Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby bellagio » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:45 am

I've never wanted something so much for people I've never actually met, but really hoping you guys get some good news soon. I'd love to be in a class with you all.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby pedestrian » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:46 am

I went complete mid-December, does that mean that if I don't get something in the mail it probably isn't coming? Or could I be part of the ensuing trickle?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ph5354a » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:50 am

chickpea wrote:
WhiteyCakes wrote:
chickpea wrote:Isn't it possible that some law schools would choose to reject an applicant who had astronomically high numbers but almost no extracurriculars, apparent interests, passions, etc.? Perhaps I'm naive.


I agree...while numbers certainly dominate, there is more to finding someone a job than just his/her numbers. That could be another reason why more schools will likely start interviewing applicants as well


Agreed. I have heard from a couple of different lawyers at top NYC firms that they regularly turn down candidates with Harvard undergrad/HLS/180/perfect GPA, etc. because they are socially inept and would not be an asset to the firm. In these times of scary unemployment statistics and constant criticism of law schools for failing to produce capable lawyers I think schools will be paying more attention to that LOR that hints at an applicant's lack of interpersonal skills, or resume that suggests a dearth of actual interest in the law beyond getting into HLS.


That's a good point --at a certain level of academic achievement, there could be an inverse relationship to a candidate's employability/interpersonal skills (we all know the type). I still think that for law schools, there would have to be a pretty clear and explicit indicator of this to turn down a 4.0/180 candidate, such as a common theme throughout both their resume and LORs that indicated a lack of basic social/interpersonal skills. Or they were a convicted felon.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby grapefruits » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:51 am

chickpea wrote:
WhiteyCakes wrote:
chickpea wrote:Isn't it possible that some law schools would choose to reject an applicant who had astronomically high numbers but almost no extracurriculars, apparent interests, passions, etc.? Perhaps I'm naive.


I agree...while numbers certainly dominate, there is more to finding someone a job than just his/her numbers. That could be another reason why more schools will likely start interviewing applicants as well


Agreed. I have heard from a couple of different lawyers at top NYC firms that they regularly turn down candidates with Harvard undergrad/HLS/180/perfect GPA, etc. because they are socially inept and would not be an asset to the firm. In these times of scary unemployment statistics and constant criticism of law schools for failing to produce capable lawyers I think schools will be paying more attention to that LOR that hints at an applicant's lack of interpersonal skills, or resume that suggests a dearth of actual interest in the law beyond getting into HLS.


Also: C&F, transcript full of joke classes, multiple retakes where each test is higher than the last by 2-3 points, contemptuous PS/LSAt writing sample. There are a lot of ways to mess up good numbers.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby chickpea » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:55 am

Yeah, good numbers count for a whole lot.. but not everything.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby elterrible78 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:57 am

chickpea wrote:Yeah, good numbers count for a whole lot.. but not everything.


This is true. I did some statistical analysis of the importance of numbers during the last application cycle, and numbers alone certainly don't account for everything (and the range between schools is tremendous).

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby chickpea » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:11 am

elterrible78 wrote:
chickpea wrote:Yeah, good numbers count for a whole lot.. but not everything.


This is true. I did some statistical analysis of the importance of numbers during the last application cycle, and numbers alone certainly don't account for everything (and the range between schools is tremendous).


I'm curious to learn more about the statistical analysis you did. Any interesting tidbits of info (school-specific or not)?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby elterrible78 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:25 am

chickpea wrote:
elterrible78 wrote:
chickpea wrote:Yeah, good numbers count for a whole lot.. but not everything.


This is true. I did some statistical analysis of the importance of numbers during the last application cycle, and numbers alone certainly don't account for everything (and the range between schools is tremendous).


I'm curious to learn more about the statistical analysis you did. Any interesting tidbits of info (school-specific or not)?


I'll PM you.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Spritzpiggy » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:28 am

Id love to see this too, can you PM me as well? Thx :)

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby carboncopyx » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:42 am

Spritzpiggy wrote:Id love to see this too, can you PM me as well? Thx :)

Ditto.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby feelingood » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:45 am

carboncopyx wrote:
Spritzpiggy wrote:Id love to see this too, can you PM me as well? Thx :)

Ditto.

Double ditto

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby elterrible78 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:46 am

Sure, sure. PMs on their way, guys.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby vzapana » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:47 am

i'm interested as well, but why not just publish the analysis on the thread?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby elterrible78 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:56 am

vzapana wrote:i'm interested as well, but why not just publish the analysis on the thread?


PMed as well. Basically, I just don't want to muddy up the thread with that kind of thing with so many people awaiting NCEs now, you know?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby cwid1391 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:58 am

elterrible78 wrote:
vzapana wrote:i'm interested as well, but why not just publish the analysis on the thread?


PMed as well. Basically, I just don't want to muddy up the thread with that kind of thing with so many people awaiting NCEs now, you know?


You mean you don't want us to spend 7 pages discussing WoW and Super Smash Brothers? What has this forum come to?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby elterrible78 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:04 pm

cwid1391 wrote:
elterrible78 wrote:
vzapana wrote:i'm interested as well, but why not just publish the analysis on the thread?


PMed as well. Basically, I just don't want to muddy up the thread with that kind of thing with so many people awaiting NCEs now, you know?


You mean you don't want us to spend 7 pages discussing WoW and Super Smash Brothers? What has this forum come to?


Ha! That was the weekend, nothing else was going to happen anyway. But, if anyone WANTS that stats stuff, just PM me, and I'll be happy to provide it. That's the last thing I'm saying about it in here! And good luck to everyone today...may your mailbox overflow with Butlers and Hamiltons.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby bellagio » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:05 pm

elterrible78 wrote:
cwid1391 wrote:
elterrible78 wrote:
vzapana wrote:i'm interested as well, but why not just publish the analysis on the thread?


PMed as well. Basically, I just don't want to muddy up the thread with that kind of thing with so many people awaiting NCEs now, you know?


You mean you don't want us to spend 7 pages discussing WoW and Super Smash Brothers? What has this forum come to?


Ha! That was the weekend, nothing else was going to happen anyway. But, if anyone WANTS that stats stuff, just PM me, and I'll be happy to provide it. That's the last thing I'm saying about it in here! And good luck to everyone today...may your mailbox overflow with Butlers and Hamiltons.


That last line paired with your tar makes it sound like a holy blessing... amen.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby francesfarmer » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:09 pm

I've read back a few pages and I can't figure this out so I'm asking--why do you guys think mid January completes are going to get decisions soon (if accepted)? LSN? I've been complete since mid December. I hope my panicked hail mary late app doesn't screw me.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Anonymous4444 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:10 pm

nothing in the mail :( :twisted: :cry:

what does this mean? complete september.......
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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby az21833 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:11 pm

post your analysis dawg we aint got nuttin to do til mail comes

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby az21833 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:11 pm

i dont think january completes get a decision THIS fast. but again thats just me.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby Anonymous4444 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:15 pm

Anonymous4444 wrote:nothing in the mail :( :twisted: :cry:

what does this mean? complete september.......

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby bananapudding88 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:16 pm

az21833 wrote:post your analysis dawg we aint got nuttin to do til mail comes

+1

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby ph5354a » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:20 pm

francesfarmer wrote:I've read back a few pages and I can't figure this out so I'm asking--why do you guys think mid January completes are going to get decisions soon (if accepted)? LSN? I've been complete since mid December. I hope my panicked hail mary late app doesn't screw me.


Yeah, I posted a link a couple pages back to last year's LSN. Again, this is just for acceptances. Waitlists and rejections wait a little longer, but based on last year, January applicants that are auto-admit, or close to it, could hear by the first or second week in February.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2016 Applicants (2012-2013)

Postby MCFC » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:23 pm

Anonymous4444 wrote:nothing in the mail :( :twisted: :cry:

what does this mean? complete september.......


Given the map posted a few pages back, it seems reasonable that NCEs might not arrive until Tuesday. (Some dispute over what a "day" is, and so on). No reason to worry yet.




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