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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby dproduct » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:55 pm

anteater1 wrote:Lol @ me being 1 of 2 yellows at 167


Maybe they just need more time to draft your named scholarship?

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby Dream Weave » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:06 pm

dproduct wrote:
anteater1 wrote:Lol @ me being 1 of 2 yellows at 167


Maybe they just need more time to draft your named scholarship?



Yeah the fact that you were waitlisted with your numbers, but accepted at so many other great schools is bizarre.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby anteater1 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:09 pm

Dream Weave wrote:
dproduct wrote:
anteater1 wrote:Lol @ me being 1 of 2 yellows at 167


Maybe they just need more time to draft your named scholarship?



Yeah the fact that you were waitlisted with your numbers, but accepted at so many other great schools is bizarre.


I'm thinking now maybe it has something to do with me applying for the PSS. I noticed a date change early feb after they would've gotten my PSS app...

Who knows maybe I'm just over thinking it.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby dproduct » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:19 pm

anteater1 wrote:
Dream Weave wrote:
dproduct wrote:
anteater1 wrote:Lol @ me being 1 of 2 yellows at 167


Maybe they just need more time to draft your named scholarship?



Yeah the fact that you were waitlisted with your numbers, but accepted at so many other great schools is bizarre.


I'm thinking now maybe it has something to do with me applying for the PSS. I noticed a date change early feb after they would've gotten my PSS app...

Who knows maybe I'm just over thinking it.


Ant, I would definitely schedule a meeting with someone from admissions when you visit. I tend to think your WL was on the edge of YP and a visit meeting could easily change your WL into an acceptance with $$$.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby anteater1 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:25 pm

dproduct wrote:Ant, I would definitely schedule a meeting with someone from admissions when you visit. I tend to think your WL was on the edge of YP and a visit meeting could easily change your WL into an acceptance with $$$.



that's the thing bro I tried to schedule an appt., talked to 2-3 different people who "promised to email me" and I haven't heard back (granted it's only been a day)...

BU on the other hand emailed me back immediately with an appt. with a Dean of Admissions and couldn't be more courteous, frustrating because I really dig the more rural feel of BC.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby Dream Weave » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:42 pm

I'm sure this has been covered somewhere, but can anyone attempt to explain how BU maintains clearly higher medians than BC. BC seems to do notably better in employment, so like many other people, I'm trying to figure out the draw to BU over BC. There must be some reason due to the median difference, right?

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby Tremendous » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:03 am

Dream Weave wrote:I'm sure this has been covered somewhere, but can anyone attempt to explain how BU maintains clearly higher medians than BC. BC seems to do notably better in employment, so like many other people, I'm trying to figure out the draw to BU over BC. There must be some reason due to the median difference, right?


Great question. Not sure how it started, but I think right now BU's lead for the past few years in the US News rankings might have created a self-reinforcing cycle of marginally better applicants believing BU to be better and enrolling there.

Also - think BU's placement outside of Massachusetts is slightly better than BC. Again - I think a lot of that might be self-selection, in this case, creating a self-fulfilling cycle where people pick BU over BC or wherever because they think the school has more portability.

Either way - I think it is clear that BU has worse employment numbers, especially given that their rate of school funded jobs is over twice that of BC (22% vs. 10.5%, according to LST - http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=bu and http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=bc).

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby Tremendous » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:04 am

As for how they got those high medians in the first place to overtake BC in the US News rankings, don't really know.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:18 am

Dream Weave wrote:I'm sure this has been covered somewhere, but can anyone attempt to explain how BU maintains clearly higher medians than BC. BC seems to do notably better in employment, so like many other people, I'm trying to figure out the draw to BU over BC. There must be some reason due to the median difference, right?


I guess BU's ED program may have something to do with it...(at least marginally)

I don't know how many are accepted through the program and what kind of numbers the ED admits have, but I'd imagine most having 168+/3.7+...

Plus, over the past few years, BC's entering class size has been quite steady while BU has seen a decrease in the number of enrolled students.

This might have helped BU maintain higher medians.

Just my two cents :p

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby Tremendous » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:23 am

RetakeFrenzy wrote:
Dream Weave wrote:I'm sure this has been covered somewhere, but can anyone attempt to explain how BU maintains clearly higher medians than BC. BC seems to do notably better in employment, so like many other people, I'm trying to figure out the draw to BU over BC. There must be some reason due to the median difference, right?


I guess BU's ED program may have something to do with it...(at least marginally)

I don't know how many are accepted through the program and what kind of numbers the ED admits have, but I'd imagine most having 168+/3.7+...

Plus, over the past few years, BC's entering class size has been quite steady while BU has seen a decrease in the number of enrolled students.

This might have helped BU maintain higher medians.

Just my two cents :p


The ED program gives full rides to people upon acceptance, I believe, so the numbers might be a bit higher than what you said - probably numbers that would definitely get you into T-10 schools.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:25 am

Tremendous wrote:
RetakeFrenzy wrote:
Dream Weave wrote:I'm sure this has been covered somewhere, but can anyone attempt to explain how BU maintains clearly higher medians than BC. BC seems to do notably better in employment, so like many other people, I'm trying to figure out the draw to BU over BC. There must be some reason due to the median difference, right?


I guess BU's ED program may have something to do with it...(at least marginally)

I don't know how many are accepted through the program and what kind of numbers the ED admits have, but I'd imagine most having 168+/3.7+...

Plus, over the past few years, BC's entering class size has been quite steady while BU has seen a decrease in the number of enrolled students.

This might have helped BU maintain higher medians.

Just my two cents :p


The ED program gives full rides to people upon acceptance, I believe, so the numbers might be a bit higher than what you said - probably numbers that would definitely get you into T-10 schools.


Yes, you are right. so more like 170ish?

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby Tremendous » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:27 am

RetakeFrenzy wrote:
Tremendous wrote:
RetakeFrenzy wrote:
Dream Weave wrote:I'm sure this has been covered somewhere, but can anyone attempt to explain how BU maintains clearly higher medians than BC. BC seems to do notably better in employment, so like many other people, I'm trying to figure out the draw to BU over BC. There must be some reason due to the median difference, right?


I guess BU's ED program may have something to do with it...(at least marginally)

I don't know how many are accepted through the program and what kind of numbers the ED admits have, but I'd imagine most having 168+/3.7+...

Plus, over the past few years, BC's entering class size has been quite steady while BU has seen a decrease in the number of enrolled students.

This might have helped BU maintain higher medians.

Just my two cents :p


The ED program gives full rides to people upon acceptance, I believe, so the numbers might be a bit higher than what you said - probably numbers that would definitely get you into T-10 schools.


Yes, you are right. so more like 170ish?


Yeah, I'd think so. And maybe 3.8+ GPA.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby timeandspace11 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:42 am

RetakeFrenzy wrote:
Tremendous wrote:
RetakeFrenzy wrote:
Dream Weave wrote:I'm sure this has been covered somewhere, but can anyone attempt to explain how BU maintains clearly higher medians than BC. BC seems to do notably better in employment, so like many other people, I'm trying to figure out the draw to BU over BC. There must be some reason due to the median difference, right?


I guess BU's ED program may have something to do with it...(at least marginally)

I don't know how many are accepted through the program and what kind of numbers the ED admits have, but I'd imagine most having 168+/3.7+...

Plus, over the past few years, BC's entering class size has been quite steady while BU has seen a decrease in the number of enrolled students.

This might have helped BU maintain higher medians.

Just my two cents :p


The ED program gives full rides to people upon acceptance, I believe, so the numbers might be a bit higher than what you said - probably numbers that would definitely get you into T-10 schools.


Yes, you are right. so more like 170ish?



It think on LSN I saw someone with a 168/3.74 get in ED. There were also 2 URMs with a 161 who were accepted ED

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby ClaireyMary » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:27 am

I read an article on it a few months ago. I will try and find it but it stated that bu placed higher due to lower prof to student ratio, and higher rates of scholarships (I think). It also said bc has higher employment rates because of stronger alum connections.

EDIT: I'm going senile. It was the comments in the article that posted above concerns, so take that for what you will (some of the comments were abhorrent). I still can't decide between the two.

link: http://eagleionline.com/2012/03/15/u-s- ... s-are-out/

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby JesusChrist » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:41 pm

So what are my options other than sending in a LOCI and updated resume. I guess I'm asking if I should just take my waitlist lying down, or if I should make some effort to prove my intentions of attending. Call? Send 2 LOCIs?

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby Dream Weave » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:50 pm

The best thing you can possibly do is visit and speak to someone in admissions when you are there. You should send an email to the person that day covering your conversation and why you will attend bc.

Don't take your waitlist lying down. No one likes a dead fish.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby skri65 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:14 pm

Dream Weave wrote:The best thing you can possibly do is visit and speak to someone in admissions when you are there. You should send an email to the person that day covering your conversation and why you will attend bc.

Don't take your waitlist lying down. No one likes a dead fish.


Yes Yes Yes. It's anecdotal, and I sound like a broken record here, but post-hold I sent my LOCI, then visited, talked with the staff--one woman in particular--and then emailed the office later that day reflecting on the visit, the class I sat in on, and my conversation with the admissions specialist. I went back in review the next day and got a decision a a couple days afterwords. If you haven't done this already, I highly recommend it.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby JesusChrist » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:21 pm

I'm living across the country. So visiting the offices of BC isn't really an option for me. So given like, short of traveling to Boston from CA, I should write a LOCI and then call the offices?

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby Dream Weave » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:38 pm

You seem to be waitlisted at a lot of your first choices. I would put together the capital to at least make a reach for one of them and visit. Most of the schools are actually on the east coast so you could bang out at least BU and BC in one day.

Think about how much law school will cost you, the job prospects afterwards, the three years of your life you will spend at the school, and it quickly becomes some of the most worthwhile money that you will ever spend.

Imagine it from admissions prospective, this crazy kid flew across the country to come here and tell me he will attend.

If you find you are unable to pull this off. I personally would call admissions and ask if you could talk to someone about the waitlist. Have the convo over the phone, send an email to the person that day. I would also ask when they plan to start reviewing the waitlist and when you should begin to start checking in.

All of this is greatly more powerful if you were to visit.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby JesusChrist » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:12 pm

Dream Weave wrote:You seem to be waitlisted at a lot of your first choices. I would put together the capital to at least make a reach for one of them and visit. Most of the schools are actually on the east coast so you could bang out at least BU and BC in one day.

Think about how much law school will cost you, the job prospects afterwards, the three years of your life you will spend at the school, and it quickly becomes some of the most worthwhile money that you will ever spend.

Imagine it from admissions prospective, this crazy kid flew across the country to come here and tell me he will attend.

If you find you are unable to pull this off. I personally would call admissions and ask if you could talk to someone about the waitlist. Have the convo over the phone, send an email to the person that day. I would also ask when they plan to start reviewing the waitlist and when you should begin to start checking in.

All of this is greatly more powerful if you were to visit.


Those are some pretty compelling reasons you've put forth. I guess it's not totally unreasonable for me to get the trip together. I'd just be pretty bummed if I did it and nothing resulted from it. Hmm, I think I'm going to wait until BU's decision comes through and work from there.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby Dream Weave » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:26 pm

JesusChrist wrote:
Dream Weave wrote:You seem to be waitlisted at a lot of your first choices. I would put together the capital to at least make a reach for one of them and visit. Most of the schools are actually on the east coast so you could bang out at least BU and BC in one day.

Think about how much law school will cost you, the job prospects afterwards, the three years of your life you will spend at the school, and it quickly becomes some of the most worthwhile money that you will ever spend.

Imagine it from admissions prospective, this crazy kid flew across the country to come here and tell me he will attend.

If you find you are unable to pull this off. I personally would call admissions and ask if you could talk to someone about the waitlist. Have the convo over the phone, send an email to the person that day. I would also ask when they plan to start reviewing the waitlist and when you should begin to start checking in.

All of this is greatly more powerful if you were to visit.


Those are some pretty compelling reasons you've put forth. I guess it's not totally unreasonable for me to get the trip together. I'd just be pretty bummed if I did it and nothing resulted from it. Hmm, I think I'm going to wait until BU's decision comes through and work from there.


Yeah man, I'm just trying to give the best advice I can possibly give based off my experiences and discussions with admissions at schools.

I work full time as a paralegal, I literally have had 3 days off outside of national holidays over the last 9 months. For those out there, who are still in undergrad enjoy the days off while you have them.

My point is though that all of those days I have used to at least visit one school. Mainly targeting schools that I was waitlisted at or expected a waitlist in the future. I've talked to admissions officers at all of them and I think they appreciated that I took the time to a) visit b) had the balls to ask to speak to someone when I was there. People are so much more likely to help you when they know you.

My numbers are my numbers - not great, but not horrible- they are what they are. In a cycle of desperation, I feel that the personal contact can really pay off. I'm making the best of the hand that I was dealt, and that's really all that separates the good lawyer from the bad lawyer when it comes down to it.

I've gotten into all of my target schools thanks to people on this site. Just trying to add to the pot too.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby AlanShore » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:11 pm

nothing from held applicants? :cry:

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby The-Specs » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:14 pm

AlanShore wrote:nothing from held applicants? :cry:


Decision rendered about 30 min ago (11:45 MST) and a big fat WL.

With the numbers of the other people who have been waitlisted I am not surprised in the least but bummed nonetheless. This most definitely means that I will not be in Boston this fall as I have been WL at schools that are a better fit for me.

ETA: Boston schools must just hate me, WL at both BC and BU.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby AlanShore » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:17 pm

The-Specs wrote:
AlanShore wrote:nothing from held applicants? :cry:


Decision rendered about 30 min ago (11:45 MST) and a big fat WL.

With the numbers of the other people who have been waitlisted I am not surprised in the least but bummed nonetheless. This most definitely means that I will not be in Boston this fall as I have been WL at schools that are a better fit for me.

ETA: Boston schools must just hate me, WL at both BC and BU.

:( I'm sorry. man, BC is just breaking hearts left and right........ i'd love to hear back today or tomorrow.

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Re: BC 2012-2013 Applicants

Postby dproduct » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:09 pm

Need Access is the worst, FYI to anyone that has not done it.




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