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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby JayJones78 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:27 pm

LetsGoRangers wrote:
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LetsGoRangers wrote:I find it really surprising that Dozo doesn't negotiate schollies from BLS. It is pretty lame they due this on the count of USNWR rankings. I think Dozo's truest peer school is BLS.

I am from NYC and have spoken to many lawyers about the two schools. Although this is pretty anecdotal most lawyers view them as the same caliber of school and some even considered BLS the better school. (These are booomer lawyers for the most part though FWIW) They are okay schools if you want to stay in NYC but using the USNWR report to pick a school is silly. Go to the school that is the best fit for for you and reduces the amount of debt. I would not pay that much more to go to Dozo over BLS.

Edit: Most Boomers did not have the option of attending Cardozo bc it's a newer school.


The thing is, it doesn't really matter what those lawyers things unless they are hiring partners. Everything I'v read and with everyone iv talked to, hiring partners do not see the two schools the same.


Yes they were hiring partners from NYC law firms. My dad is a senior partner at a well-respected midsized firm. Not trying to be an ass just trying to impart that I have valuable wisdom on the subject. I have some pretty sound advice from some lawlyers.


Not thinking you're an ass at all. My take on Cardozo is that if you go there, prepare to be to top 20% or maybe higher for a good outcome. If you're in that range my thinking is that you'll get nyc, most likely biglaw. If you're not there, you're in a huge bind.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby dirtrida2 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:39 pm

JayJones78 wrote:
LetsGoRangers wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:
LetsGoRangers wrote:I find it really surprising that Dozo doesn't negotiate schollies from BLS. It is pretty lame they due this on the count of USNWR rankings. I think Dozo's truest peer school is BLS.

I am from NYC and have spoken to many lawyers about the two schools. Although this is pretty anecdotal most lawyers view them as the same caliber of school and some even considered BLS the better school. (These are booomer lawyers for the most part though FWIW) They are okay schools if you want to stay in NYC but using the USNWR report to pick a school is silly. Go to the school that is the best fit for for you and reduces the amount of debt. I would not pay that much more to go to Dozo over BLS.

Edit: Most Boomers did not have the option of attending Cardozo bc it's a newer school.


The thing is, it doesn't really matter what those lawyers things unless they are hiring partners. Everything I'v read and with everyone iv talked to, hiring partners do not see the two schools the same.


Yes they were hiring partners from NYC law firms. My dad is a senior partner at a well-respected midsized firm. Not trying to be an ass just trying to impart that I have valuable wisdom on the subject. I have some pretty sound advice from some lawlyers.


Not thinking you're an ass at all. My take on Cardozo is that if you go there, prepare to be to top 20% or maybe higher for a good outcome. If you're in that range my thinking is that you'll get nyc, most likely biglaw. If you're not there, you're in a huge bind.



You think 20% gets big-law? LST reports around 12% in firms of 100+ attorneys.

Go-To-Law-Schools NLJ250 reports around 12% for the 2011 report.

If I am not mistaken, they didn't make the 2012 NLJ250 top 50?

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby JayJones78 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:46 pm

dirtrida2 wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:
LetsGoRangers wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:
I am from NYC and have spoken to many lawyers about the two schools. Although this is pretty anecdotal most lawyers view them as the same caliber of school and some even considered BLS the better school. (These are booomer lawyers for the most part though FWIW) They are okay schools if you want to stay in NYC but using the USNWR report to pick a school is silly. Go to the school that is the best fit for for you and reduces the amount of debt. I would not pay that much more to go to Dozo over BLS.

Edit: Most Boomers did not have the option of attending Cardozo bc it's a newer school.


The thing is, it doesn't really matter what those lawyers things unless they are hiring partners. Everything I'v read and with everyone iv talked to, hiring partners do not see the two schools the same.


Yes they were hiring partners from NYC law firms. My dad is a senior partner at a well-respected midsized firm. Not trying to be an ass just trying to impart that I have valuable wisdom on the subject. I have some pretty sound advice from some lawlyers.


Not thinking you're an ass at all. My take on Cardozo is that if you go there, prepare to be to top 20% or maybe higher for a good outcome. If you're in that range my thinking is that you'll get nyc, most likely biglaw. If you're not there, you're in a huge bind.



You think 20% gets big-law? LST reports around 12% in firms of 100+ attorneys.

Go-To-Law-Schools NLJ250 reports around 12% for the 2011 report.

If I am not mistaken, they didn't make the 2012 NLJ250 top 50?[/quote]


I said good outcome. Not biglaw. I think 20% will find a JD required job. Also don't forget that not everyone wants biglaw. So it may very well be that the top 20% will still get biglaw because some in the top 10% are gunning for different types of employments.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby aresdude » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:39 pm

LetsGoRangers wrote:CLS/NYU->T14->Fordham->BLS/Dozo is the hierarchy


It's more like: CLS > NYU > T14 > Fordham > Cardozo > Brooklyn

For those saying Brooklyn is held in higher esteem, USNWR isn't everything but keep in mind that the number 58 (Cardozo) is closer to 38 (Fordham) than it is to 80 (Brooklyn).

Furthermore, Cardozo is a really young school and is considered a rising star by many.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby JayJones78 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:44 pm

aresdude wrote:
LetsGoRangers wrote:CLS/NYU->T14->Fordham->BLS/Dozo is the hierarchy


It's more like: CLS > NYU > T14 > Fordham > Cardozo > Brooklyn

For those saying Brooklyn is held in higher esteem, USNWR isn't everything but keep in mind that the number 58 (Cardozo) is closer to 38 (Fordham) than it is to 80 (Brooklyn).

Furthermore, Cardozo is a really young school and is considered a rising star by many.


And it has a lot to money to spend and a lot of alumni who are eager for it to succeed. Just because I'm Jewish it's okay for me to say this :D

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby zgotlib » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:11 pm

I'm strongly considering Cardozo but wanted to know more about housing. Not really trying to live in the on-campus apartments. How do we go about finding where and who to live with? Any thoughts?

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby fredmerz » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:22 pm

People have moved to New York from all over the world for decades. You'll figure out how to find an apartment. It isn't that difficult.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby shredmeister » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:52 am

had an interview, killed it, but still waiting to hear back. got 41k/yr at BLS; hoping to get in/get scholly at dozo.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby tony2167 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:06 pm

Went to the ASD a couple days ago and wasn't impressed at all. While we were walking through one of the classroom floors I heard a girl say "if I'd done that (referring to ASD) I'd have never come here". :-/

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby nwlawschool2013 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:08 pm

fredmerz wrote:People have moved to New York from all over the world for decades. You'll figure out how to find an apartment. It isn't that difficult.


Where's the douche button when you need it...

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby patienunderstanding » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:22 pm

tony2167 wrote:Went to the ASD a couple days ago and wasn't impressed at all. While we were walking through one of the classroom floors I heard a girl say "if I'd done that (referring to ASD) I'd have never come here". :-/


What did you like and what didn't you like about the school?

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby mip1011 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:06 pm

tony2167 wrote:Went to the ASD a couple days ago and wasn't impressed at all. While we were walking through one of the classroom floors I heard a girl say "if I'd done that (referring to ASD) I'd have never come here". :-/


I felt the same way after leaving, granted I had to catch a flight so I couldn't stay for the alcohol and food at the end. I was split between Cardozo and Brooklyn, and left the ASD ready to commit to Brooklyn.

As to the question of what specifically was wrong with the school, I'm not entirely sure. The way everyone talked about the school honestly felt kind of insincere, as if current students were trying to convince themselves that they had made the right choice by encouraging us to come to school there. I didn't think about it too much right after, because generally I knew I liked the environment of BLS better and that's where I would be going.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby JayJones78 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:15 pm

mip1011 wrote:
tony2167 wrote:Went to the ASD a couple days ago and wasn't impressed at all. While we were walking through one of the classroom floors I heard a girl say "if I'd done that (referring to ASD) I'd have never come here". :-/


I felt the same way after leaving, granted I had to catch a flight so I couldn't stay for the alcohol and food at the end. I was split between Cardozo and Brooklyn, and left the ASD ready to commit to Brooklyn.

As to the question of what specifically was wrong with the school, I'm not entirely sure. The way everyone talked about the school honestly felt kind of insincere, as if current students were trying to convince themselves that they had made the right choice by encouraging us to come to school there. I didn't think about it too much right after, because generally I knew I liked the environment of BLS better and that's where I would be going.


By saying you had to catch a flight I get you're from NYC? What are your options if its okay to ask? Why are you looking to Brooklyn?

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Postby sanjola » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:52 am

tony2167 wrote:Went to the ASD a couple days ago and wasn't impressed at all. While we were walking through one of the classroom floors I heard a girl say "if I'd done that (referring to ASD) I'd have never come here". :-/


:| Who commits to a school without visiting first?

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Postby babyxballerina » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:37 am

sanjola wrote:
:| Who commits to a school without visiting first?


+1

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Postby aresdude » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:19 am

mip1011 wrote:
tony2167 wrote:Went to the ASD a couple days ago and wasn't impressed at all. While we were walking through one of the classroom floors I heard a girl say "if I'd done that (referring to ASD) I'd have never come here". :-/


I felt the same way after leaving, granted I had to catch a flight so I couldn't stay for the alcohol and food at the end. I was split between Cardozo and Brooklyn, and left the ASD ready to commit to Brooklyn.

As to the question of what specifically was wrong with the school, I'm not entirely sure. The way everyone talked about the school honestly felt kind of insincere, as if current students were trying to convince themselves that they had made the right choice by encouraging us to come to school there. I didn't think about it too much right after, because generally I knew I liked the environment of BLS better and that's where I would be going.


I believe this particular forum shouldn't be the place for BLS people to convince themselves that BLS is the better choice against Cardozo.

This is especially the case as you can't specifically say what was wrong with the school or why you prefer BLS besides the fact that you just knew you liked it better.

If you need to make yourself feel better about your choice, please do it in the BLS acceptance thread.

edit: let me add that it is very clear from mip's post history that mip is choosing BLS as they gave him a 41k scholarship (which is a decision I am totally respectful of), but is now trying very hard to justify that BLS is a better place because his financial situation dictates him going there. Check for yourselves.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby mip1011 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:05 am

aresdude wrote:
mip1011 wrote:
tony2167 wrote:Went to the ASD a couple days ago and wasn't impressed at all. While we were walking through one of the classroom floors I heard a girl say "if I'd done that (referring to ASD) I'd have never come here". :-/


I felt the same way after leaving, granted I had to catch a flight so I couldn't stay for the alcohol and food at the end. I was split between Cardozo and Brooklyn, and left the ASD ready to commit to Brooklyn.

As to the question of what specifically was wrong with the school, I'm not entirely sure. The way everyone talked about the school honestly felt kind of insincere, as if current students were trying to convince themselves that they had made the right choice by encouraging us to come to school there. I didn't think about it too much right after, because generally I knew I liked the environment of BLS better and that's where I would be going.


I believe this particular forum shouldn't be the place for BLS people to convince themselves that BLS is the better choice against Cardozo.

This is especially the case as you can't specifically say what was wrong with the school or why you prefer BLS besides the fact that you just knew you liked it better.

If you need to make yourself feel better about your choice, please do it in the BLS acceptance thread.

edit: let me add that it is very clear from mip's post history that mip is choosing BLS as they gave him a 41k scholarship (which is a decision I am totally respectful of), but is now trying very hard to justify that BLS is a better place because his financial situation dictates him going there. Check for yourselves.


Everything you said about me is right, other than my financial situation dictating where I go (which a person wouldn't know from my posts). I just saw someone else's comments about the ASD being similar to mine, and wanted to say that it wasn't a single person's opinion. In fact, as I was leaving the ASD I bummed a cigarette from another admitted student who felt the same way I did about Cardozo after that day.

If anyone wants, they can look in my post history for my recent posts to BLS's thread, and they can see that I said that it's a personal choice that people should make based on how they feel about both of the schools. Definitely visit make the choice based on that. BLS works for me, even thought I was set on going to Cardozo throughout most of this admissions cycle, and that's what I realized last week.

And aresdude, I don't need to make myself feel better about my choice by posting here, I'm pretty happy about it. Because I'm going to a school that I like, just like I recommend everyone else does, whether that is Cardozo, Brooklyn, or any other school they decide to go to.

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Postby danitt » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:36 am

sanjola wrote:
tony2167 wrote:Went to the ASD a couple days ago and wasn't impressed at all. While we were walking through one of the classroom floors I heard a girl say "if I'd done that (referring to ASD) I'd have never come here". :-/


:| Who commits to a school without visiting first?

A lot of people. I can think of many, many internationals who can only rely on the internet for info on their schools.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby aresdude » Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:53 pm

mip1011 wrote:
aresdude wrote:
mip1011 wrote:
tony2167 wrote:Went to the ASD a couple days ago and wasn't impressed at all. While we were walking through one of the classroom floors I heard a girl say "if I'd done that (referring to ASD) I'd have never come here". :-/


I felt the same way after leaving, granted I had to catch a flight so I couldn't stay for the alcohol and food at the end. I was split between Cardozo and Brooklyn, and left the ASD ready to commit to Brooklyn.

As to the question of what specifically was wrong with the school, I'm not entirely sure. The way everyone talked about the school honestly felt kind of insincere, as if current students were trying to convince themselves that they had made the right choice by encouraging us to come to school there. I didn't think about it too much right after, because generally I knew I liked the environment of BLS better and that's where I would be going.


I believe this particular forum shouldn't be the place for BLS people to convince themselves that BLS is the better choice against Cardozo.

This is especially the case as you can't specifically say what was wrong with the school or why you prefer BLS besides the fact that you just knew you liked it better.

If you need to make yourself feel better about your choice, please do it in the BLS acceptance thread.

edit: let me add that it is very clear from mip's post history that mip is choosing BLS as they gave him a 41k scholarship (which is a decision I am totally respectful of), but is now trying very hard to justify that BLS is a better place because his financial situation dictates him going there. Check for yourselves.


Everything you said about me is right, other than my financial situation dictating where I go (which a person wouldn't know from my posts). I just saw someone else's comments about the ASD being similar to mine, and wanted to say that it wasn't a single person's opinion. In fact, as I was leaving the ASD I bummed a cigarette from another admitted student who felt the same way I did about Cardozo after that day.

If anyone wants, they can look in my post history for my recent posts to BLS's thread, and they can see that I said that it's a personal choice that people should make based on how they feel about both of the schools. Definitely visit make the choice based on that. BLS works for me, even thought I was set on going to Cardozo throughout most of this admissions cycle, and that's what I realized last week.

And aresdude, I don't need to make myself feel better about my choice by posting here, I'm pretty happy about it. Because I'm going to a school that I like, just like I recommend everyone else does, whether that is Cardozo, Brooklyn, or any other school they decide to go to.


You have to understand that when you post in a Cardozo thread that you don't like Cardozo and can't articulate why, aka "As to the question of what specifically was wrong with the school, I'm not entirely sure.", and then promote BLS, then people are gonna think you are acting in a self conscious matter about your decision.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby AssociateX » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:53 am

JayJones78 wrote:
LetsGoRangers wrote:
JayJones78 wrote:
LetsGoRangers wrote:I find it really surprising that Dozo doesn't negotiate schollies from BLS. It is pretty lame they due this on the count of USNWR rankings. I think Dozo's truest peer school is BLS.

I am from NYC and have spoken to many lawyers about the two schools. Although this is pretty anecdotal most lawyers view them as the same caliber of school and some even considered BLS the better school. (These are booomer lawyers for the most part though FWIW) They are okay schools if you want to stay in NYC but using the USNWR report to pick a school is silly. Go to the school that is the best fit for for you and reduces the amount of debt. I would not pay that much more to go to Dozo over BLS.

Edit: Most Boomers did not have the option of attending Cardozo bc it's a newer school.


The thing is, it doesn't really matter what those lawyers things unless they are hiring partners. Everything I'v read and with everyone iv talked to, hiring partners do not see the two schools the same.


Yes they were hiring partners from NYC law firms. My dad is a senior partner at a well-respected midsized firm. Not trying to be an ass just trying to impart that I have valuable wisdom on the subject. I have some pretty sound advice from some lawlyers.


Not thinking you're an ass at all. My take on Cardozo is that if you go there, prepare to be to top 20% or maybe higher for a good outcome. If you're in that range my thinking is that you'll get nyc, most likely biglaw. If you're not there, you're in a huge bind.


Just had to jump in here. I am a BLS grad and I have sat on hiring committees at law firms. All the firms I worked for regarded BLS and Cardozo equally. BLS edged out Cardozo in terms of clinics (this was when I was a student in the early 2000s) which may provide an advantage in terms of jobs, but the pecking order in NYC is (1) NYU/Columbia 2)Fordham 3) BLS/Cardozo/St Johns/Hofstra 4)NYLS, Pace, Touro, CUNY.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby baddabing27 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:37 am

In my mind St. Johns and Hofstra are a distinct level below BLS/Cardozo. Am I way off base here? I didn't even apply to St. J and H.

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby gatorgirl2012 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:12 am

On a tangent, has anyone tried negotiating schollys at a t30 with money from t2 schools like cardozo? I know it's a totally different world, but Cardozo gave me double what I was offered at a t30 so I thought it would be worth a shot negotiating, given the staggering difference. Thoughts?

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby JayJones78 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:30 am

gatorgirl2012 wrote:On a tangent, has anyone tried negotiating schollys at a t30 with money from t2 schools like cardozo? I know it's a totally different world, but Cardozo gave me double what I was offered at a t30 so I thought it would be worth a shot negotiating, given the staggering difference. Thoughts?


We had a long discussion on this one or two pages ago. Check it out

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby gatorgirl2012 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:34 am

JayJones78 wrote:
gatorgirl2012 wrote:On a tangent, has anyone tried negotiating schollys at a t30 with money from t2 schools like cardozo? I know it's a totally different world, but Cardozo gave me double what I was offered at a t30 so I thought it would be worth a shot negotiating, given the staggering difference. Thoughts?


We had a long discussion on this one or two pages ago. Check it out


thanks :)

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Re: Cardozo c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Poodle222 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:15 pm

has there been much mvmt on the waitlist for fall or may? app, WL and final answer dates




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