Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013) Forum
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
Booooooooooring
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TrustInMusic wrote:Every discipline needs its share of pedantic vocabulary.ManOfTheMinute wrote:As an idiot, I understood every third word.TrustInMusic wrote:As a logic nerd who just got off of class doing polyadic predicate calculus with identity symbolizations exercises, I thoroughly enjoyed the logic discussion above. Quantifier negation for the win.
Indeedohpobrecito wrote:Booooooooooring
...where every word is at home,
Taking its place to support the others,
The word neither diffident nor ostentatious,
An easy commerce of the old a new,
The common word exact, without vulgarity,
The formal word precise, but not pedantic,
The complete consort dancing together.
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
Yep... *yawn*ohpobrecito wrote:Booooooooooring
Maybe tomorrow.
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
Hah, I'm sorry if I'm bringing back any LSAT nightmares. But we're all done with it forever anyway, right?Searchparty wrote:To be fair, I thinkMacB wrote:FINE. Apparently it's a good thing I didn't take the lsat drunk at 1am.jselson wrote:These are still the same thing. If you wanted to say "All Hispanics are not URMs" in the way you're implying, you would say "No Hispanics are URMs," otherwise "Some Hispanics are URMs" is consistent with "All Hispanics are not URMs" AND "Not all Hispanics are URMs."MacB wrote:Spoiler alert: it's the difference between "not all are," and "all are not."
Not all are: Some
All are not: None
So, I see the difference
"Not all are" doesn't imply "some"; for if none were--if there were not some that were--it would be correct to say "not all are."
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"Not all are" and "All are not" are both just negating "All are." Both "None are" and "Some are" negate "All are," so therefore either could be implied in "Not all are" and "All are not." That's it.LexLeon wrote:Hah, I'm sorry if I'm bringing back any LSAT nightmares. But we're all done with it forever anyway, right?Searchparty wrote:To be fair, I thinkMacB wrote:FINE. Apparently it's a good thing I didn't take the lsat drunk at 1am.jselson wrote: These are still the same thing. If you wanted to say "All Hispanics are not URMs" in the way you're implying, you would say "No Hispanics are URMs," otherwise "Some Hispanics are URMs" is consistent with "All Hispanics are not URMs" AND "Not all Hispanics are URMs."
Not all are: Some
All are not: None
So, I see the difference
"Not all are" doesn't imply "some"; for if none were--if there were not some that were--it would be correct to say "not all are."
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
Some of us liked it so much that now we make a living off of it.LexLeon wrote:Hah, I'm sorry if I'm bringing back any LSAT nightmares. But we're all done with it forever anyway, right?
"Not all are" and "All are not" are vastly different statements and definitely do not mean the same thing.jselson wrote:"Not all are" and "All are not" are both just negating "All are." Both "None are" and "Some are" negate "All are," so therefore either could be implied in "Not all are" and "All are not." That's it.
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Disagree; "Not all are" is the negation of "All are" and it means "At least some are not," not "some are."jselson wrote:
"Not all are" and "All are not" are both just negating "All are." Both "None are" and "Some are" negate "All are," so therefore either could be implied in "Not all are" and "All are not." That's it.
"All are not" is more restrictive.
If I imagine I'm picking 4 things and each thing is either A or B:
All are A's: AAAA is only choice
Not all are A's: BBBB would work, but so would BBBA, BBAA, BAAA.
Some are A's: BBBB does NOT work, but BBBA, BBAA, BAAA still work. AAAA DOES work.
All are not A's: BBBB is only choice
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
Oh for fuck's sake
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Sorry =Pwert3813 wrote:Oh for fuck's sake
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domino wrote:Disagree; "Not all are" is the negation of "All are" and it means "At least some are not," not "some are."jselson wrote:
"Not all are" and "All are not" are both just negating "All are." Both "None are" and "Some are" negate "All are," so therefore either could be implied in "Not all are" and "All are not." That's it.
"All are not" is more restrictive.
If I imagine I'm picking 4 things and each thing is either A or B:
All are A's: AAAA is only choice
Not all are A's: BBBB would work, but so would BBBA, BBAA, BAAA.
Some are A's: BBBB does NOT work, but BBBA, BBAA, BAAA still work. AAAA DOES work.
All are not A's: BBBB is only choice
180.
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
See what all this waiting around is doing to everyone?wert3813 wrote:Oh for fuck's sake
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I'm not!domino wrote:Sorry =Pwert3813 wrote:Oh for fuck's sake
I think we should do some more LSAT prep. I'm contractually obligated not to participate in the LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum, but you guys don't count because you're unlikely to want to take the LSAT again.
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Shut... the fuck up. I'm serious. Shut up.jselson wrote: "Not all are" and "All are not" are both just negating "All are." Both "None are" and "Some are" negate "All are," so therefore either could be implied in "Not all are" and "All are not." That's it.
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Whoa, chill out, I'm not posting about it again.MacB wrote:Shut... the fuck up. I'm serious. Shut up.jselson wrote: "Not all are" and "All are not" are both just negating "All are." Both "None are" and "Some are" negate "All are," so therefore either could be implied in "Not all are" and "All are not." That's it.
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
this is what happens when the cream of the crop has already moved over to the IN AT HARVARD and HARVARD STUDENTS ANSWERING QUESTIONS threads.
lol, just kidding. mostly
lol, just kidding. mostly
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
I leave this thread for a few days and it turns into an LSAT prep thread? Say it ain't so Harvard bros.
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read last years thread a few days ago and came across this:
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... start=4800
control+F for "accept for"
I thought, "Boy this thread sucks, I'm glad our thread would never do this." Nevermind.
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... start=4800
control+F for "accept for"
I thought, "Boy this thread sucks, I'm glad our thread would never do this." Nevermind.
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
Haha if only doing something productive and worthwhile just required you to take a series of logic-based tests. The world of A's and B's and not signs is a lot easier to understand than the real world.TripTrip wrote:I'm not!domino wrote:Sorry =Pwert3813 wrote:Oh for fuck's sake
I think we should do some more LSAT prep. I'm contractually obligated not to participate in the LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum, but you guys don't count because you're unlikely to want to take the LSAT again.
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I'm sorry brahj, that was way too harsh. My bad, J. Just didn't want to go back down that road, regardless of who is right!!jselson wrote:Whoa, chill out, I'm not posting about it again.MacB wrote:Shut... the fuck up. I'm serious. Shut up.jselson wrote: "Not all are" and "All are not" are both just negating "All are." Both "None are" and "Some are" negate "All are," so therefore either could be implied in "Not all are" and "All are not." That's it.
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
I hearby order this thread to immediately cease and desist posting anything in regards to semantics and order Audeamus to immediately post 3 pictures of his/her dog.
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Re: Harvard c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)
+1domino wrote:Haha if only doing something productive and worthwhile just required you to take a series of logic-based tests. The world of A's and B's and not signs is a lot easier to understand than the real world.
Can I just take the LSAT over and over instead of law school exams?
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Eff, it's Good Friday today. Didn't even think about that. I know a couple other admissions offices are closed.ohpobrecito wrote:Is the admissions office open today?
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They're open.
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Let's make today Friday Furday. Here are my kittens:wannabelawstudent wrote:I hearby order this thread to immediately cease and desist posting anything in regards to semantics and order Audeamus to immediately post 3 pictures of his/her dog.
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
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