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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:07 am

UT 3L here. Wanted to add my congrats to those already accepted and to wish the best of luck to those interviewing and still waiting to hear back.

JXander wrote:
emkay625 wrote:Congrats to all of the interviews and acceptances over the last few days! 1L here. Let me know if you have questions.

Why did you pick TX over other schools to which you were accepted?
How do you like the faculty?


I know this was directed at emkay, but I hope it's alright if I chime in too.

I chose UT with around a 2/3 discount on the instate cost over UVA at half cost and Northwestern at sticker. The decision for me mainly came down to 1) wanting to limit debt, 2) wanting to work in TX after graduation, and 3) having a soft spot for Austin and being somewhat close to all my family and friends (who are spread are Texas). It's undeniable that Texas firms will go somewhat deeper in class rank for people at UVA, but that would have meant paying around 50K more overall for that benefit. It wasn't an easy decision by any means, but I think the idea of less debt and Austin made UT come out on top for me. It ended up turning out to be a great decision--I'm fortunate to have done well and I'll be at a firm in TX where I'm really excited to go to after graduation. Also, Austin has been an absolutely great place to live for three years.

As for the faculty: I think they're great. I'm sure this is true at plenty of other places too, but I was very happy with how good the professors have been at actually teaching. (For some reason, I wasn't sure that professors could be both great teachers and great scholars--but I've been lucky enough to take classes from a good chunk of professors that fit that description.)

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby JXander » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:27 am

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:UT 3L here. Wanted to add my congrats to those already accepted and to wish the best of luck to those interviewing and still waiting to hear back.

JXander wrote:
emkay625 wrote:Congrats to all of the interviews and acceptances over the last few days! 1L here. Let me know if you have questions.

Why did you pick TX over other schools to which you were accepted?
How do you like the faculty?


I know this was directed at emkay, but I hope it's alright if I chime in too.

I chose UT with around a 2/3 discount on the instate cost over UVA at half cost and Northwestern at sticker. The decision for me mainly came down to 1) wanting to limit debt, 2) wanting to work in TX after graduation, and 3) having a soft spot for Austin and being somewhat close to all my family and friends (who are spread are Texas). It's undeniable that Texas firms will go somewhat deeper in class rank for people at UVA, but that would have meant paying around 50K more overall for that benefit. It wasn't an easy decision by any means, but I think the idea of less debt and Austin made UT come out on top for me. It ended up turning out to be a great decision--I'm fortunate to have done well and I'll be at a firm in TX where I'm really excited to go to after graduation. Also, Austin has been an absolutely great place to live for three years.

As for the faculty: I think they're great. I'm sure this is true at plenty of other places too, but I was very happy with how good the professors have been at actually teaching. (For some reason, I wasn't sure that professors could be both great teachers and great scholars--but I've been lucky enough to take classes from a good chunk of professors that fit that description.)

Awesome! I was hoping a 3L would jump in. What you wrote was fantastic.

Were/are you involved in any particular programs and/or organizations? If so, how did/do you enjoy them and feel they contribute(d) to your particular learning environment? What did you feel was unique about the school, aside from location, that made you enjoy learning the law?

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby heyman86us » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:58 am

hobie2515 wrote:
You and I appear fairly similar. I'm 3.26/167 also in state/non URM. Hope it works out for both of us.


hobie2515, did you receive the interview opportunity e-mail?

Thanks,

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby timeandspace11 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:11 am

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:UT 3L here. Wanted to add my congrats to those already accepted and to wish the best of luck to those interviewing and still waiting to hear back.

JXander wrote:
emkay625 wrote:Congrats to all of the interviews and acceptances over the last few days! 1L here. Let me know if you have questions.

Why did you pick TX over other schools to which you were accepted?
How do you like the faculty?


I know this was directed at emkay, but I hope it's alright if I chime in too.

I chose UT with around a 2/3 discount on the instate cost over UVA at half cost and Northwestern at sticker. The decision for me mainly came down to 1) wanting to limit debt, 2) wanting to work in TX after graduation, and 3) having a soft spot for Austin and being somewhat close to all my family and friends (who are spread are Texas). It's undeniable that Texas firms will go somewhat deeper in class rank for people at UVA, but that would have meant paying around 50K more overall for that benefit. It wasn't an easy decision by any means, but I think the idea of less debt and Austin made UT come out on top for me. It ended up turning out to be a great decision--I'm fortunate to have done well and I'll be at a firm in TX where I'm really excited to go to after graduation. Also, Austin has been an absolutely great place to live for three years.

As for the faculty: I think they're great. I'm sure this is true at plenty of other places too, but I was very happy with how good the professors have been at actually teaching. (For some reason, I wasn't sure that professors could be both great teachers and great scholars--but I've been lucky enough to take classes from a good chunk of professors that fit that description.)


Would you say most UT law students stay in Austin after they graduate or got to other cities in Texas such as Houston and Dallas?

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby hobie2515 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:17 am

heyman86us wrote:
hobie2515 wrote:
You and I appear fairly similar. I'm 3.26/167 also in state/non URM. Hope it works out for both of us.


hobie2515, did you receive the interview opportunity e-mail?

Thanks,


I didn't, though I just went complete 1/25. I don't know if I should or shouldn't be expecting such an email. Honestly I wasn't giving myself much of a chance at UT, though one can hope. Can anyone elaborate on the "Why Texas" letter for splitters?

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby shifty_eyed » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:49 am

JXander wrote:
shifty_eyed wrote:...they seem to be trying to avoid the yield problem of last cycle this time around (I suspect that's why they are doing interviews).

What does this mean? Would you mind elaborating?


Their entering class this fall was 300, down from 375. They probably only want to admit borderline candidates if they will definitely attend. Going to Austin to interview shows serious commitment, and they can find out during the interview how badly you want to go to UT.

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby smorgs2010 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:14 am

Just wanted to join the celebration on this thread! I got my scholarship letter today and, wow! Echoing the sentiment of another scholarship recipient above, UT is going to be hard to beat! I was accepted to NYU earlier this month, but now, three years of UT will cost less than one year at NYU - and that's ONLY tuition - no consideration of living expenses!

(Pretty funny article I stumbled upon regarding this: http://thecareerist.typepad.com/thecare ... iving.html)

I'm already in Austin (and love it here), and I plan to settle down in this great state with my fiance, a San Antonio native who just adores everything Texas. Go Longhorns, congrats to all the other admits, and good luck to all those waiting!

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby timeandspace11 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:25 am

smorgs2010 wrote:Just wanted to join the celebration on this thread! I got my scholarship letter today and, wow! Echoing the sentiment of another scholarship recipient above, UT is going to be hard to beat! I was accepted to NYU earlier this month, but now, three years of UT will cost less than one year at NYU - and that's ONLY tuition - no consideration of living expenses!

(Pretty funny article I stumbled upon regarding this: http://thecareerist.typepad.com/thecare ... iving.html)

I'm already in Austin (and love it here), and I plan to settle down in this great state with my fiance, a San Antonio native who just adores everything Texas. Go Longhorns, congrats to all the other admits, and good luck to all those waiting!



Congrats!! You have some great numbers. Im hoping to get some scholly money myself. How long did it take you to receive your scholarship info after you were accepted?

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby WokeUpInACar » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:30 am

timeandspace11 wrote:
Richie Tenenbaum wrote:UT 3L here. Wanted to add my congrats to those already accepted and to wish the best of luck to those interviewing and still waiting to hear back.

JXander wrote:
emkay625 wrote:Congrats to all of the interviews and acceptances over the last few days! 1L here. Let me know if you have questions.

Why did you pick TX over other schools to which you were accepted?
How do you like the faculty?


I know this was directed at emkay, but I hope it's alright if I chime in too.

I chose UT with around a 2/3 discount on the instate cost over UVA at half cost and Northwestern at sticker. The decision for me mainly came down to 1) wanting to limit debt, 2) wanting to work in TX after graduation, and 3) having a soft spot for Austin and being somewhat close to all my family and friends (who are spread are Texas). It's undeniable that Texas firms will go somewhat deeper in class rank for people at UVA, but that would have meant paying around 50K more overall for that benefit. It wasn't an easy decision by any means, but I think the idea of less debt and Austin made UT come out on top for me. It ended up turning out to be a great decision--I'm fortunate to have done well and I'll be at a firm in TX where I'm really excited to go to after graduation. Also, Austin has been an absolutely great place to live for three years.

As for the faculty: I think they're great. I'm sure this is true at plenty of other places too, but I was very happy with how good the professors have been at actually teaching. (For some reason, I wasn't sure that professors could be both great teachers and great scholars--but I've been lucky enough to take classes from a good chunk of professors that fit that description.)


Would you say most UT law students stay in Austin after they graduate or got to other cities in Texas such as Houston and Dallas?

I don't want to answer for him, but I live with UT law students, and I've always heard that finding a decent job in Austin is extremely difficult. The legal market isn't that huge here and everyone wants to live here, so the jobs here are very competitive. Way more students end up in Houston or Dallas from what I've seen.

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:55 am

JXander wrote:
Richie Tenenbaum wrote:UT 3L here. Wanted to add my congrats to those already accepted and to wish the best of luck to those interviewing and still waiting to hear back.

JXander wrote:
emkay625 wrote:Congrats to all of the interviews and acceptances over the last few days! 1L here. Let me know if you have questions.

Why did you pick TX over other schools to which you were accepted?
How do you like the faculty?


I know this was directed at emkay, but I hope it's alright if I chime in too.

I chose UT with around a 2/3 discount on the instate cost over UVA at half cost and Northwestern at sticker. The decision for me mainly came down to 1) wanting to limit debt, 2) wanting to work in TX after graduation, and 3) having a soft spot for Austin and being somewhat close to all my family and friends (who are spread are Texas). It's undeniable that Texas firms will go somewhat deeper in class rank for people at UVA, but that would have meant paying around 50K more overall for that benefit. It wasn't an easy decision by any means, but I think the idea of less debt and Austin made UT come out on top for me. It ended up turning out to be a great decision--I'm fortunate to have done well and I'll be at a firm in TX where I'm really excited to go to after graduation. Also, Austin has been an absolutely great place to live for three years.

As for the faculty: I think they're great. I'm sure this is true at plenty of other places too, but I was very happy with how good the professors have been at actually teaching. (For some reason, I wasn't sure that professors could be both great teachers and great scholars--but I've been lucky enough to take classes from a good chunk of professors that fit that description.)

Awesome! I was hoping a 3L would jump in. What you wrote was fantastic.

Were/are you involved in any particular programs and/or organizations? If so, how did/do you enjoy them and feel they contribute(d) to your particular learning environment? What did you feel was unique about the school, aside from location, that made you enjoy learning the law?


It's hard for me to say what's unique about UT law, since it's the only law school I've attended. Based on TLS and things I've heard from people at other law schools, I would think that law schools can be pretty similar. I really like that UT has an atmosphere that is pretty much anti-gunner--there's a social pressure not be be a dickwad in class; I think that can differ some from school to school (UVA seemed to be pretty similar to UT in this regard). While I have plenty of good things to say about UT, I think it would disingenuous to go through a bunch of talking points that I'm sure are true at plenty of other schools too. I think your decision to go to law school should focus primarily on 1) cost and 2) employment prospects (specific to what you want to do after law school and where). Secondary stuff can be things like city and school environment, but things like clinics, programs, and organizations are going to be similar at most schools (with larger schools having some advantage is terms of variety).

As for particular programs or organizations I took part of: 1Ls are dividing into four different large sections, with each section having 4 small sections. There are 8 different societies (2 from each large section). There are activities with your small section (my small section was a little under 25, but we had around 385 students in our class), which are organized by your small group mentor (a 2L or 3L), and there are activities with your large group. It's actually a pretty great way to connect people in a larger school--you'll be having all your classes with your small group, and then all the large classes will be then with the entire large section of ~100 people (or whatever the number is). I didn't do much in terms of programs or organizations outside of the small section or society stuff (oh, forgot to mention, flag football happens with your small section in the fall, which can be really fun), but I don't really like the feeling of juggling multiple things. That said, I knew plenty of other 1Ls getting involved in different things that they really enjoyed (and made law school more enjoyable for them). People work differently--being involved in a lot of organizations as a 1L would probably have just stressed me out, but I know some people that joined multiple organizations and took on responsibility so they could actually destress from law school. It's funny how things can have the opposite effect on people.

timeandspace11 wrote:
Would you say most UT law students stay in Austin after they graduate or got to other cities in Texas such as Houston and Dallas?


Austin is a pretty tiny legal market--it's hard to get no matter where you go to school (maybe HYS with strong Austin specific ties would be in decent shape) since there's not that many jobs to go around and a ton of people want those jobs, since it means living in Austin. UT does well in Austin, especially compared to most T14 schools, but it's not by no means where most grads go. I would think that the largest groups go to Houston and Dallas (both legal markets are way bigger than Austin), then some to NYC, some to CA, etc.

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Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:57 am

WokeUpInACar wrote:
timeandspace11 wrote:Would you say most UT law students stay in Austin after they graduate or got to other cities in Texas such as Houston and Dallas?

I don't want to answer for him, but I live with UT law students, and I've always heard that finding a decent job in Austin is extremely difficult. The legal market isn't that huge here and everyone wants to live here, so the jobs here are very competitive. Way more students end up in Houston or Dallas from what I've seen.


^Yeah, this.

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby JXander » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:36 am

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:Austin is a pretty tiny legal market

Good to know... I've heard that a good portion of UT'ers end up in Houston.
Richie Tenenbaum wrote:As for particular programs or organizations I took part of: 1Ls are dividing into four different large sections, with each section having 4 small sections. There are 8 different societies (2 from each large section). There are activities with your small section (my small section was a little under 25, but we had around 385 students in our class), which are organized by your small group mentor (a 2L or 3L), and there are activities with your large group. It's actually a pretty great way to connect people in a larger school--you'll be having all your classes with your small group, and then all the large classes will be then with the entire large section of ~100 people (or whatever the number is). I didn't do much in terms of programs or organizations outside of the small section or society stuff (oh, forgot to mention, flag football happens with your small section in the fall, which can be really fun), but I don't really like the feeling of juggling multiple things. That said, I knew plenty of other 1Ls getting involved in different things that they really enjoyed (and made law school more enjoyable for them). People work differently--being involved in a lot of organizations as a 1L would probably have just stressed me out, but I know some people that joined multiple organizations and took on responsibility so they could actually destress from law school. It's funny how things can have the opposite effect on people.

I've heard about this and it sounds great! Thanks for sharing.

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Postby WaitingandHopeful » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:42 am

Ding via 5 AM email

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Postby aep1989 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:44 am

Also dinged via email this morning, guess the decline in applications didn't help my low numbers. Good luck to everyone else still waiting.

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Postby nba101790 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:46 am

Still not complete after submitting on 1/14.

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Re: University of TEXAS c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 cycle)

Postby StylinNProfilin » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:51 am

Could any of the current students speak to placement in NYC? I'm aware theres a NYC job fair. Obviously t14/fordham places better than UT in NYC, but would u say its as difficult as landing as Austin? Thanks!

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Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:57 am

StylinNProfilin wrote:Could any of the current students speak to placement in NYC? I'm aware theres a NYC job fair on campus. Obviously t14/fordham places better than UT in NYC, but would u say its as difficult as landing as Austin? Thanks!


I know a decent amount of people going to New York, with probably a decent range of GPAs. I don't know too much, since I was never interested in NYC, but it's most certainly easier than Austin.

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Postby StylinNProfilin » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:02 pm

Thanks thats great to hear, yeah I spoke with a recent alum who reiterated the responses that Austin is extremely difficult to land with such a small market.

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Postby StylinNProfilin » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:04 pm

any thoughts on the new dean?

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Postby BigZuck » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:18 pm

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:
StylinNProfilin wrote:Could any of the current students speak to placement in NYC? I'm aware theres a NYC job fair on campus. Obviously t14/fordham places better than UT in NYC, but would u say its as difficult as landing as Austin? Thanks!


I know a decent amount of people going to New York, with probably a decent range of GPAs. I don't know too much, since I was never interested in NYC, but it's most certainly easier than Austin.


Richie- how about California? I'm more interested in Northern CA but would be open to LA as well.

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Postby Bucketseat » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:23 pm

To piggy-back off the latest round of questions ... how are the job prospects in D.C.?

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Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:03 pm

StylinNProfilin wrote:any thoughts on the new dean?


I think he's doing a good job, but it's doubtful that any student will be able to give you much of an assessment on how he's doing after less than a year. He seems to care (and know) about the state of the legal economy and he wants to try and maximize job prospects for students--but since it's been such a short time, it's way too early to say if he's succeeding on that front or not.

BigZuck wrote:
Richie- how about California? I'm more interested in Northern CA but would be open to LA as well.


I know people going to California, but I really don't know how easy or hard it was for them. Maybe other UT 2Ls or 3Ls can chime in on this point?

Bucketseat wrote:To piggy-back off the latest round of questions ... how are the job prospects in D.C.?


Basically same answer, with the caveat that D.C. has generally been a bloodbath since the economy tanked. So I would assume it wouldn't be easy, but that applies to most law schools.


Maybe it would be better to guide these questions where more current UT students might look? I know there are a few 2Ls and 3Ls from UT who regularly post on TLS, but they might not be checking the applicants thread. (And 1Ls too! But they might not be able to talk about legal hiring as much.)

I would suggest for those interested in asking more UT question to go here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87028&start=300 (it's the most recent UT Students taking Q's thread I could find, but it will probably attract more current students than this thread). (I'll still be trying to answer questions on both threads.)

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Postby philosoraptor » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:52 pm

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:Maybe it would be better to guide these questions where more current UT students might look? I know there are a few 2Ls and 3Ls from UT who regularly post on TLS, but they might not be checking the applicants thread. (And 1Ls too! But they might not be able to talk about legal hiring as much.)

I would suggest for those interested in asking more UT question to go here: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... &start=300 (it's the most recent UT Students taking Q's thread I could find, but it will probably attract more current students than this thread). (I'll still be trying to answer questions on both threads.)
Another Texas 3L here -- I agree with pretty much everything Richie has said. I've also been fielding a few questions in the c/o 2016 thread (viewtopic.php?f=33&t=200214) but am happy to answer questions in any of the UT threads.

I thought the society program was great for 1Ls, but people tend to find their own groups after 1L year. I really liked my small section; we didn't have any real gunners, and Richie's right that there's social pressure not to be annoying. But of course every 1L section and every extracurricular group has its own culture and reputation for being chill or gunnerish or somewhere in between. As for faculty, I've been generally pleased. UT seems to cultivate people who have significant practice experience and are still involved in real-world stuff in addition to hard-core academics. The new dean seems promising so far.

UT can get you pretty much anywhere you want to go after graduation, if you have the right ties. I know or have heard of people going to almost all of the major markets, though now that I think about it, I'm not sure I can name anyone going to a big D.C. firm. But a bunch of them interview here, and there are external interview programs in a lot of cities. I ended up in a secondary market where almost no one from UT goes, but people there told me they appreciated the value/prestige of a UT degree. The one area where I'd say they need serious improvement is non-Texas public interest. If you're set on doing public interest or bigfed in D.C., somewhere like Georgetown might be a better fit. Also, as you may have noticed, tuition is getting out of control. Can't say I would recommend someone come here from out of state without a significant scholarship.

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Postby boris78 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:26 pm

I wanted to add this. I'm a law school applicant (to Texas and others) but I know a fair amount about the legal market from my wife, who is a Texas Law graduate (2006). She has done phenomenally well - two judicial clerkships (one state, one federal) and now is with the US DOJ in Washington. Texas Law is not going to hold you back, inside or outside Texas. But I do agree with one of the earlier posters -- the initial first year of out of state tuition is pretty insane at Texas now and the value is starting to change a little. But having said that, most public schools seem to be going the same direction. (Have you seen Berkeley's tuition?? INSANE!)

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