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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:13 pm

Finally caught up on Suits. With the way they talk about Harvard, you'd think it was like winning the lottery! Scary, scary.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby eyfl » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:04 pm

carboncopyx wrote:Finally caught up on Suits. With the way they talk about Harvard, you'd think it was like winning the lottery! Scary, scary.


After hearing about that reject pile I got even more nervous (despite the fact it's TV and probably has zero in common with reality).

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:07 pm

eyfl wrote:
carboncopyx wrote:Finally caught up on Suits. With the way they talk about Harvard, you'd think it was like winning the lottery! Scary, scary.


After hearing about that reject pile I got even more nervous (despite the fact it's TV and probably has zero in common with reality).

Right?? Yale, magna cum laude; Georgetown, summa cum laude... rejected. Probably overblown, but it still was scary.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby az21833 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:12 pm

carboncopyx wrote:
eyfl wrote:
carboncopyx wrote:Finally caught up on Suits. With the way they talk about Harvard, you'd think it was like winning the lottery! Scary, scary.


After hearing about that reject pile I got even more nervous (despite the fact it's TV and probably has zero in common with reality).

Right?? Yale, magna cum laude; Georgetown, summa cum laude... rejected. Probably overblown, but it still was scary.


could be realistic. all depends that that three-digit score

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby az21833 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:19 pm

is there a seperate timetable for the gap between js1 and js2 for URM? if so, i am born again! if not then i am :cry: :cry:

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby vzapana » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:53 pm

az21833 wrote:is there a seperate timetable for the gap between js1 and js2 for URM? if so, i am born again! if not then i am :cry: :cry:


There isn't a ton of data on LSN ; only about 45 applicants who were admitted to H2016 have included their JS1 and JS2 dates. So take these medians with a grain of salt. (Also, I'm re-emphasizing the point that these are applicants who WERE ADMITTED, not all JS1s.)

For non-URM applicants, the median wait is 9 days. The mean was 10 days.
For URM applicants, the median and mean are 21 days. (I have no more than a handful of data points for URM candidates, so this median and mean are incredibly suspect.)
Altogether, the median wait is 10 days. The mean is 13 days.

For November JS1s, the medan wait time was 12 days. The mean was 15 days.
For December JS1s, the median wait time was 8 days. The mean was 10 days
For January JS1s, the median wait time was 12 days. The mean was 14 days.

Hope this helps!

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Postby drosth » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:27 pm

What should I be expecting if I've not had my JS1, but have been put on hold? I'm guessing a ding, but don't understand why they'd bother to put me on hold first and not just get it over with...

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby az21833 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:44 pm

vzapana wrote:
az21833 wrote:is there a seperate timetable for the gap between js1 and js2 for URM? if so, i am born again! if not then i am :cry: :cry:


There isn't a ton of data on LSN ; only about 45 applicants who were admitted to H2016 have included their JS1 and JS2 dates. So take these medians with a grain of salt. (Also, I'm re-emphasizing the point that these are applicants who WERE ADMITTED, not all JS1s.)

For non-URM applicants, the median wait is 9 days. The mean was 10 days.
For URM applicants, the median and mean are 21 days. (I have no more than a handful of data points for URM candidates, so this median and mean are incredibly suspect.)
Altogether, the median wait is 10 days. The mean is 13 days.

For November JS1s, the medan wait time was 12 days. The mean was 15 days.
For December JS1s, the median wait time was 8 days. The mean was 10 days
For January JS1s, the median wait time was 12 days. The mean was 14 days.

Hope this helps!


eek. Tuesday will be 11 for me. the sweet spot. very helpful, thank you!

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:39 pm

az21833 wrote:
vzapana wrote:
az21833 wrote:is there a seperate timetable for the gap between js1 and js2 for URM? if so, i am born again! if not then i am :cry: :cry:


There isn't a ton of data on LSN ; only about 45 applicants who were admitted to H2016 have included their JS1 and JS2 dates. So take these medians with a grain of salt. (Also, I'm re-emphasizing the point that these are applicants who WERE ADMITTED, not all JS1s.)

For non-URM applicants, the median wait is 9 days. The mean was 10 days.
For URM applicants, the median and mean are 21 days. (I have no more than a handful of data points for URM candidates, so this median and mean are incredibly suspect.)
Altogether, the median wait is 10 days. The mean is 13 days.

For November JS1s, the medan wait time was 12 days. The mean was 15 days.
For December JS1s, the median wait time was 8 days. The mean was 10 days
For January JS1s, the median wait time was 12 days. The mean was 14 days.

Hope this helps!


eek. Tuesday will be 11 for me. the sweet spot. very helpful, thank you!


He didn't tell us anything about february JS1s... its probably cuz we never get in. Hopefully its the same/shorter!

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby pedestrian » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:26 am

Sorry for the late update, but JS1 on Friday!!!

I would probably be the lowest GPA ever admitted at Harvard, so I'm not even sure how I got this far - but at least I can go on pretending I have a chance!

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby broadstreet11 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:35 am

drosth wrote:What should I be expecting if I've not had my JS1, but have been put on hold? I'm guessing a ding, but don't understand why they'd bother to put me on hold first and not just get it over with...


In the same place. They've already started pulling from the hold pile, which is a month earlier than last year. I imagine they held a lot of people due to uncertainty about this class, but the historical prospects don't look too good for us.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby eleemosynary2 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:07 pm

pedestrian wrote:Sorry for the late update, but JS1 on Friday!!!

I would probably be the lowest GPA ever admitted at Harvard, so I'm not even sure how I got this far - but at least I can go on pretending I have a chance!


I actually think you're in a good place. They only gave you an interview because they looked beyond the numbers to see a really compelling applicant and individual. Your interview is just an opportunity to confirm that for them - you probably have less to be worried about than a 175/3.9 K-JD.

Have fun with it!

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:13 pm

eleemosynary2 wrote:I actually think you're in a good place. They only gave you an interview because they looked beyond the numbers to see a really compelling applicant and individual. Your interview is just an opportunity to confirm that for them - you probably have less to be worried about than a 175/3.9 K-JD.

Does HLS have a slight bias against K-JDs? (Nowhere near as much as Northwestern, of course, but curious as to if it's viewed more favorably to have full-time WE for the HLS adcomm.)

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:22 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:From here:
12% hold advanced degrees
76% at least 1 year out of college
54% 2+ years out of college

Yeah, but that means very little unless we also have the composition of the applicants. It could just be that fewer K-JDs apply than those with advanced degrees/years out of college. I'm more curious as to how the admitted demographic relates to the applicant demographic (i.e. if 50% of applicants are K-JD but only 24% of the admitted class are K-JD, that tells me a lot). It seems unlikely that this would be publicly available, but if anyone had any anecdotal experiences or conversations with JS, that'd be enlightening.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:23 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
carboncopyx wrote:Does HLS have a slight bias against K-JDs? (Nowhere near as much as Northwestern, of course, but curious as to if it's viewed more favorably to have full-time WE for the HLS adcomm.)

From here:
12% hold advanced degrees
76% at least 1 year out of college
54% 2+ years out of college


This proves nothing! But I remember that one of HYS (at least) blogged that they don't have a bias towards it so much as their experience has indicated that people 1+ years out of undergrad are more mature and have a more complex view on life, which shines through in their personal statement.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby sabanist » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:25 pm

carboncopyx wrote:
eleemosynary2 wrote:I actually think you're in a good place. They only gave you an interview because they looked beyond the numbers to see a really compelling applicant and individual. Your interview is just an opportunity to confirm that for them - you probably have less to be worried about than a 175/3.9 K-JD.

Does HLS have a slight bias against K-JDs? (Nowhere near as much as Northwestern, of course, but curious as to if it's viewed more favorably to have full-time WE for the HLS adcomm.)

I don't know that it's a bias any more than it's a correlation between people with high GPAs and LSATs and people who take time off between UG and law school to work.
It didn't seem held against me whatsoever in my interview (beyond the seemingly standard "have you considered taking time off" question). I have a ton of part-time experience, though, including some legal work, so that may have balanced it out a little for me.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:29 pm

sabanist wrote:
carboncopyx wrote:
eleemosynary2 wrote:I actually think you're in a good place. They only gave you an interview because they looked beyond the numbers to see a really compelling applicant and individual. Your interview is just an opportunity to confirm that for them - you probably have less to be worried about than a 175/3.9 K-JD.

Does HLS have a slight bias against K-JDs? (Nowhere near as much as Northwestern, of course, but curious as to if it's viewed more favorably to have full-time WE for the HLS adcomm.)

I don't know that it's a bias any more than it's a correlation between people with high GPAs and LSATs and people who take time off between UG and law school to work.
It didn't seem held against me whatsoever in my interview (beyond the seemingly standard "have you considered taking time off" question). I have a ton of part-time experience, though, including some legal work, so that may have balanced it out a little for me.


Says the woman with a 4.17/177/LGBT. Puh-lease, get yo shit outta here. This is for REGULAR people :P

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby sabanist » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:37 pm

ManOfTheMinute wrote:Says the woman with a 4.17/177/LGBT. Puh-lease, get yo shit outta here. This is for REGULAR people :P

:lol:
flattered, but the point remains that my lack of work experience didn't seem like it was treated as a big negative independent of the rest of my application.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby wildeone » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:40 pm

First post. Wanted to join in on the waiting game. It's been about 4 weeks almost for me since my JS1. AA male 3.5/163 (numbers fudged a little). Good luck everyone and congrats to those who've been accepted!

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:41 pm

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
sabanist wrote:I don't know that it's a bias any more than it's a correlation between people with high GPAs and LSATs and people who take time off between UG and law school to work.
It didn't seem held against me whatsoever in my interview (beyond the seemingly standard "have you considered taking time off" question). I have a ton of part-time experience, though, including some legal work, so that may have balanced it out a little for me.


Says the woman with a 4.17/177/LGBT. Puh-lease, get yo shit outta here. This is for REGULAR people :P

Hahaha. Cosign. Also, generally older LSAT takers do less well than younger ones who are likely already accustomed to standardized test taking. Granted, HLS applicants probably do not reflect that general trend, but I don't think the difference can be attributed to more years out = higher GPA/LSAT. If it was just proportion of people who apply, that'd be fantastic news. I'm not sure how they will take my lack of full-time WE, but I guess we'll see.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby broadstreet11 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:57 pm

carboncopyx wrote:
eleemosynary2 wrote:I actually think you're in a good place. They only gave you an interview because they looked beyond the numbers to see a really compelling applicant and individual. Your interview is just an opportunity to confirm that for them - you probably have less to be worried about than a 175/3.9 K-JD.

Does HLS have a slight bias against K-JDs? (Nowhere near as much as Northwestern, of course, but curious as to if it's viewed more favorably to have full-time WE for the HLS adcomm.)


I would say that WE just gives you something else to talk about. It's an added bonus. No WE isn't necessarily a negative, you just don't have that extra bonus. At least that's what I tell my held K-JD self so I can sleep at night.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby sabanist » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:58 pm

I didn't mean to suggest that more time out means that people get a better LSAT score. More like, the kind of people who do absurdly well on the LSAT are also going to be the kind of people who do their research on law school and the legal market and perhaps try their hand at something else before taking the plunge. Does that make any more sense?

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