Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby GirlStop » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:51 pm

@ ChampagnePapi

1) Awesome name
2) So, you think that Mich admissions is purely numbers-based? A lot of evidence I've seen suggests otherwise...

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby Rahviveh » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:13 pm

GirlStop wrote:@ ChampagnePapi

1) Awesome name
2) So, you think that Mich admissions is purely numbers-based? A lot of evidence I've seen suggests otherwise...


No school is "purely" numbers based. At the same time, the idea that Michigan is the gold standard of "holistic" admissions and their adcoms go over every app with a fine-tooth comb looking beyond the numbers - is utter bunk and a result of the same kind of propaganda that fools applicants into attending schools with poor employment prospects.

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby Yukos » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:16 pm

ChampagnePapi wrote:
GirlStop wrote:@ ChampagnePapi

1) Awesome name
2) So, you think that Mich admissions is purely numbers-based? A lot of evidence I've seen suggests otherwise...


No school is "purely" numbers based. At the same time, the idea that Michigan is the gold standard of "holistic" admissions and their adcoms go over every app with a fine-tooth comb looking beyond the numbers - is utter bunk and a result of the same kind of propaganda that fools applicants into attending schools with poor employment prospects.


I think it's pretty clear from the data we have that Michigan is neither Berkeley nor NYU -- ie not ridiculously "holistic" and not a pure numbers game. What surprises me is UM is actually a lot closer to Berkeley than NYU.

I don't think anyone is arguing UM is "the gold standard of 'holistic' admissions," just that it's on the more holistic side of the equation.

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby Rahviveh » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:18 pm

Yukos wrote:
ChampagnePapi wrote:
GirlStop wrote:@ ChampagnePapi

1) Awesome name
2) So, you think that Mich admissions is purely numbers-based? A lot of evidence I've seen suggests otherwise...


No school is "purely" numbers based. At the same time, the idea that Michigan is the gold standard of "holistic" admissions and their adcoms go over every app with a fine-tooth comb looking beyond the numbers - is utter bunk and a result of the same kind of propaganda that fools applicants into attending schools with poor employment prospects.


I think it's pretty clear from the data we have that Michigan is neither Berkeley nor NYU -- ie not ridiculously "holistic" and not a pure numbers game. What surprises me is UM is actually a lot closer to Berkeley than NYU.

I don't think anyone is arguing UM is "the gold standard of 'holistic' admissions," just that it's on the more holistic side of the equation.


NYU isn't a peer of Michigan when it comes to admissions. A better comparison would be Penn:

http://penn.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1112/

Penn has a similar spread and yet Michigan is the school that gets the undeserved reputation as being more holistic because of handwritten notes (and we don't even know if Dean Z ACTUALLY writes those).

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby UnamSanctam » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:31 pm

You sound perturbed, brother.


ETA: Oh, SISTER. It all makes sense. Here you go: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=196268

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Postby Lawlschool2015 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:00 pm

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby JedBartlett » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:05 pm

Any chance we receive a decision before November is over, or am I thinking wishfully?

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby Yukos » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:09 pm

JedBartlett wrote:Any chance we receive a decision before November is over, or am I thinking wishfully?


Great chance. Almost no chance we'll hear this month though.

http://www.mylsn.info/whenwilliknow.php

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Postby JedBartlett » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:51 pm

slack_academic wrote:
Yukos wrote:
JedBartlett wrote:Any chance we receive a decision before November is over, or am I thinking wishfully?


Great chance. Almost no chance we'll hear this month though.

http://www.mylsn.info/whenwilliknow.php


Thanks for this.


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Edit: Are you sure this is correct? It has people being accepted into Yale in November/December (I've heard Yale doesn't accept until March...or am I wrong?)

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby Yukos » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:53 pm

A couple things:

1) It's based on LSN data, which obviously is self-inputted. It's very possible people mistyped/lied about acceptances.

2) I'm not sure over what period of years this data is for. Obviously when the Y app opens in mid-October/November (like this year), it's not likely decisions will come in November. Maybe Y's app opened earlier before?

3) A good portion of Y's acceptances come through "presumptive admits" or whatever it's called, which skip the faculty review process. It seems reasonable that the turn around on these would be quick.

Moral of the story: take this with a grain of salt, especially if it looks like there were <10 decisions in a given month. But it's a helpful and reassuring guide.

ETA: Bolded was backwards. </3 math
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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:51 pm

Yukos wrote:A couple things:

1) It's based on LSN data, which obviously is self-inputted. It's very possible people mistyped/lied about acceptances.

2) I'm not sure over what period of years this data is for. Obviously when the Y app opens in mid-October/November (like this year), it's not likely decisions will come in November. Maybe Y's app opened earlier before?

3) A good portion of Y's acceptances come through "presumptive admits" or whatever it's called, which skip the faculty review process. It seems reasonable that the turn around on these would be quick.

Moral of the story: take this with a grain of salt, especially if it looks like there were >10 decisions in a given month. But it's a helpful and reassuring guide.

Yeah, it seems like the LSN data really breaks down in reliability when you're looking at anything more than admissions outcomes. Most people don't seem to know how to (or simple care not to) enter information other than rejected, waitlisted, or accepted. Very few people seem to come back and update whether or not they were accepted off the waitlist, and even fewer people seem to report dates in the cycle very accurately. And I really dislike how there isn't a clear consensus on how to report scholarship data (while TLSers seem to like the full, 3-year total, a lot of LSN profiles include per year scholarships.)

Outside of predicting straight up rejects or admits, LSN should definitely be taken with a huge grain of salt.

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby BuckinghamB » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:38 pm

Some people definitely get accepted in Nov. I think mine was the first or second week, but i was also an ED applicant, so grain of salt etc.

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby UnamSanctam » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:45 pm

BuckinghamB wrote:Some people definitely get accepted in Nov. I think mine was the first or second week, but i was also an ED applicant, so grain of salt etc.


True, although I seem to recall people getting in around the time my ED was accepted, which was the last day of November last year. Probably will be some decisions within a few weeks.

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby Lawlschool2015 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:26 am

Stalking Dean Z's blog. Anyone on twitter planning to participate? http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... spx?ID=103

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Postby 02889 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:59 am

Lawlschool2015 wrote:Stalking Dean Z's blog. Anyone on twitter planning to participate? http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... spx?ID=103

I'll definitely be following. Hopefully the obvious "when will the first decisions come out?" question will be asked and directly answered!

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Postby guinness1547 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:00 am

02889 wrote:
Lawlschool2015 wrote:Stalking Dean Z's blog. Anyone on twitter planning to participate? http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... spx?ID=103

I'll definitely be following. Hopefully the obvious "when will the first decisions come out?" question will be asked and directly answered!

"Am I in?" is less than 140 characters. Who's bold enough?

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby JedBartlett » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:07 pm

Hey guys,

This is somewhat random, but I want to update Michigan with a new extracurricular that is fairly important I've started. Should I just email them a new resume or what?

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby shntn » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:08 pm

JedBartlett wrote:Hey guys,

This is somewhat random, but I want to update Michigan with a new extracurricular that is fairly important I've started. Should I just email them a new resume or what?

I'd just write them a brief note, attach it to a Porsche, and have it delivered to the dean of admissions.

Or yeah, just send them a quick e-mail with the new info and an updated resume. Standard stuff.

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby JedBartlett » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:52 pm

shntn wrote:
JedBartlett wrote:Hey guys,

This is somewhat random, but I want to update Michigan with a new extracurricular that is fairly important I've started. Should I just email them a new resume or what?

I'd just write them a brief note, attach it to a Porsche, and have it delivered to the dean of admissions.

Or yeah, just send them a quick e-mail with the new info and an updated resume. Standard stuff.


Thank you, friend.

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Postby Mdenis1 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:56 pm

Lawlschool2015 wrote:Stalking Dean Z's blog. Anyone on twitter planning to participate? http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... spx?ID=103


Oooh interesting, thank you! I will def. join :)

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Re: Michigan (AKA Hogwarts) c/o 2016 Applicants Thread 2012-2013

Postby KanyeShrug » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:48 pm

Submitted on the 22nd. This is my non-reach #1 so hopefully everything goes according to plan. Cheers errbody.

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Postby KanyeShrug » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:56 pm

slack_academic wrote:
KanyeShrug wrote:Submitted on the 22nd. This is my non-reach #1 so hopefully everything goes according to plan. Cheers errbody.


cheers. best of luck.


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