Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Yukos » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:34 pm

It went from 80% to 70%, so it's not like a radical sea change. The fact is, if they interview you they like your application so go in with confidence and be yourself. And yes this is much easier to say once it's all over :)

Also, person who PM'd me asking for help, you have incoming PMs turned off so I can't respond XD

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby spyke123 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:38 pm

Yukos wrote:It went from 80% to 70%, so it's not like a radical sea change. The fact is, if they interview you they like your application so go in with confidence and be yourself. And yes this is much easier to say once it's all over :)

Also, person who PM'd me asking for help, you have incoming PMs turned off so I can't respond XD


I think I have seen 1200 floating around this thread as the expected number of JS1 this year. Do you know where that number came from?

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Mr. Elshal » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:45 pm

spyke123 wrote:
Yukos wrote:It went from 80% to 70%, so it's not like a radical sea change. The fact is, if they interview you they like your application so go in with confidence and be yourself. And yes this is much easier to say once it's all over :)

Also, person who PM'd me asking for help, you have incoming PMs turned off so I can't respond XD


I think I have seen 1200 floating around this thread as the expected number of JS1 this year. Do you know where that number came from?


I can't find a link but I vaguely remember KB telling me something to that effect at an event. I could be wrong. Either way, there is a credible source out there, I just don't remember what it was. Just accept that ~1200 get a JS1 and ~850 get accepted

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:49 pm

Mr. Elshal wrote:
spyke123 wrote:
Yukos wrote:It went from 80% to 70%, so it's not like a radical sea change. The fact is, if they interview you they like your application so go in with confidence and be yourself. And yes this is much easier to say once it's all over :)

Also, person who PM'd me asking for help, you have incoming PMs turned off so I can't respond XD


I think I have seen 1200 floating around this thread as the expected number of JS1 this year. Do you know where that number came from?


I can't find a link but I vaguely remember KB telling me something to that effect at an event. I could be wrong. Either way, there is a credible source out there, I just don't remember what it was. Just accept that ~1200 get a JS1 and ~850 get accepted


Not a primary source (although maybe they s/w JS prior to publication and thats where they got the info), but here is an article: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/ ... ool-Skype/

"The Law School will interview J.D. applicants via the free videoconferencing software Skype rather than by phone next year and will expand the number of applicants who are offered interviews from about 1,000 to 1,200. Those interviews will also be longer, from under 10 minutes to around 15 minutes."

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby spyke123 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:50 pm

Mr. Elshal wrote:
spyke123 wrote:
Yukos wrote:It went from 80% to 70%, so it's not like a radical sea change. The fact is, if they interview you they like your application so go in with confidence and be yourself. And yes this is much easier to say once it's all over :)

Also, person who PM'd me asking for help, you have incoming PMs turned off so I can't respond XD


I think I have seen 1200 floating around this thread as the expected number of JS1 this year. Do you know where that number came from?


I can't find a link but I vaguely remember KB telling me something to that effect at an event. I could be wrong. Either way, there is a credible source out there, I just don't remember what it was. Just accept that ~1200 get a JS1 and ~850 get accepted


thanks for the confirmation!

it is a bit surprising that HLS yield is only around 65% (550/850~) :shock:

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Yukos » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:51 pm

Since I'm procrastinating anyway...

Jessica Soban wrote:Additionally, although we have interviewed about 1,000 students in the past few years, we are aiming for 1,200 this year.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:59 pm

spyke123 wrote:it is a bit surprising that HLS yield is only around 65% (550/850~) :shock:

200 of those go to Yale; the other 100 go to Stanford. Swooped.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Yukos » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:04 am

Assuming yield rates don't change much (LSN's stats are from 2010), Stanford has less than a 50% yield rate. I think YLS and SLS are competing much more directly than SLS and HLS, and YLS wins that matchup pretty easily.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:11 am

Yukos wrote:Assuming yield rates don't change much (LSN's stats are from 2010), Stanford has less than a 50% yield rate. I think YLS and SLS are competing much more directly than SLS and HLS, and YLS wins that matchup pretty easily.

Really? I had always thought that YLS vs. HLS competed, and then SLS was for anyone who really liked California. The way New Englanders talk about potentially moving/relocating to California, you'd think it was another country!

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:13 am

carboncopyx wrote:
Yukos wrote:Assuming yield rates don't change much (LSN's stats are from 2010), Stanford has less than a 50% yield rate. I think YLS and SLS are competing much more directly than SLS and HLS, and YLS wins that matchup pretty easily.

Really? I had always thought that YLS vs. HLS competed, and then SLS was for anyone who really liked California. The way New Englanders talk about potentially moving/relocating to California, you'd think it was another country!


+1... SLS also for people who like being happier

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby spyke123 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:16 am

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
carboncopyx wrote:
Yukos wrote:Assuming yield rates don't change much (LSN's stats are from 2010), Stanford has less than a 50% yield rate. I think YLS and SLS are competing much more directly than SLS and HLS, and YLS wins that matchup pretty easily.

Really? I had always thought that YLS vs. HLS competed, and then SLS was for anyone who really liked California. The way New Englanders talk about potentially moving/relocating to California, you'd think it was another country!


+1... SLS also for people who like being happier


lol... this just made me realize that Stanford has not even sent me the status checker yet.. :shock:

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:18 am

Wormfather wrote:That sounds like Mrs. Worm.

Since I know which area you are in--has Mrs. Worm stepped outside this week??? I'm pretty sure a look-up of the weather in Palo Alto, CA, will seem extremely tempting all of a sudden.

spyke123 wrote:lol... this just made me realize that Stanford has not even sent me the status checker yet.. :shock:

SLS took 15 days to send me a status checker, no worries.


Did not mean to turn this into a discussion of SLS, lol...

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby trojandave » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:20 am

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:26 am

Wormfather wrote:
carboncopyx wrote:
Yukos wrote:Assuming yield rates don't change much (LSN's stats are from 2010), Stanford has less than a 50% yield rate. I think YLS and SLS are competing much more directly than SLS and HLS, and YLS wins that matchup pretty easily.

Really? I had always thought that YLS vs. HLS competed, and then SLS was for anyone who really liked California. The way New Englanders talk about potentially moving/relocating to California, you'd think it was another country!


That sounds like Mrs. Worm.


Wouldn't it be Wormmother?

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby honeybadger12 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:27 am

Yukos wrote:Assuming yield rates don't change much (LSN's stats are from 2010), Stanford has less than a 50% yield rate. I think YLS and SLS are competing much more directly than SLS and HLS, and YLS wins that matchup pretty easily.

I think LSN's stats are actually from like 2007 (class of 2010). I'm not sure why they can't keep their stats less than five years old lol

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Yukos » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:28 am

Obviously this is all speculation (and a huge tangent), but here is why I think SLS and YLS are more direct competitors:

1) Class size. If you want endless opportunities, you go to Harvard. If you want a small class size, you have to choose between YLS and SLS.

2) Clerkships. From what I hear, SLS and YLS have a slight edge over Harvard. If getting a clerkship is one of your top goals, this might be a reason to eliminate HLS.

3) Harvard has the edge for non-law fields. If you're going to law school to do a JD/MBA, or to eventually go into politics, or to try to backdoor into a C-level job, I think most would agree HLS is your best bet. SLS and YLS are left competing for the people who are primarily concerned with law.

4) YLS and SLS are (proportionally) more likely to cross-admit than HLS and YLS. This is PURE SPECULATION but it seems to me YLS and SLS look for the same things in their candidates, and I can imagine HLS picking up a lot of people with fantastic numbers that don't get into YLS or SLS.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Lavitz » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:30 am

Wormfather wrote:
az21833 wrote:

So is it more like 50% instead of 75% this year?


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Looks like you got the credited response anyway.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Yukos » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:30 am

honeybadger12 wrote:
Yukos wrote:Assuming yield rates don't change much (LSN's stats are from 2010), Stanford has less than a 50% yield rate. I think YLS and SLS are competing much more directly than SLS and HLS, and YLS wins that matchup pretty easily.

I think LSN's stats are actually from like 2007 (class of 2010). I'm not sure why they can't keep their stats less than five years old lol


I assumed it was a typo because their other stats are from 2011-2012 (so they really meant class of 2013 or something), but now I see under one section it's 2007-2008 so I think you're right, they're super outdated.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:31 am

Yukos wrote:
4) YLS and SLS are (proportionally) more likely to cross-admit than HLS and YLS. This is PURE SPECULATION but it seems to me YLS and SLS look for the same things in their candidates, and I can imagine HLS picking up a lot of people with fantastic numbers that don't get into YLS or SLS.


This is when a data dump of LSN would be helpful...

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:37 am

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
Yukos wrote:4) YLS and SLS are (proportionally) more likely to cross-admit than HLS and YLS. This is PURE SPECULATION but it seems to me YLS and SLS look for the same things in their candidates, and I can imagine HLS picking up a lot of people with fantastic numbers that don't get into YLS or SLS.


This is when a data dump of LSN would be helpful...

Indeed. From what I'm recalling from reading these threads, I know of several YH admits who have yet to hear from S, but also some S admits who were held at H and haven't heard from Y. But of course, these are really small datapoints and might be extremely unrepresentative of the general trend of cross-admits.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby vzapana » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:47 am

data dump, using LSN figures from three application cycles (2009-2012):

464 H admits
114 Y admits
182 S admits
Total: 760 offers

CROSS-ADMITS = 166 total (receiving 382 offers)
50 HYS
3 YS, no H
71 HS, no Y
42 HY, no S

50, or 9.2%, of the admits are offered admission to all three.
116, or 21.3%, of the admits are offered admission to two of the schools.
378, or 69.5%, of the admits are offered admission to only one of the schools. (Of these, 301 were offered admission to Harvard, 58 to Stanford and 19 to Yale, according to my calculations.)

20% of Harvard admits get into Yale
26% of Harvard admits gets into Stanford

47% of Yale admits get into Stanford
81% of Yale admits get into Harvard

29% of Stanford admits get into Yale
67% of Stanford admits get into Harvard
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Yukos » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:49 am

vzapana wrote:data dump, using LSN figures from three application cycles (2009-2012):

464 H admits
114 Y admits
182 S admits

CROSS-ADMITS
50 HYS
3 YS, no H
71 HS, no Y
42 HY, no S

20% of Harvard admits get into Yale
26% of Harvard admits gets into Stanford

47% of Yale admits get into Stanford
81% of Yale admits get into Harvard

29% of Stanford admits get into Yale
67% of Stanford admits get into Harvard


Thank you, even though you showed that I was completely wrong.

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:52 am

vzapana wrote:data dump, using LSN figures from three application cycles (2009-2012):

464 H admits
114 Y admits
182 S admits
Total: 760 offers

CROSS-ADMITS = 166 total (receiving 382 offers)
50 HYS
3 YS, no H
71 HS, no Y
42 HY, no S

378 people are offered admission to only one of the schools.

20% of Harvard admits get into Yale
26% of Harvard admits gets into Stanford

47% of Yale admits get into Stanford
81% of Yale admits get into Harvard

29% of Stanford admits get into Yale
67% of Stanford admits get into Harvard


Awesome analysis. How did you get the data to do this? Or did you do it manually?

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby vzapana » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:53 am

no problem. added a few extra details to the post, in case y'all are interested

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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby vzapana » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:53 am

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
vzapana wrote:data dump, using LSN figures from three application cycles (2009-2012):

464 H admits
114 Y admits
182 S admits
Total: 760 offers

CROSS-ADMITS = 166 total (receiving 382 offers)
50 HYS
3 YS, no H
71 HS, no Y
42 HY, no S

378 people are offered admission to only one of the schools.

20% of Harvard admits get into Yale
26% of Harvard admits gets into Stanford

47% of Yale admits get into Stanford
81% of Yale admits get into Harvard

29% of Stanford admits get into Yale
67% of Stanford admits get into Harvard


Awesome analysis. How did you get the data to do this? Or did you do it manually?


copied and pasted the data from LSN into an excel sheet- then checked for cross-admits manually




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