Uschoolqb10 wrote: scottyc66 wrote:
Uschoolqb10 wrote:I took a tour of UM law today. Emily Horowitz and Daniel Diaz were very helpful and answered every question asked. They were unbelievably passionate about UM and showed how the reputation and prestige of the school isn't simply regional, but somewhat national too. If you really want to do well with your legal career and learn the law, I think Miami is a great spot.
I also spoke with Therese Lambert in the admissions department. She was VERY helpful. She listened to my situation regarding where I am thinking of attending and she was truly caring and tried to advise me as my mother would. She understood that I have been admitted to Miami with no scholarship money and agreed/advised me that I am still making a good decision if I weren't to attend UM and instead attend FIU, or another school with a decent reputation and low cost. She also wanted to clarify that despite the rumors on this board, UM doesn't section stack (put all of the scholarship students in one section). She claimed that section stacking is just plain wrong in an ethical sense and that no matter the distribution of students in each section, students will either lose or keep their scholarship. According to her, if a student doesnt make the 3.2 GPA, they can appeal the revoking of the $$$. She seemed passionate about the strict 3.2 GPA scholarship stipulation, however. She said that she loves the top-third stipulations because if you are offered a scholarship for your first year, you should be intelligent enough and work hard enough to keep it for the following year. She also said a great thing about the scholarship program is that the students who don't maintain a 3.2 GPA, inevitably lose their scholarship, wherein the funds could then be given to students who did well their 1L year who were never initially offered a scholarship going into law school (like myself).
To sum up, the law school seemed very close-knit in the sense of its community and the alumni network appears to be strong, no matter where you plan to practice. I love the campus, the feel, the education, and the administration. I'm very happy I took this tour today. Emily, Daniel, and Therese make it easy to want to be a Cane.
People like you are the reason why schools like Miami, TTT, and TTTT schools are still allowed to exist and function the way they do. If you go to Miami at sticker you'll have debt close to $200k and a job that doesn't give you the opportunity to repay that type of debt.
That's not true at all. Everyone here assumes that if someone goes to a school like Miami at sticker, they will be an average student with no legitimate job prospects following graduation. That's not always the case everyone! Two of my high school teammates want to UM Law and both have jobs paying around 90K to start and full benefits. One had a decent scholarship and one didn't have any scholarship up until his third year. They both accumulated roughly 100k in debt, but are both living perfectly fine. They aren't the prototypical rich lawyer, but they love what they do and are financially stable for now. By the time they are 30-35 years old, they will be doing very well financially, most likely living the life most aspiring attorneys dream of.
What is wrong with living that life? Making 90K a year as a starting salary at decent firms, paying back loans for a little while, and enjoying their occupation. They were average students at Miami and haven't had problems yet. I agree that people shouldn't go to a TTTT school under most to any circumstances, but going to a school like University of Miami will be fine. So it's people like you who turn young adults away from CHASING THEIR DREAMS of becoming an attorney because unless its HYS, it isn't worth it
. Shut up and let people have aspirations. Nothing is wrong with getting a JD from UM an working hard to enjoy success.
1. No one said that unless it's HYS it's not worth it. I don't go to HYS and have been fine so far. Stop projecting your own opinion on what's actually being said. You're seeing facts that aren't there and refusing to look at the facts that directly contradict everything you're saying.
2. No one is assuming that everyone attending UM at sticker will be average...the odds are just against you. Don't get mad at us...be mad at UM for attaching ridiculous stipulations to their scholarships.
3. I agree that everyone should have dreams and goals, but it doesn't make sense to get so hung up on a dream that you sacrifice everything if the odds are stacked against you AND you run the risk of ruining the rest of your life (at potentially you family members' lives) because of insurmountable debt. It's important to be realistic (Example: I wanted to be a unicorn when I was a kid. I grew up and realized that it's not possible, so I got over it and picked something else.).
I'm not speaking for myself, but on behalf of the other prospective students in these forums. I'm perfectly fine with my situation. I am grateful to have strong options in regards to where I plan to attend law school. I also have a job with a family friend lined up for me following graduation. I'm going to work hard, as I have always done and I know I will do well with what's ahead of me. I just think it's sort of heartless how many of the "t14 or bust-ers" on this forum are condescending to many of the other members. Many people strive to go to law school and work hard (maybe even put themselves in a bind for a while) to achieve their goals. It just sucks that many people on this forum comment and respond to others with such condescending negativity. It's very common that graduates of TTT and even TTTT schools become successful, not only in their practice, but also financially - my boss for example, a graduate of Stetson Law and is now making 200K+ per year as a criminal defense attorney. It took him a while and a lot of struggle to get to where he is. But does he regret it? Of course not.
I understand it is smarter to look at your JD education from the perspective of an investor. I completely understand that and agree with many for the most part. But I also agree with people having faith and taking on future struggles to live out their dream. What's wrong with that?
My original intent was to tell others my opinion of UM Law. I won't be attending UM simply because I don't want to take on that much debt, as I feel I will be given the same opportunities graduating from schools where I wil accrue much less debt. I do believe that if you do well at Miami and take advantage of the privileges offered, no matter what, success will come.
4. Not sure why you're speaking on behalf of UM applicants since you're not planning on attending and aren't concerned about getting a job after graduation (unlike the vast majority of law students)
5.You're situation is different. You have a job lined up, which is why you can spout the Disney-ending bullshit that you're spewing all over this thread and actually believe it. Not everyone has what you have and at least half of all JD graduates end up unemployed. I didn't make that up, those are stats.
6. No one is being condescending.I have friends in non-T-14 schools who are extremely intelligent and who I have the utmost respect for. I also have friends who didn't attend T-14 despite being admitted and opted for a lower ranked school. The ONLY reason why T-14 (often) matters is because most employers care about law school rankings. If you're pissed about that, then call or email every big law firm and prestigious judge in the country and nicely ask them to stop being so condescending to students who don't attend a T-14 school.
7. Feelings and personal beliefs have nothing to do with graduating free of soul crushing debt...or with anything else that could potentially be useful. It's
impossible to take you seriously when you substitute actual empirical data with your own personal feelings and beliefs.