BigZuck wrote:Sunny, why do you see that as crass? I wouldn't phrase it that directly but I think it's ok to basically say that because that's just business. People do that when buying goods and services all the time.
Also these schools lie to applicants and admits all the time, particularly when it comes to job prospects (even now in the era of things like LST). Even t14 schools do it. Personally I'm not worried about being crass and saying they need to do better considering how they treat prospective students.
I would probably feel differently if I were in a position to get a much better deal from a peer school, but in all reality I probably won't unless WUSTL goes crazy this year with scholarship money. But most likely, Minnesota will be the best school in the best city with the best scholarship offer that I'll have (barring a miracle with NU) so instead of being able to use another school as leverage, my bargaining position will be more absolute. My personal limit is the $20.5k limit before having to take out PLUS loans. Any cost more than that, and I'd be tempted to just sit this year out, work, and reapply next year.
And what I said about being crass; I think we need to remember that the narrative we hear from internet blogs is very negative and also narrow in scope. Yes, the numbers are pretty damning in some ways, and yes the schools are a business, but Minnesota (ETA: and schools like it) is not some "festering TTT" that swindles its students, at least that's not how the admissions office sees reality. I'd say go into the negotiating process with these things in mind, and know your position relative to the school, but be careful not to let that animosity spill over into your correspondances with the school. Come off as well-informed but not jaded.