Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby T20hopeful89 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:41 pm

Sent in a letter to financial aid today to try and negotiate scholarship. Has anyone done this yet? I don't remember seeing that in the thread yet.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby szb5058 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:35 pm

T20hopeful89 wrote:Sent in a letter to financial aid today to try and negotiate scholarship. Has anyone done this yet? I don't remember seeing that in the thread yet.


I did the same thing last week, haven't heard back yet. Kinda wondering if it got lost in translation somewhere in the depths of cyberspace. I'll give them another week or so to respond and if I don't hear anything I'll send another e-mail inquiring if they had received my original

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby T20hopeful89 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:44 pm

szb5058 wrote:
T20hopeful89 wrote:Sent in a letter to financial aid today to try and negotiate scholarship. Has anyone done this yet? I don't remember seeing that in the thread yet.


I did the same thing last week, haven't heard back yet. Kinda wondering if it got lost in translation somewhere in the depths of cyberspace. I'll give them another week or so to respond and if I don't hear anything I'll send another e-mail inquiring if they had received my original



I have yet even to receive confirmation of my e-mail. Oh well. I'll give them time - not worth stalking them yet. Two weeks seems ok, though.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby SteelPenguin » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:25 pm

Wow, Fordham dropped to 38. I know rankings aren't everything, but i still find this pretty concerning.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby simplycatalina » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:26 pm

SteelPenguin wrote:Wow, Fordham dropped to 38. I know rankings aren't everything, but i still find this pretty concerning.


+1

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby Dream Weave » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:27 pm

SteelPenguin wrote:Wow, Fordham dropped to 38. I know rankings aren't everything, but i still find this pretty concerning.


Prob biggest surprise to me. Plummeted

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby JayJones78 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:13 pm

cbarlow1016 wrote:
SteelPenguin wrote:Wow, Fordham dropped to 38. I know rankings aren't everything, but i still find this pretty concerning.


+1


+1
But... IMHO If what you want is NYC biglaw (and sure of it) Fordham is and will continue to be a better shot than many many other schools that are ranked higher.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby T20hopeful89 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:20 pm

SteelPenguin wrote:Wow, Fordham dropped to 38. I know rankings aren't everything, but i still find this pretty concerning.


I think we are owed an explanation as to why this happened...did they place fewer people into jobs?!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby SteelPenguin » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:22 pm

T20hopeful89 wrote:
SteelPenguin wrote:Wow, Fordham dropped to 38. I know rankings aren't everything, but i still find this pretty concerning.


I think we are owed an explanation as to why this happened...did they place fewer people into jobs?!


I wish these came out before the ASD earlier this month. It would have made for an interesting discussion. If the school foresaw this drop in the rankings, they sure didn't hint at it during ASD.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby JayJones78 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:41 pm

SteelPenguin wrote:
T20hopeful89 wrote:
SteelPenguin wrote:Wow, Fordham dropped to 38. I know rankings aren't everything, but i still find this pretty concerning.


I think we are owed an explanation as to why this happened...did they place fewer people into jobs?!


I wish these came out before the ASD earlier this month. It would have made for an interesting discussion. If the school foresaw this drop in the rankings, they sure didn't hint at it during ASD.


I would assume they knew

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby SteelPenguin » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:56 pm

JayJones78 wrote:
SteelPenguin wrote:
T20hopeful89 wrote:
SteelPenguin wrote:Wow, Fordham dropped to 38. I know rankings aren't everything, but i still find this pretty concerning.


I think we are owed an explanation as to why this happened...did they place fewer people into jobs?!


I wish these came out before the ASD earlier this month. It would have made for an interesting discussion. If the school foresaw this drop in the rankings, they sure didn't hint at it during ASD.


I would assume they knew


I would hope so.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby JayJones78 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:00 am

SteelPenguin wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:
SteelPenguin wrote:
T20hopeful89 wrote:
I think we are owed an explanation as to why this happened...did they place fewer people into jobs?!


I wish these came out before the ASD earlier this month. It would have made for an interesting discussion. If the school foresaw this drop in the rankings, they sure didn't hint at it during ASD.


I would assume they knew


I would hope so.


I mean as I said earlier, if you want NYC biglaw, and sure of it, Fordham still has a better chance to get you there than many other schools that are ranked higher

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby Itinerant » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:55 am

JayJones78 wrote:I mean as I said earlier, if you want NYC biglaw, and sure of it, Fordham still has a better chance to get you there than many other schools that are ranked higher

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby anteater1 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:23 am

T20hopeful89 wrote:
szb5058 wrote:
T20hopeful89 wrote:Sent in a letter to financial aid today to try and negotiate scholarship. Has anyone done this yet? I don't remember seeing that in the thread yet.


I did the same thing last week, haven't heard back yet. Kinda wondering if it got lost in translation somewhere in the depths of cyberspace. I'll give them another week or so to respond and if I don't hear anything I'll send another e-mail inquiring if they had received my original



I have yet even to receive confirmation of my e-mail. Oh well. I'll give them time - not worth stalking them yet. Two weeks seems ok, though.


I negotiated from 10k to 15k/year.

planning on withdrawing after the huge drop in USNews Rankings coupled with the hella lowball offer

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby CR2012 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:49 am

Very disappointed in the drop. TLS wisdom is that rankings don't matter, but I think that is a bit shortsighted. Sure, employers are not going to be persuaded at all/much by the rankings, but the rankings do offer us relatively objective information about schools that would otherwise be difficult to obtain.

Fordham's drop of 9 points is worrisome for me. I am aware of the information about Fordham on LST, which doesn't paint the greatest picture of a Fordham JD, but this drop makes me wonder if something severe has happened recently.

Isn't there supposed to be another LST update soon?

Also, Fordham needs to offer more $$$.

Edit: Spelling fail

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Postby totalgleek » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:49 am

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby CR2012 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:54 am

totalgleek wrote:fordham and alabama were tied at 29 yesterday
today, bama is 21, fordham is 38.

i always hear oh the rankings dont matter
but i have almost a full ride at alabama and fordham has offered me nothing!

i want to do big law, id like to end up in nyc eventually,
but thats so many ranks and so much money!
have no idea what to make of all this now



0L here. If NYC is your desire, I think Fordham is more likely to get you there than Alabama. However, you are wise to be hesitant. Maybe its possible to get from Alabama to Atlanta Big Law? If you strike out, you didn't pay any tuition.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby WanderingPondering » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:56 am

totalgleek wrote:fordham and alabama were tied at 29 yesterday
today, bama is 21, fordham is 38.

i always hear oh the rankings dont matter
but i have almost a full ride at alabama and fordham has offered me nothing!

i want to do big law, id like to end up in nyc eventually,
but thats so many ranks and so much money!
have no idea what to make of all this now


Fordham at sticker is pretty dangerous, as 75% of students don't get biglaw...

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby T20hopeful89 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:37 am

CR2012 wrote:Very disappointed in the drop. TLS wisdom is that rankings don't matter, but I think that is a bit shortsighted. Sure, employers are not going to be persuaded at all/much by the rankings, but the rankings do offer us relatively objective information about schools that would otherwise be difficult to obtain.

Fordham's drop of 9 points is worrisome for me. I am aware of the information about Fordham on LST, which doesn't paint the greatest picture of a Fordham JD, but this drop makes me wonder if something severe has happened recently.

Isn't there supposed to be another LST update soon?

Also, Fordham needs to offer more $$$.

Edit: Spelling fail


I am also super concerned about it. I work at one of the biggest law firms in the world, and stopped into a partner's office this morning to discuss the issue with him. He confirmed that firms don't care in the least bit about rankings. They have a core group of schools from which they recruit. The one thing that can change (I found this interesting), is the gpa/rank cut-off within your class that will allow you to be interviewed. For example, they might interview anyone at harvard, but only someone with a 3.3+ or 3.6+ at Fordham. So, basically, the cut-off could change if they feel that the student body has changed in some way.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby guano » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:51 am

T20hopeful89 wrote:
CR2012 wrote:Very disappointed in the drop. TLS wisdom is that rankings don't matter, but I think that is a bit shortsighted. Sure, employers are not going to be persuaded at all/much by the rankings, but the rankings do offer us relatively objective information about schools that would otherwise be difficult to obtain.

Fordham's drop of 9 points is worrisome for me. I am aware of the information about Fordham on LST, which doesn't paint the greatest picture of a Fordham JD, but this drop makes me wonder if something severe has happened recently.

Isn't there supposed to be another LST update soon?

Also, Fordham needs to offer more $$$.

Edit: Spelling fail


I am also super concerned about it. I work at one of the biggest law firms in the world, and stopped into a partner's office this morning to discuss the issue with him. He confirmed that firms don't care in the least bit about rankings. They have a core group of schools from which they recruit. The one thing that can change (I found this interesting), is the gpa/rank cut-off within your class that will allow you to be interviewed. For example, they might interview anyone at harvard, but only someone with a 3.3+ or 3.6+ at Fordham. So, basically, the cut-off could change if they feel that the student body has changed in some way.

The cutoff is less likely to be affected by a change in rankings and more likely to be affected by changes in the market

To put it this way, during the boom years, Fordham placed about 1/3 of its student body into biglaw, and something like 3/4 of NYU/CLS were competitive. However, because there are a lot less jobs, it, firms can be a lot more selective at each school. That means that instead of 3/4 of NYU/CLS being competitive, this can be reduced to, say 3/5, and the firm can still meet its needs; Fordham is already behind those two, so it will bear more of the brunt of the crash; in addition to the pie being smaller, their slice of the pie also becomes smaller, and now Fordham is placing closer to 1/5th into biglaw. The lower down the totem pole, the bigger the impact of the contraction.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby T20hopeful89 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:54 am

The cutoff is less likely to be affected by a change in rankings and more likely to be affected by changes in the market

To put it this way, during the boom years, Fordham placed about 1/3 of its student body into biglaw, and something like 3/4 of NYU/CLS were competitive. However, because there are a lot less jobs, it, firms can be a lot more selective at each school. That means that instead of 3/4 of NYU/CLS being competitive, this can be reduced to, say 3/5, and the firm can still meet its needs; Fordham is already behind those two, so it will bear more of the brunt of the crash; in addition to the pie being smaller, their slice of the pie also becomes smaller, and now Fordham is placing closer to 1/5th into biglaw. The lower down the totem pole, the bigger the impact of the contraction.[/quote]


Fair, but that change had already happened. If anything, the partner said that in the next couple years, he foresees things getting better in terms of hiring. But for sure, fordham is a 4th choice in NY (after cls, nyu, and cornell). When I visited fordham, I was told by one of the students that if you are top 1/3, you're pretty much ok, top 1/2 and you will have some more trouble, and bottom half, you're basically screwed.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby guano » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:58 am

T20hopeful89 wrote:The cutoff is less likely to be affected by a change in rankings and more likely to be affected by changes in the market

To put it this way, during the boom years, Fordham placed about 1/3 of its student body into biglaw, and something like 3/4 of NYU/CLS were competitive. However, because there are a lot less jobs, it, firms can be a lot more selective at each school. That means that instead of 3/4 of NYU/CLS being competitive, this can be reduced to, say 3/5, and the firm can still meet its needs; Fordham is already behind those two, so it will bear more of the brunt of the crash; in addition to the pie being smaller, their slice of the pie also becomes smaller, and now Fordham is placing closer to 1/5th into biglaw. The lower down the totem pole, the bigger the impact of the contraction.



Fair, but that change had already happened. If anything, the partner said that in the next couple years, he foresees things getting better in terms of hiring. But for sure, fordham is a 4th choice in NY (after cls, nyu, and cornell). When I visited fordham, I was told by one of the students that if you are top 1/3, you're pretty much ok, top 1/2 and you will have some more trouble, and bottom half, you're basically screwed.[/quote]
In terms of snagging an interview, that's about right. I've spoken to a number of firms / hiring partners, and top 1/3 or so seems to be the cutoff. But, getting an interview is not the same as getting a job, and you can screw it up in a number of ways. If you're around median (below top 1/3 but above bottom 1/3) biglaw is out, but despite the way this board operates, life is not only about biglaw and there are other jobs out there. If you're bottom 1/3, then you better have family connections or a really good backup plan

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby baddabing27 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:24 am

Not to take this in another direction - but is anyone still waiting on a decision? I haven't had an update since 2/27 for PT...

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby qfjd10 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:32 am

baddabing27 wrote:Not to take this in another direction - but is anyone still waiting on a decision? I haven't had an update since 2/27 for PT...


Yeah, complete on 2/5 and no movement since. Also PT

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Re: Fordham c/o 2016/17 (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby CaptainLeela » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:34 am

qfjd10 wrote:
baddabing27 wrote:Not to take this in another direction - but is anyone still waiting on a decision? I haven't had an update since 2/27 for PT...


Yeah, complete on 2/5 and no movement since. Also PT


+1 but FT. Rabble.




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