Basically since then ND has hired a whole new CDO. The CDO director said they didn't do the right things in 2011 (before he arrived to the school) and that in 2012 only 3 students were in school funded positions. He was a no bullshit kind of guy.

[matrim]

So I was at ASW this weekend and this question came up. Basically since then ND has hired a whole new CDO. The CDO director said they didn't do the right things in 2011 (before he arrived to the school) and that in 2012 only 3 students were in school funded positions. He was a no bullshit kind of guy.

How was it at ASW? Lots of people? Things you like the most?

[Grazzhoppa]

ASW was awesome. The students and faculty were all really impressive and welcoming. The facilities were amazing. Prospective students were very nice as well with lots of different experiences. The school clearly draws students from all over the country. I highly recommend attending next weekend if you can make the trip. The career development office's presentation was probably my favorite event, but overall I left extremely impressed.

[ndirish2010]

The new CDO is FAR better than what we had when I was a 1L....I'm not sure how much it helps, but they are definitely more competent.

[CMHCLT]

Got a good vibe from the school. moved from "Eh" to top choice after an informal visit. wish I had more money offered, though. sounds like class sizes are shrinking for the first time in history = +!. also the new CSO is impressive and encouraging as they are undergoing their second year. seems like a good time to be headed to South Bend.

[matrim]

Got a good vibe from the school. moved from "Eh" to top choice after an informal visit. wish I had more money offered, though. sounds like class sizes are shrinking for the first time in history = +!. also the new CSO is impressive and encouraging as they are undergoing their second year. seems like a good time to be headed to South Bend.

Yeah, no lie, I did a visit when I was in the area, and was blown away by the campus, faculty, admin, and my escort student. Was actually surprised how much I loved it.

[ndirish2010]

Just curious, what did they say they were dropping class size to?

[CMHCLT]

Just curious, what did they say they were dropping class size to?

Anecdotal:they're expecting about 160, was told

[rmp]

Opinions please: ND at sticker or a different top 50 school in Cali with tuition fully paid? Plan to practice in California also. The different is approx 45k/year and about 20-30 places in ranking.

[nsideirish]

Opinions please: ND at sticker or a different top 50 school in Cali with tuition fully paid? Plan to practice in California also. The different is approx 45k/year and about 20-30 places in ranking.

I wouldn't do ND at sticker under any circumstances...but coupled with the fact that you want to practice in Cali, absolutely do not do it.

And this is coming from someone who loves ND.

[ndirish2010]

Just curious, what did they say they were dropping class size to?

Anecdotal:they're expecting about 160, was told

That will help us quite a bit. I think the school is definitely moving in the right direction.

Opinions please: ND at sticker or a different top 50 school in Cali with tuition fully paid? Plan to practice in California also. The different is approx 45k/year and about 20-30 places in ranking.

Retake.

[Jonathk1]

Is there a FB group yet for c/o 2016?

[PRgradBYU]

Just withdrew. Good luck everyone!

[Grazzhoppa]

Is there a FB group yet for c/o 2016?

Yes. Search "NDLS Admitted Students Class of 2016"

[Jonathk1]

Can you pull the link for me? Can't seem to find it on FB.

[Grazzhoppa]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/501822149879652/

[gatorgirl2012]

Fellow WLers, I would like to point out that LSN's ND profile shows a disproportionate amount of recent withdraws compared to users that have accepted! Of course there are a lot that haven't disclosed their decision, but still, this makes me a little hopeful! Has anyone contacted Notre Dame recently about WL procedures?