Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Share Your Experiences, Read About Other Experiences. Please keep posts organized by school and expected year of graduation.
Kretzy
Posts: 1431
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:11 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby Kretzy » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:19 pm

Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting :)

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!

User avatar
spicyyoda17
Posts: 320
Joined: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:02 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby spicyyoda17 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:24 pm

Kretzy wrote:Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting :)

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!


Kretzy - seen some of your SLS insights elsewhere - thank you in advance!

3 questions:
1) How has the class of 2013 fared in terms of securing FT gigs after graduation? We have 2011 stats available, but would love to know your take on the c/of '12 and '13 if possible.
2) As for your class, how did OCI go? Are things pretty steady, getting better, slight decline, what? I'm interested in a federal clerkship after I graduate and then business law/litigation in DC (obviously a tough market, I know). For these reasons, I am slightly leaning SLS as opposed to HLS as it seems like SLS has been very strong in both clerkship and DC placement.
3) What have you seen in regards to students trying to begin their careers in secondary markets?

Thanks again!

Kretzy
Posts: 1431
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:11 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby Kretzy » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:50 pm

spicyyoda17 wrote:
Kretzy wrote:Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting :)

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!


Kretzy - seen some of your SLS insights elsewhere - thank you in advance!

3 questions:
1) How has the class of 2013 fared in terms of securing FT gigs after graduation? We have 2011 stats available, but would love to know your take on the c/of '12 and '13 if possible.
2) As for your class, how did OCI go? Are things pretty steady, getting better, slight decline, what? I'm interested in a federal clerkship after I graduate and then business law/litigation in DC (obviously a tough market, I know). For these reasons, I am slightly leaning SLS as opposed to HLS as it seems like SLS has been very strong in both clerkship and DC placement.
3) What have you seen in regards to students trying to begin their careers in secondary markets?

Thanks again!


Not a problem. This site was super helpful to me when applying!

1. I would say the number of people looking for jobs can be counted on one hand. They include people seeking high-end public interest work and maybe a person or two who was no-offered. My group of friends, about 40 or so, all have jobs. About half are clerking next year and half are starting at firms (with one or two doing PI).

2. OCI was actually kinda fun. Everyone I know that truly did OCI (10+ interviews) got a position through it, regardless of grades. A few people didn't get their top choice market (generally SF, if grades were really bad, like 0-1 Hs bad), and a couple of people got non-market paying. This was a big exception to the norm, though.

Personality really mattered at OCI. Most people had 3-6 Hs. At that point, you've shown you can do the work and distinguish yourself in certain classes, and that's all most firms really needed. There are 15 or so firms that it's only worth applying to if you're top 1/3 (probably more Hs than Ps), but I have friends at V5 firms who were well below median and no law review.

I tend to think things are getting better, if slowly.

I interviewed in D.C., with absolutely no ties, and it's a relatively tough market. That said, with okay (but not great grades), I managed 3 offers, including from some of the "tougher" firms to get. Lots of SLSers want D.C., probably even more than want SF, so it can be tough. But most people who really wanted to be in D.C. got to be, or back-doored a split with their NYC or LA-based firms to spend 4-5 weeks in the D.C. office.

Also, in terms of clerkships, my class absolutely killed it. More than 1/3 are clerking next year or the year after. If people applied widely, they tended to get a clerkship. The sheer breadth of clerkship placement, including for folks at median without SLR, is a very, very compelling reason to choose SLS. I am not clerking straight out, but will be applying after 2-3 years at my firm, and it seems a large number of alums snag clerkships that way, too.

3. We send a lot of folks to Texas. One of my closest friends is starting in Atlanta. I know people headed to the really insular, tough-to-get markets (Seattle, Portland, Denver), other secondaries (Minneapolis, Cleveland, Miami, San Diego, Boston). More secondary market firms interview at OCI than I would've expected. I worked at a V20 in a secondary market my first summer and really enjoyed it; though I absolutely love SF (am writing this from my apartment in the city), I recommend trying out a smaller market for at least part of your summer experience 1L or 2L year.

User avatar
Eichörnchen
Posts: 1119
Joined: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:51 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby Eichörnchen » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:49 pm

curious66 wrote:
shakespeare wrote:So, is it safe to assume those who applied earlier than December should expect a waitlist or deny?
Just wondering since they seem to have accepted so few this cycle...

End October applicant.


End of October applicant here too.. so, expecting a ding.

+1

User avatar
gingerbreadsmouse
Posts: 181
Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:51 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby gingerbreadsmouse » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:49 pm

Eichörnchen wrote:
curious66 wrote:
shakespeare wrote:So, is it safe to assume those who applied earlier than December should expect a waitlist or deny?
Just wondering since they seem to have accepted so few this cycle...

End October applicant.


End of October applicant here too.. so, expecting a ding.

+1


Mid-Oct, and me too. Three.

eleemosynary2
Posts: 43
Joined: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:24 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby eleemosynary2 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:06 pm

Kretzy wrote:
spicyyoda17 wrote:
Kretzy wrote:Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting :)

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!


Kretzy - seen some of your SLS insights elsewhere - thank you in advance!

3 questions:
1) How has the class of 2013 fared in terms of securing FT gigs after graduation? We have 2011 stats available, but would love to know your take on the c/of '12 and '13 if possible.
2) As for your class, how did OCI go? Are things pretty steady, getting better, slight decline, what? I'm interested in a federal clerkship after I graduate and then business law/litigation in DC (obviously a tough market, I know). For these reasons, I am slightly leaning SLS as opposed to HLS as it seems like SLS has been very strong in both clerkship and DC placement.
3) What have you seen in regards to students trying to begin their careers in secondary markets?

Thanks again!


Not a problem. This site was super helpful to me when applying!

1. I would say the number of people looking for jobs can be counted on one hand. They include people seeking high-end public interest work and maybe a person or two who was no-offered. My group of friends, about 40 or so, all have jobs. About half are clerking next year and half are starting at firms (with one or two doing PI).

2. OCI was actually kinda fun. Everyone I know that truly did OCI (10+ interviews) got a position through it, regardless of grades. A few people didn't get their top choice market (generally SF, if grades were really bad, like 0-1 Hs bad), and a couple of people got non-market paying. This was a big exception to the norm, though.

Personality really mattered at OCI. Most people had 3-6 Hs. At that point, you've shown you can do the work and distinguish yourself in certain classes, and that's all most firms really needed. There are 15 or so firms that it's only worth applying to if you're top 1/3 (probably more Hs than Ps), but I have friends at V5 firms who were well below median and no law review.

I tend to think things are getting better, if slowly.

I interviewed in D.C., with absolutely no ties, and it's a relatively tough market. That said, with okay (but not great grades), I managed 3 offers, including from some of the "tougher" firms to get. Lots of SLSers want D.C., probably even more than want SF, so it can be tough. But most people who really wanted to be in D.C. got to be, or back-doored a split with their NYC or LA-based firms to spend 4-5 weeks in the D.C. office.

Also, in terms of clerkships, my class absolutely killed it. More than 1/3 are clerking next year or the year after. If people applied widely, they tended to get a clerkship. The sheer breadth of clerkship placement, including for folks at median without SLR, is a very, very compelling reason to choose SLS. I am not clerking straight out, but will be applying after 2-3 years at my firm, and it seems a large number of alums snag clerkships that way, too.

3. We send a lot of folks to Texas. One of my closest friends is starting in Atlanta. I know people headed to the really insular, tough-to-get markets (Seattle, Portland, Denver), other secondaries (Minneapolis, Cleveland, Miami, San Diego, Boston). More secondary market firms interview at OCI than I would've expected. I worked at a V20 in a secondary market my first summer and really enjoyed it; though I absolutely love SF (am writing this from my apartment in the city), I recommend trying out a smaller market for at least part of your summer experience 1L or 2L year.


*Salivates at this entire post*

User avatar
spicyyoda17
Posts: 320
Joined: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:02 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby spicyyoda17 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:07 pm

eleemosynary2 wrote:
Kretzy wrote:
spicyyoda17 wrote:
Kretzy wrote:Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting :)

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!


Kretzy - seen some of your SLS insights elsewhere - thank you in advance!

3 questions:
1) How has the class of 2013 fared in terms of securing FT gigs after graduation? We have 2011 stats available, but would love to know your take on the c/of '12 and '13 if possible.
2) As for your class, how did OCI go? Are things pretty steady, getting better, slight decline, what? I'm interested in a federal clerkship after I graduate and then business law/litigation in DC (obviously a tough market, I know). For these reasons, I am slightly leaning SLS as opposed to HLS as it seems like SLS has been very strong in both clerkship and DC placement.
3) What have you seen in regards to students trying to begin their careers in secondary markets?

Thanks again!


Not a problem. This site was super helpful to me when applying!

1. I would say the number of people looking for jobs can be counted on one hand. They include people seeking high-end public interest work and maybe a person or two who was no-offered. My group of friends, about 40 or so, all have jobs. About half are clerking next year and half are starting at firms (with one or two doing PI).

2. OCI was actually kinda fun. Everyone I know that truly did OCI (10+ interviews) got a position through it, regardless of grades. A few people didn't get their top choice market (generally SF, if grades were really bad, like 0-1 Hs bad), and a couple of people got non-market paying. This was a big exception to the norm, though.

Personality really mattered at OCI. Most people had 3-6 Hs. At that point, you've shown you can do the work and distinguish yourself in certain classes, and that's all most firms really needed. There are 15 or so firms that it's only worth applying to if you're top 1/3 (probably more Hs than Ps), but I have friends at V5 firms who were well below median and no law review.

I tend to think things are getting better, if slowly.

I interviewed in D.C., with absolutely no ties, and it's a relatively tough market. That said, with okay (but not great grades), I managed 3 offers, including from some of the "tougher" firms to get. Lots of SLSers want D.C., probably even more than want SF, so it can be tough. But most people who really wanted to be in D.C. got to be, or back-doored a split with their NYC or LA-based firms to spend 4-5 weeks in the D.C. office.

Also, in terms of clerkships, my class absolutely killed it. More than 1/3 are clerking next year or the year after. If people applied widely, they tended to get a clerkship. The sheer breadth of clerkship placement, including for folks at median without SLR, is a very, very compelling reason to choose SLS. I am not clerking straight out, but will be applying after 2-3 years at my firm, and it seems a large number of alums snag clerkships that way, too.

3. We send a lot of folks to Texas. One of my closest friends is starting in Atlanta. I know people headed to the really insular, tough-to-get markets (Seattle, Portland, Denver), other secondaries (Minneapolis, Cleveland, Miami, San Diego, Boston). More secondary market firms interview at OCI than I would've expected. I worked at a V20 in a secondary market my first summer and really enjoyed it; though I absolutely love SF (am writing this from my apartment in the city), I recommend trying out a smaller market for at least part of your summer experience 1L or 2L year.


*Salivates at this entire post*


Yes - this was a great and encouraging response - thanks Kretzy!

zabava
Posts: 61
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:30 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby zabava » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:27 pm

Early October, given up hope...
But congrats to everyone who's in, Stanford sounds amazing :-)

vzapana
Posts: 530
Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:54 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby vzapana » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:35 pm

If the # of members on the google group is any indication, dean deal has given out only about 40 offers so far. There give out some 350 offers a year, according to the most recent aba statistics. so don't lose hope!

User avatar
ManOfTheMinute
Posts: 1562
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:54 am

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:51 pm

vzapana wrote:If the # of members on the google group is any indication, dean deal has given out only about 40 offers so far. There give out some 350 offers a year, according to the most recent aba statistics. so don't lose hope!


Perhaps it's also a function of how quickly whoever approves the memberships requests does their job... the FB group has 30 people, LSN has 33 people. Using kappycaft1' spreadsheet, and even assuming LSN makes up 20% rather than the 15-18% as indicated over the past years, we're looking at between 150 and 165 admits thus far.

Caveat: this assumes that LSN user are no more likely to get early acceptances than non-LSN users, and this assumption is faulty at best. Given that LSN/TLS has roughly a 33% higher chance of acceptance due to self-selection, lets say there have been between 130-150 offers thus far.

Still, that leaves 200, or 57% of total, offers to be given... so still don't lose hope!

wisteria
Posts: 285
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:43 am

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby wisteria » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:57 pm

I feel like Stanford has barely made any offers, yet according to the analysis almost half spots are gone! :cry:

User avatar
Rory19
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:14 am

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby Rory19 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:13 pm

Is it too early to submit a LOCI? I have been under review since October.

User avatar
uconjak
Posts: 357
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:20 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby uconjak » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:17 pm

Hope is a good thing, until the decision comes and then your crushed. I believe that most schools are running about 15% behind their norms.

User avatar
bosmer88
Posts: 417
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:07 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby bosmer88 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:16 pm

Sorry if this has already been answered, but if you are under review would the checker update multiple times throughout the process or just the first time when you go under review ?

User avatar
ManOfTheMinute
Posts: 1562
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:54 am

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:06 pm

bosmer88 wrote:Sorry if this has already been answered, but if you are under review would the checker update multiple times throughout the process or just the first time when you go under review ?


Just the first time

20141023
Posts: 3072
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:17 am

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby 20141023 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:16 pm

.
Last edited by 20141023 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
bosmer88
Posts: 417
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:07 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby bosmer88 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:57 pm

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
bosmer88 wrote:Sorry if this has already been answered, but if you are under review would the checker update multiple times throughout the process or just the first time when you go under review ?


Just the first time


Thanks MOTM. More waiting and wondering then.

zabava
Posts: 61
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:30 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby zabava » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:46 pm

Haha, thank you for all the support ya'll! :-)

User avatar
jbagelboy
Posts: 9641
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:57 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby jbagelboy » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:51 pm

Anyone received their rejection in the mail yet? Since getting my NCE, it's the only exciting ls news I have to wait for until scholarships

User avatar
ManOfTheMinute
Posts: 1562
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:54 am

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:31 pm

jbagelboy wrote:Anyone received their rejection in the mail yet? Since getting my NCE, it's the only exciting ls news I have to wait for until scholarships


Hahaha I doubt it - last year they went out on the first Monday of February. Also, the status checker will be DLS

kittonmittons
Posts: 13
Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:17 am

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby kittonmittons » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:49 pm

How does one get into the Google group? I assume there is information about it in the information packet they send? Apparently mine has been sitting at my parents' house for two weeks....here I thought maybe they'd just changed their mind about admitting me already.

vzapana
Posts: 530
Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:54 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby vzapana » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:12 pm

kittonmittons wrote:How does one get into the Google group? I assume there is information about it in the information packet they send? Apparently mine has been sitting at my parents' house for two weeks....here I thought maybe they'd just changed their mind about admitting me already.


Info is on the admitted students website... Which requires the pin from the packet. You can get the pin from the admissions office if you can't wait

User avatar
ManOfTheMinute
Posts: 1562
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:54 am

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:20 am

vzapana wrote:
kittonmittons wrote:How does one get into the Google group? I assume there is information about it in the information packet they send? Apparently mine has been sitting at my parents' house for two weeks....here I thought maybe they'd just changed their mind about admitting me already.


Info is on the admitted students website... Which requires the pin from the packet. You can get the pin from the admissions office if you can't wait


I clicked the "forgot password" button, and they sent me an email (to my 'primary' account) with a link to type in a new password. Success.

Sadly, you cannot get into the Google Group with the admissions packet though, as it has your ID number. Even with it though it might take a while to get approved...

User avatar
Audeamus
Posts: 430
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:28 pm

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby Audeamus » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:46 pm

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:Anyone received their rejection in the mail yet? Since getting my NCE, it's the only exciting ls news I have to wait for until scholarships


Hahaha I doubt it - last year they went out on the first Monday of February. Also, the status checker will be DLS


rejections come by snail mail?

User avatar
ManOfTheMinute
Posts: 1562
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:54 am

Re: Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:54 pm

Audeamus wrote:
ManOfTheMinute wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:Anyone received their rejection in the mail yet? Since getting my NCE, it's the only exciting ls news I have to wait for until scholarships


Hahaha I doubt it - last year they went out on the first Monday of February. Also, the status checker will be DLS


rejections come by snail mail?


Indeed... Or at least that was the process last year




Return to “Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists”