Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby housebro13 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:30 pm

clouded.memory wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Day 13 after my JS1 with no JS2s having gone out for my interview bracket..(you don't count worm!) and complete silence today?

you win Harvard, you win.

Same here. Maybe tomorrow?


Well wormfather went JS2 around 7pm.....

ok yeah I'm just going to go with tomorrow or Friday.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:31 pm

sinfiery wrote:
clouded.memory wrote:Same here. Maybe tomorrow?

I hope so. I remember there being interview spots almost all week, all day, from Tuesday on, that were eventually no longer available, so there are a good amount of people that interviewed...we definitely would have heard something here, I'd imagine.

No news is good news!

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby clouded.memory » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:33 pm

housebro13 wrote:
clouded.memory wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Day 13 after my JS1 with no JS2s having gone out for my interview bracket..(you don't count worm!) and complete silence today?

you win Harvard, you win.

Same here. Maybe tomorrow?


Well wormfather went JS2 around 7pm.....

ok yeah I'm just going to go with tomorrow or Friday.

Ok, I guess I will continue to hold on hoping, then...

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby sinfiery » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:35 pm

carboncopyx wrote:No news is good news!

Yes, I will attempt to adopt this mindset for 24 hours! But after that, all bets are off :P

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:57 pm

Wormfather wrote:Shall I call JS and see what's up? I mean she called me and gave me the best news Ivr ever gotten last week so we should totes be phone buddies at the least now. Right ?

Yes. Tell her that I am offering to name my firstborn (male or female) after her.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby syr1990 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:01 pm

Do people that apply this late in the cycle even have a chance? Wanting to apply today (was discouraged earlier in the cycle because of my LSAT score), but have for some reason started to regret not applying. GPA right above 75th, LSAT well below 25th.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby syr1990 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:10 pm

Wormfather wrote:
syr1990 wrote:Do people that apply this late in the cycle even have a chance? Wanting to apply today (was discouraged earlier in the cycle because of my LSAT score), but have for some reason started to regret not applying. GPA right above 75th, LSAT well below 25th.


Time doesn't matter so much. Softs? URM? Non-trad?


non-urm and straight out of undergrad. Some pretty strong softs, and I think a great personal statement and rec letters. 99% sure i'll be dinged, but I don't know if I could live with myself not applying.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:11 pm

syr1990 wrote:non-urm and straight out of undergrad. Some pretty strong softs, and I think a great personal statement and rec letters. 99% sure i'll be dinged, but I don't know if I could live with myself not applying.

Then... do so? You're a KJD, so take heed--YOLO DGAF, second semester senior!

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby sinfiery » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:12 pm

Apply, quick! There is a chance. Goodluck my new nemesis.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby syr1990 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:45 pm

carboncopyx wrote:
syr1990 wrote:non-urm and straight out of undergrad. Some pretty strong softs, and I think a great personal statement and rec letters. 99% sure i'll be dinged, but I don't know if I could live with myself not applying.

Then... do so? You're a KJD, so take heed--YOLO DGAF, second semester senior!


Very true. Thanks for the encouragement!

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby syr1990 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:46 pm

sinfiery wrote:Apply, quick! There is a chance. Goodluck my new nemesis.


Thank you! And good luck to you as well.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Yukos » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:23 pm

On a related note, when these admission deans give you their "direct line," do people actually call them? I can't imagine calling JS and being like "what do you think, on-campus housing or off?"

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:36 pm

Yukos wrote:On a related note, when these admission deans give you their "direct line," do people actually call them? I can't imagine calling JS and being like "what do you think, on-campus housing or off?"


I can't imagine her giving me her direct line...

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Yukos » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:38 pm

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
Yukos wrote:On a related note, when these admission deans give you their "direct line," do people actually call them? I can't imagine calling JS and being like "what do you think, on-campus housing or off?"


I can't imagine her giving me her direct line...


She's not the only one who does that. I'm just asking in general do people ever take them up on that offer? I don't think I could think of a question meaningful enough to justify wasting an admission dean's time.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby vzapana » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:23 pm

Yukos wrote:
ManOfTheMinute wrote:
Yukos wrote:On a related note, when these admission deans give you their "direct line," do people actually call them? I can't imagine calling JS and being like "what do you think, on-campus housing or off?"


I can't imagine her giving me her direct line...


She's not the only one who does that. I'm just asking in general do people ever take them up on that offer? I don't think I could think of a question meaningful enough to justify wasting an admission dean's time.


i did use the direct line for dean deal at stanford; she was incredibly helpful, and she said she'd get back to me asap on the question for which she didn't have an answer. i don't think the adcomms are kidding if they give you their number. it's their job to market the school after they've admitted you.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:26 pm

vzapana wrote:
Yukos wrote:
ManOfTheMinute wrote:
Yukos wrote:On a related note, when these admission deans give you their "direct line," do people actually call them? I can't imagine calling JS and being like "what do you think, on-campus housing or off?"


I can't imagine her giving me her direct line...


She's not the only one who does that. I'm just asking in general do people ever take them up on that offer? I don't think I could think of a question meaningful enough to justify wasting an admission dean's time.


i did use the direct line for dean deal at stanford; she was incredibly helpful, and she said she'd get back to me asap on the question for which she didn't have an answer. i don't think the adcomms are kidding if they give you their number. it's their job to market the school after they've admitted you.


Has she gotten back to you? And thats a good point, especially at HYS where they want their yields to be as high as possible.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby twinkletoes16 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:40 pm

Come on Harvard, do SOMETHING this week. Preferably tomorrow or Thursday when I'm off work and can sit by my computer and refresh...

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby bellagio » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:55 pm

twinkletoes16 wrote:Come on Harvard, do SOMETHING this week. Preferably tomorrow or Thursday when I'm off work and can sit by my computer and refresh...


It feels like every time my phone buzzes for a new email, I jump. I'm starting to wonder if surviving the admissions process is the first test to becoming a lawyer.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby NoChainz » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:11 am

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:18 am

NoChainz wrote:Complete 11/20

I want to send in an updated resume (nominated for an award at work) and a LOCI (Why Harvard)-type statement. Any reason I shouldn't? My numbers are basically auto-reject and I'm assuming my strong softs have kept me in it, but I'd rather be sure I used all of the bullets in my holster if I have to go down.


IMHO, if you would get straight up rejected without an update, this update would not stop it. If you were going to get wait listed, you will have the opportunity to send these docs in. I think the JS would respond better to this kind of update if you do it once you get WLed than while you're waiting. Therefore, I just see the update doing more good if you wait until you get WLed (or JS1ed) to provide the info. Just the opinion of another dude waiting on a JS1 so take it with a block of salt

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby elterrible78 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:35 am

Hey guys.

Some of you may have seen some stats-based stuff I have been posting in other forums. I have been working a lot on it, trying to kill time while application decisions trickle in. Most of the stuff I did over the last couple days was based on the last cycle, or the last two cycles. I've started to put together individual school analysis based on ALL the available data on LSN now, so I'll post them to the corresponding school's threads. This would probably have been more useful/interesting for people a few months ago, but what the heck.

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This table is based on logistical regression analysis of data from Law School Numbers. It includes all accepted and rejected applicants from the 2003/4 cycle up until the present (2012/2013) cycle. It does not include waitlisted applicants (unless they indicated that they had been ultimately accepted or rejected). Please keep in mind the nature of the data when interpreting these results.

Also, keep in mind that this analysis is based only on the outcomes for the indicated school’s applicant pool compared to each other, and does not necessarily mean that “numbers aren’t important” to any particular school.

Eventually, once I've slogged through everything, I'll compile lists and, where they'd be helpful, charts comparing data across schools. I'm no stats expert, but I picked up some stuff in grad school, and I enjoy it.
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:37 am

And I thought the 860% increase over at YLS for URM was a lot.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:39 am

elterrible78 wrote:Hey guys.

Some of you may have seen some stats-based stuff I have been posting in other forums. I have been working a lot on it, trying to kill time while application decisions trickle in. Most of the stuff I did over the last couple days was based on the last cycle, or the last two cycles. I've started to put together individual school analysis based on ALL the available data on LSN now, so I'll post them to the corresponding school's threads. This would probably have been more useful/interesting for people a few months ago, but what the heck.

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Eventually, once I've slogged through everything, I'll compile lists and, where they'd be helpful, charts comparing data across schools. I'm no stats expert, but I picked up some stuff in grad school, and I enjoy it.


Great stuff el, thanks. Especially useful for next cycle applicants (present, lurking furiously, and wishing everyone the best of luck).

Is that URM% a typo? It looks more like a DBZ power level than a URM bump. Not complaining but just... wow. If you don't mind explaining, how did you come to that % exactly?

ETA: is there anyway to further parse that % by URM type?

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby elterrible78 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:40 am

ManOfTheMinute wrote:And I thought the 860% increase over at YLS for URM was a lot.


Told you it wasn't that much. Although, to be honest, beyond a certain point, I think it's kind of meaningless. What it really says is "There is a numbers-level below which non-URMs aren't getting in, but URMs can." What it definitely doesn't say is "the average URM is 8.6 or 48.6 or 480.6 times more likely to get in than the average non-URM.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby elterrible78 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:43 am

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:
elterrible78 wrote:Hey guys.

Some of you may have seen some stats-based stuff I have been posting in other forums. I have been working a lot on it, trying to kill time while application decisions trickle in. Most of the stuff I did over the last couple days was based on the last cycle, or the last two cycles. I've started to put together individual school analysis based on ALL the available data on LSN now, so I'll post them to the corresponding school's threads. This would probably have been more useful/interesting for people a few months ago, but what the heck.

Image

Eventually, once I've slogged through everything, I'll compile lists and, where they'd be helpful, charts comparing data across schools. I'm no stats expert, but I picked up some stuff in grad school, and I enjoy it.


Great stuff el, thanks. Especially useful for next cycle applicants (present, lurking furiously, and wishing everyone the best of luck).

Is that URM% a typo? It looks more like a DBZ power level than a URM bump. Not complaining but just... wow. If you don't mind explaining, how did you come to that % exactly?

ETA: is there anyway to further parse that % by URM type?


Not a typo, but if you check out my last post, I think that pretty much explains my interpretation of it. Parsing it by URM type would be nearly impossible for a couple reasons. The first is that you'd have to depend on the person indicating in the "other" section of their LSN profile what type of URM (s)he happens to be, and I think we'd end up with so few observations that any analysis would be meaningless. The other, more immediate problem is...I don't want to dig through all those profiles! :D




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