Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby elterrible78 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:20 pm

Wormfather wrote:Just got the WL email. URM 170/3.9. No Why Penn. But now: PENN, WHHHHYYYYYYY?


Were you straight wait listed, Worm? I just got a "held" e-mail.

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby Crowing » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:30 pm

spyke123 wrote:
comeonletsgo wrote:WL invitation email. Applied early decision 1 and deferred. God damnit.


wow they are WLing deferred people now? i guess mine will be coming shortly as well..


i didn't get anything yet either, but so it begins...

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby oaken » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:58 pm

Waitlist via email/status checker. Not really unexpected at this point. Good luck to everyone still waiting!

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby comeonletsgo » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:39 pm

LRGhost wrote:
comeonletsgo wrote:WL invitation email. Applied early decision 1 and deferred. God damnit.


:( Congrats on Cornell and UCLA so far though. I'm sure there's gonna be some WL movement.


Thank you. I sure hope so. Everyone withdraw!!!!!

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby az21833 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:48 pm

is it just fafsa and need for finaid here? and money in late march/ early april? get those uva offers in!

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby bfigsan » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:30 pm

comeonletsgo wrote:WL invitation email. Applied early decision 1 and deferred. God damnit.


Hey, I'm sorry about your WL. I think I'm going to be in the same boat as you pretty soon (ED1, WL). Did your status checker change before you got news?

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby comeonletsgo » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:32 pm

bfigsan wrote:
comeonletsgo wrote:WL invitation email. Applied early decision 1 and deferred. God damnit.


Hey, I'm sorry about your WL. I think I'm going to be in the same boat as you pretty soon (ED1, WL). Did your status checker change before you got news?


Hey thanks, it changed right before

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby battlerifle13 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:09 am

What are people's thoughts on e-mailing Penn about my other offers (UVA/Michigan) before merit awards/scholarships come out? I was accepted last Friday, and really hoping for some monies because I would love to attend. Is this a bad move? Should I sit tight and wait? What do people think?

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby JamesDean1955 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:26 am

battlerifle13 wrote:What are people's thoughts on e-mailing Penn about my other offers (UVA/Michigan) before merit awards/scholarships come out? I was accepted last Friday, and really hoping for some monies because I would love to attend. Is this a bad move? Should I sit tight and wait? What do people think?


This is a matter of opinion - there is no right or wrong answer. Many people accepted to Penn have high offers from UVA and Michigan they are hoping to use as leverage - a couple people in this thread (see previous posts) have sent Penn their offers, and Penn has replied (paraphrasing here) that they will "take these offers into consideration in March when the rest of financial aid awards are decided." So, one way or the other, you will still be waiting until March (or most likely April because than is when the bulk of Penn's aid awards went out last year). Also, Penn gives out need and merit aid in combination simultaneously.

So those are all the facts - the decision is up to you. Personally, I feel it won't matter if you do it now or wait to see their initial offer. I am in the same boat, and personally I'm going to wait and see what they initially offer (if anything) as I'm curious to see my starting point.

Check out the "Negotiating Scholarships Works!!!" thread for more opinions on negotiating strategy. My opinion is that when it comes to negotiating scholarships, there is no one timing strategy that is definitely going to work better - it will always depend on your individual circumstances, what aid you've received from other schools, and whether the school really wants you. Unless you are a complete asshole in wording your negotiation letter, I think the end result will be the same regardless of when you start negotiating.

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby JamesDean1955 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:32 am

One question I have regarding scholarship negotiations that hasn't been answered ITT, for current Penn 1L's (paging Nelson):

When Penn hands out awards in March/April, do they explicitly tell you if you have not received any aid, or do you have to guess this for yourself?

I believe that NYU, for example, will explicitly tell you.

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby lawschoolboundfuture » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:56 am

Just got waitlisted with 173 and 3.82

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby curious66 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:03 am

lawschoolboundfuture wrote:Just got waitlisted with 173 and 3.82


wow, must be YP

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby Nelson » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:03 am

JamesDean1955 wrote:One question I have regarding scholarship negotiations that hasn't been answered ITT, for current Penn 1L's (paging Nelson):

When Penn hands out awards in March/April, do they explicitly tell you if you have not received any aid, or do you have to guess this for yourself?

I believe that NYU, for example, will explicitly tell you.

That's an excellent question I do not know the answer to. They sent out the initial fin aid to everyone through a goofy web portal but my info on the portal was just how much loans I had the privilege of taking out. My merit award came a couple days later and separately. Also Penn was the last school to give me money so it's possible my scholarship was in response to the other offers I sent them.

Edit: I would also encourage people to send Penn your other offers if you have not received an invitation for the named scholarships. Esp. if you have CCN offers.

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby ph5354a » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:18 am

I know that early on it took quite a while to go from Complete to UCR1. For the more recent applicants, how long should I expect to wait? I went complete on 1/31.

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby 02889 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:13 pm

For those who have already submitted financial aid forms - in addition to FAFSA and Need Access, do we have to submit just our parents' and our federal tax turns, or the w-2's as well? The admitted students page isn't super informative, and I seem to remember the financial aid forms in the acceptance packet mentioning W-2 forms but I don't have them to check.

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby cgw » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:07 pm

02889 wrote:For those who have already submitted financial aid forms - in addition to FAFSA and Need Access, do we have to submit just our parents' and our federal tax turns, or the w-2's as well? The admitted students page isn't super informative, and I seem to remember the financial aid forms in the acceptance packet mentioning W-2 forms but I don't have them to check.


I haven't submitted yet (just got in last week and am still :shock:), but I can't imagine they'd need the w-2s. I mean, if the IRS doesn't actually need to see them, why does Penn?

Anyone know where/to whom we send the tax returns?

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby 02889 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:32 pm

cgw wrote:
02889 wrote:For those who have already submitted financial aid forms - in addition to FAFSA and Need Access, do we have to submit just our parents' and our federal tax turns, or the w-2's as well? The admitted students page isn't super informative, and I seem to remember the financial aid forms in the acceptance packet mentioning W-2 forms but I don't have them to check.


I haven't submitted yet (just got in last week and am still :shock:), but I can't imagine they'd need the w-2s. I mean, if the IRS doesn't actually need to see them, why does Penn?

Anyone know where/to whom we send the tax returns?

Just to answer my own question for others, I checked with them today and they do want copies of W2 forms along with copies of the tax returns.

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby az21833 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:42 pm

02889 wrote:
cgw wrote:
02889 wrote:For those who have already submitted financial aid forms - in addition to FAFSA and Need Access, do we have to submit just our parents' and our federal tax turns, or the w-2's as well? The admitted students page isn't super informative, and I seem to remember the financial aid forms in the acceptance packet mentioning W-2 forms but I don't have them to check.


I haven't submitted yet (just got in last week and am still :shock:), but I can't imagine they'd need the w-2s. I mean, if the IRS doesn't actually need to see them, why does Penn?

Anyone know where/to whom we send the tax returns?

Just to answer my own question for others, I checked with them today and they do want copies of W2 forms along with copies of the tax returns.


is this AFTER you get a grant or as part of the application process along with fafsa/need? their website mentions nothing of this...is it only in the acceptance packet?

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby cgw » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:51 am

az21833 wrote:
02889 wrote:
cgw wrote:
02889 wrote:For those who have already submitted financial aid forms - in addition to FAFSA and Need Access, do we have to submit just our parents' and our federal tax turns, or the w-2's as well? The admitted students page isn't super informative, and I seem to remember the financial aid forms in the acceptance packet mentioning W-2 forms but I don't have them to check.


I haven't submitted yet (just got in last week and am still :shock:), but I can't imagine they'd need the w-2s. I mean, if the IRS doesn't actually need to see them, why does Penn?

Anyone know where/to whom we send the tax returns?

Just to answer my own question for others, I checked with them today and they do want copies of W2 forms along with copies of the tax returns.


is this AFTER you get a grant or as part of the application process along with fafsa/need? their website mentions nothing of this...is it only in the acceptance packet?


It's part of the need based aid process. It's listed on the admitted students website under Aids & Scholarships - Applying for Aid.

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby one_by_one » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:54 am

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby Gisney » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:59 am

one_by_one wrote:
cgw wrote:It's part of the need based aid process. It's listed on the admitted students website under Aids & Scholarships - Applying for Aid.


Wait, what? The part of the website about need-based grants only says that we have to send in FAFSA/Need Access by March 1st - https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/fi ... grants.php

ETA: Maybe you don't have to submit tax forms for the initial offer? It would make more sense if you only need to submit them when they're finalizing their offer (that's what most other places do I think).


Yea I am not seeing it anywhere that you already have to send copies of your W2 or tax return. I know of several schools where you have to after you get an offer

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby cgw » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:08 am

one_by_one wrote:
cgw wrote:It's part of the need based aid process. It's listed on the admitted students website under Aids & Scholarships - Applying for Aid.


Wait, what? The part of the website about need-based grants only says that we have to send in FAFSA/Need Access by March 1st - https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/fi ... grants.php

ETA: Maybe you don't have to submit tax forms for the initial offer? It would make more sense if you only need to submit them when they're finalizing their offer (that's what most other places do I think).


You don't have to submit them for merit aid. Only need based. Since the initial offer (if there is one) is probably merit based, I would guess they're not necessary for that. Again, it's on the Admitted Students website, not the one you linked to. It only says tax returns (including all schedules) of the parents and student. The other poster said he/she called and was told that w-2s were also necessary.

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby risa » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:12 am

cgw wrote:You don't have to submit them for merit aid. Only need based. Since the initial offer (if there is one) is probably merit based, I would guess they're not necessary for that. Again, it's on the Admitted Students website, not the one you linked to. It only says tax returns (including all schedules) of the parents and student. The other poster said he/she called and was told that w-2s were also necessary.

When I emailed in my tax returns I asked if I was required to send my parents' as well, since Penn does not require me to provide their financial info on the Need Access due to my age. I didn't get a response. Maybe I'll try calling just to be totally sure. The admits' site was not clear on that.

Admitted Students' Website wrote: Law School Need-Based Grant Applicants

If you are applying for Law School need-based grants and all other forms of need-based financial assistance, complete the following:

- Submit the 2013-2014 FAFSA to the U.S. Department of Education at http://www.fafsa.ed.gov. Penn’s Federal School Code is 003378.
- Complete a financial aid application through NeedAccess at http://www.needaccess.org.
Note: We require parental information on the NeedAccess Financial Aid Application, unless you are 30 years old as of December 31, 2013. We also require student/spouse information, if you are or plan to be married by June 1, 2013. Your financial aid application will not be evaluated unless required parental/spousal information is provided.
- Student’s and Parents’ 2012 Income Tax Returns (ALL pages and schedules).

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

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Re: Penn C/O 2016 Applicants (2012-2013 Cycle)

Postby cgw » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:17 am

risa wrote:
cgw wrote:You don't have to submit them for merit aid. Only need based. Since the initial offer (if there is one) is probably merit based, I would guess they're not necessary for that. Again, it's on the Admitted Students website, not the one you linked to. It only says tax returns (including all schedules) of the parents and student. The other poster said he/she called and was told that w-2s were also necessary.

When I emailed in my tax returns I asked if I was required to send my parents' as well, since Penn does not require me to provide their financial info on the Need Access due to my age. I didn't get a response. Maybe I'll try calling just to be totally sure. The admits' site was not clear on that.

Admitted Students' Website wrote: Law School Need-Based Grant Applicants

If you are applying for Law School need-based grants and all other forms of need-based financial assistance, complete the following:

- Submit the 2013-2014 FAFSA to the U.S. Department of Education at http://www.fafsa.ed.gov. Penn’s Federal School Code is 003378.
- Complete a financial aid application through NeedAccess at http://www.needaccess.org.
Note: We require parental information on the NeedAccess Financial Aid Application, unless you are 30 years old as of December 31, 2013. We also require student/spouse information, if you are or plan to be married by June 1, 2013. Your financial aid application will not be evaluated unless required parental/spousal information is provided.
- Student’s and Parents’ 2012 Income Tax Returns (ALL pages and schedules).


It's not very clear, but I would hope they wouldn't expect you to provide that info. When did you email them? I would definitely call.




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