Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby elterrible78 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:23 am

Hey guys.

Some of you may have seen some stats-based stuff I have been posting in other forums. I have been working a lot on it, trying to kill time while application decisions trickle in. Most of the stuff I did over the last couple days was based on the last cycle, or the last two cycles. I've started to put together individual school analysis based on ALL the available data on LSN now, so I'll post them to the corresponding school's threads. This would probably have been more useful/interesting for people a few months ago, but what the heck.

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This table is based on logistical regression analysis of data from Law School Numbers. It includes all accepted and rejected applicants from the 2003/4 cycle up until the present (2012/2013) cycle. It does not include waitlisted applicants (unless they indicated that they had been ultimately accepted or rejected). Please keep in mind the nature of the data when interpreting these results.

Also, keep in mind that this analysis is based only on the outcomes for the indicated school’s applicant pool compared to each other, and does not necessarily mean that “numbers aren’t important” to any particular school.

Eventually, once I've slogged through everything, I'll compile lists and, where they'd be helpful, charts comparing data across schools. I'm no stats expert, but I picked up some stuff in grad school, and I enjoy it.
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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Yukos » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:25 am

860% :shock:

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby TripTrip » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:28 am

ssanonymous wrote:
ManOfTheMinute wrote:
ssanonymous wrote:
ManOfTheMinute wrote:Looks like we're due a lot of rejections this week... or next at the latest. SOOOO exciting.


You know which day they handed those bad boys out last year?


It got sent out in the mail on Monday February 6th, so people started receiving them on 2/7.

Given this, I guess Asha will start dinging on 2/4 (or 2/11 at the latest)


Thanks for the info. I thought applicants got rejected via email.

Damn. I wish it was via email.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby elterrible78 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:32 am

Yukos wrote:860% :shock:


I know it seems high, but it's actually on the low end. Part of it is accounted for by the fact that there is limited data. Even a school like Georgetown only has 6400 or so observations on LSN. But think about it this way....that is 860% holding everything equal. So, while we can definitely imagine a URM candidate with a 164 and a 3.7 getting in (though I suspect most still wouldn't), how much more likely is that than a non-URM with the same stats getting in?

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby ssanonymous » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:09 am

but but but the email says....:

Because all members of our faculty review applications, our review process naturally takes longer than that of most schools. The majority of our decisions are made in February, March, and April. Applicants to whom offers of admission are extended will be contacted by post, e-mail, and telephone. Applicants who are denied admission will be contacted by post and e-mail. We ask that you please do not contact the Admissions Office to inquire about the status of your application; frequent phone and e-mail inquiries delay consideration of applications.


Dear YLS,

Please do all your dirty work via email. I don't want to have to compulsively check my mailbox to see if I got a sad, sad letter from you. It's too cold out, and ain't nobody got time for that.

Xoxo,
Future Auto-Ding

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:15 am

ssanonymous wrote:but but but the email says....:

Because all members of our faculty review applications, our review process naturally takes longer than that of most schools. The majority of our decisions are made in February, March, and April. Applicants to whom offers of admission are extended will be contacted by post, e-mail, and telephone. Applicants who are denied admission will be contacted by post and e-mail. We ask that you please do not contact the Admissions Office to inquire about the status of your application; frequent phone and e-mail inquiries delay consideration of applications.


Dear YLS,

Please do all your dirty work via email. I don't want to have to compulsively check my mailbox to see if I got a sad, sad letter from you. It's too cold out, and ain't nobody got time for that.

Xoxo,
Future Auto-Ding


I really hope they don't notify by post first and then by email - you know, just in case you forgot. The use of email seems to be new this cycle, but last cycle it appeared that people found out by finding a letter in their mailbox (at least the feb dings).

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby ssanonymous » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:17 am

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
ssanonymous wrote:but but but the email says....:

Because all members of our faculty review applications, our review process naturally takes longer than that of most schools. The majority of our decisions are made in February, March, and April. Applicants to whom offers of admission are extended will be contacted by post, e-mail, and telephone. Applicants who are denied admission will be contacted by post and e-mail. We ask that you please do not contact the Admissions Office to inquire about the status of your application; frequent phone and e-mail inquiries delay consideration of applications.


Dear YLS,

Please do all your dirty work via email. I don't want to have to compulsively check my mailbox to see if I got a sad, sad letter from you. It's too cold out, and ain't nobody got time for that.

Xoxo,
Future Auto-Ding


I really hope they don't notify by post first and then by email - you know, just in case you forgot. The use of email seems to be new this cycle, but last cycle it appeared that people found out by finding a letter in their mailbox (at least the feb dings).


Yeah, I saw that. I think SLS and CLS send out paper mail rejections too. I don't get why email isn't the go-to for rejections. An actual letter doesn't make it feel any less painful, and using all that paper is bad for the environment. Let's go green, YLS.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby callmemaybe84 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:39 pm

At what point do we give up hope as an early November applicant? The available sats are so few and far between it's hard to judge. Gotta let my dream school go, it appears.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby TripTrip » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:10 pm

callmemaybe84 wrote:At what point do we give up hope as an early November applicant?

When you get the ding.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby az21833 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:31 pm

when is yls going to start accepting more than like 10 kids? its february now

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Yukos » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:40 pm

az21833 wrote:when is yls going to start accepting more than like 10 kids? its february now


The other side of the coin of "it doesn't matter if you apply late" is "acceptance decisions will trickle out until April." I'm trying to be blase about Yale and just think "if it happens, great" without obsessing over every new wave of acceptance (I'm not fully succeeding though...)

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby ssanonymous » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:49 pm

callmemaybe84 wrote:At what point do we give up hope as an early November applicant? The available sats are so few and far between it's hard to judge. Gotta let my dream school go, it appears.


http://mylsn.info/whenwilliknow.php - Don't know how to save the graph, but it looks like those who applied in Nov got acceptances in Dec and Jan. The majority of Nov applicants were rejected in Feb. That's depressing.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby sabanist » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:04 pm

ssanonymous wrote:
callmemaybe84 wrote:At what point do we give up hope as an early November applicant? The available sats are so few and far between it's hard to judge. Gotta let my dream school go, it appears.


http://mylsn.info/whenwilliknow.php - Don't know how to save the graph, but it looks like those who applied in Nov got acceptances in Dec and Jan. The majority of Nov applicants were rejected in Feb. That's depressing.

:cry:
if it must come, I hope death comes swiftly. I'm looking forward to getting my heart set on a sure thing.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby ssanonymous » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:32 pm

sabanist wrote:
ssanonymous wrote:
callmemaybe84 wrote:At what point do we give up hope as an early November applicant? The available sats are so few and far between it's hard to judge. Gotta let my dream school go, it appears.


http://mylsn.info/whenwilliknow.php - Don't know how to save the graph, but it looks like those who applied in Nov got acceptances in Dec and Jan. The majority of Nov applicants were rejected in Feb. That's depressing.

:cry:
if it must come, I hope death comes swiftly. I'm looking forward to getting my heart set on a sure thing.


I say the same, but I'm still terrified to check my mailbox these days. Next week is going to be awful.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby housebro13 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:11 pm

Looks like that just leaves you Yale. Please don't mess up what has been an amazing cycle for me.

So rejections are due this week or next week?

Edit: So next week it is. Ah well, lets just get this over with lol

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby hopeful16 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:59 pm

In at Yale!! I got the call about an hour ago and I submitted December 2nd. Good luck to those still waiting!

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Yukos » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:00 pm

hopeful16 wrote:In at Yale!! I got the call about an hour ago and I submitted December 2nd. Good luck to those still waiting!


Congrats! Looks like decisions are continuing to trickle out.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby ssanonymous » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:53 pm

hopeful16 wrote:In at Yale!! I got the call about an hour ago and I submitted December 2nd. Good luck to those still waiting!


Congrats!!!!

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby housebro13 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:58 pm

hopeful16 wrote:In at Yale!! I got the call about an hour ago and I submitted December 2nd. Good luck to those still waiting!


Congrats!!!

I submitted a day before so I should hear back soon.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby test » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:15 am

Whatever I'll check in instead of never posting and just reading. I applied around thanksgiving.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby hopeful16 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:03 am

thanks guys!

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby dcg2120 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:05 am

hopeful16 wrote:In at Yale!! I got the call about an hour ago and I submitted December 2nd. Good luck to those still waiting!

Way to go!

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Postby vman21 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:07 am

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby vzapana » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:47 pm

Have you guys looked at this chart? I found it on the LSAC website, and I think it's fascinating. It's the breakdown of apps sent to Yale by numerical profile.

http://www.lsac.org/officialguide-2013/lsac_3987.asp (at the bottom)

According to the chart, every admit has a GPA above 3.5 (assuming that the applicant's UG reports a GPA). This is the breakdown of admitted students, by LSAT score, for admitted students with GPAs:

155-159: 3 admitted / 138 applicants with GPA 3.5+ = 2.2%
160-164: 10 admitted / 262 applicants "" = 3.8%
165-169: 32 admitted / 543 applicants "" = 5.9%
170-174: 140 admitted / 838 applicants "" = 16.7%
175-180: 116 admitted / 339 applicants "" = 34.2%

For admits without a GPA, the lowest LSAT they got was at least 165.

Breakdown by GPA:
3.75+ : 270 admitted / 1368 applicants with 155+ LSAT = 17.9%
3.5 - 3.74: 30 admitted / 614 applicants with 155+ LSAT = 4.9%
No GPA: 3 admitted / 65 applicants with 165+ LSAT = 4.6%

It's also clear that the applicant pool is extremely self-selecting: 48% of applicants have a GPA of 3.75 or more.

Also note that 23% of applicants have an LSAT score lower than 155.
A similar percentage -- 28% -- of applicants have a GPA lower than 3.5.
In total, 1,176 applicants (37%) have a GPA less than 3.5, an LSAT lower than 155 or both. Another 32 applicants (1%) don't have a GPA and have an LSAT score between 155 and 164. If the chart is correct, these applicants will not get admitted. So less than 2/3 of applicants have a viable chance of getting admitted.

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Re: Yale c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby sabanist » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:55 pm

Wow, thanks vzapana. That's really interesting. I'd love to see a more detailed breakdown of the GPA/LSAT combos' chances, since 3.75+ is a pretty broad brush, but the statistics are still pretty helpful. Thank you for sharing!




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