GW vs. University of San Diego

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GW or USD?

GW
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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby Big Shrimpin » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:59 pm

sunynp wrote:
jarofsoup wrote:
DC_Patent_Law wrote: c) my firm will cover about 40% tuition as well if I go to GW.

Just how much will I be shooting myself in the foot if I go to USD instead?



I did not read this the first time around. You have an employer that will pay for you to go to law school???? I did not know this still happened. Stick with them for the love of god.

My thoughts exactly. OP should stay in his job, go to school at GW and then move to California. Going to California now just because he wants to live there is extremely foolish. The California economy is extremely shaky, it is not a paradise.

I can't recommend that anyone give up a good job like this just to go to USD...Possibly not even Harvard or Yale.....


Another TCR.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:07 am

Will I be missing out on building a west coast network if I go to GW? Seems like there is a lot of west coast loyalty when hiring.

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dood wrote:email UCSD and ask for a list of employers who interviewed on campus. not going to help u if the IP firms dont come to interview.

send me PM with ur email and i can send u GWs list if employers from 2011. i can assure u that u can get IP at CA big firm from GW. i 100% guarantee it. i cant say anything about ucsd bc i didnt go there.


As another former geedubber with a patent background, this is pretty credited. I got a handful of callbacks from Cali firms at GWs OCI with ZERO ties (ultimately got a bunch of offers on the east coast). That said, I was a transfer with a less than stellar 1L GPA and 0 years of patent WE. I don't see how the other school (UCSD or whatever that is) is a choice here, unless you absolutely cannot live in DC anymore. If that's the case, good luck rolling the dice and getting a fraction of the exposure to employers that you'll get at GWs OCI (for comparision, my T2 transferor school's OCI had 3 firms looking for patent people...GW had over 30, IIRC).

tl;dr, dood's advice is probably TCR, so long as you don't get shit 1L grades (which is probably an equal probability at either school...I'm not going to engage in a discussion/argument as to the relative parity between student-body quality at TTs/T20s, but in my experience, I didn't notice much of a difference, e.g., ended up in about the same portion of the class at both schools).

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:11 am

What if I got a good job like this in Cali? I'm going to interview with a big west coast firm (Vault top 25 firm) this Friday in San Diego. They will pay for the rest of my tuition at USD as well if I get in.

sunynp wrote:
jarofsoup wrote:
DC_Patent_Law wrote: c) my firm will cover about 40% tuition as well if I go to GW.

Just how much will I be shooting myself in the foot if I go to USD instead?



I did not read this the first time around. You have an employer that will pay for you to go to law school???? I did not know this still happened. Stick with them for the love of god.

My thoughts exactly. OP should stay in his job, go to school at GW and then move to California. Going to California now just because he wants to live there is extremely foolish. The California economy is extremely shaky, it is not a paradise.

I can't recommend that anyone give up a good job like this just to go to USD...Possibly not even Harvard or Yale.....

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby jarofsoup » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:15 am

I beginning to think this doesn't make sense anymore. Why are so many people throwing money at you?

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby sunynp » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:16 am

DC_Patent_Law wrote:What if I got a good job like this in Cali? I'm going to interview with a big west coast firm (Vault top 25 firm) this Friday in San Diego. They will pay for the rest of my tuition at USD as well if I get in.

sunynp wrote:
jarofsoup wrote:
DC_Patent_Law wrote: c) my firm will cover about 40% tuition as well if I go to GW.

Just how much will I be shooting myself in the foot if I go to USD instead?



I did not read this the first time around. You have an employer that will pay for you to go to law school???? I did not know this still happened. Stick with them for the love of god.

My thoughts exactly. OP should stay in his job, go to school at GW and then move to California. Going to California now just because he wants to live there is extremely foolish. The California economy is extremely shaky, it is not a paradise.

I can't recommend that anyone give up a good job like this just to go to USD...Possibly not even Harvard or Yale.....


So if you get this job in California you could go to USD for free? I am not seeing numbers from you on how much this will cost.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:11 pm

Do you mean the law firms or the schools? Only USD is giving me 40%. Most patent law firms (especially in the DC area) will reimburse tuition for patent agents. A patent agent with a bachelors and masters in Electrical Engineering from a top school who has passed the patent bar and has years of work experience is usually in demand.

jarofsoup wrote:I beginning to think this doesn't make sense anymore. Why are so many people throwing money at you?

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:13 pm

Yes, I'll go for almost for free (the new firm reiumburses tuition only after the first year I've been with them). If I stay in D.C. I can go for almost free as well (they reimburse tuition on a sliding scale over a number of years, pretty complicated). Keep in mind I'll have to bill 1500 hours at either firm to get the tuition benefits.

sunynp wrote: So if you get this job in California you could go to USD for free? I am not seeing numbers from you on how much this will cost.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby jarofsoup » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:25 pm

DC_Patent_Law wrote:Do you mean the law firms or the schools? Only USD is giving me 40%. Most patent law firms (especially in the DC area) will reimburse tuition for patent agents. A patent agent with a bachelors and masters in Electrical Engineering from a top school who has passed the patent bar and has years of work experience is usually in demand.

jarofsoup wrote:I beginning to think this doesn't make sense anymore. Why are so many people throwing money at you?


Are you going to go part time? Making that kind of billable hours will be nearly impossible as a full time 1L.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:19 am

Yup, going to part-time program at night. Its gonna totally suck to make even 1500 though.

jarofsoup wrote:
DC_Patent_Law wrote:Do you mean the law firms or the schools? Only USD is giving me 40%. Most patent law firms (especially in the DC area) will reimburse tuition for patent agents. A patent agent with a bachelors and masters in Electrical Engineering from a top school who has passed the patent bar and has years of work experience is usually in demand.

jarofsoup wrote:I beginning to think this doesn't make sense anymore. Why are so many people throwing money at you?


Are you going to go part time? Making that kind of billable hours will be nearly impossible as a full time 1L.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby mewalke1 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:58 am

I was in San Diego yesterday and went to the UofSD campus. It is a place Im thinking about applying to. Its a nice place very "San Diego". Its not exactly a cheap school and living in Cali is expensive but the quality of life would be high..... ya know if you like 70 degree weather all year round. ;)

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby SDPalmTree » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:25 pm

mewalke1 wrote:I was in San Diego yesterday and went to the UofSD campus. It is a place Im thinking about applying to. Its a nice place very "San Diego". Its not exactly a cheap school and living in Cali is expensive but the quality of life would be high..... ya know if you like 70 degree weather all year round. ;)


Don't forget the sunny weekends. I think that during the 23 yrs I lived there there were like five weekends that didn't have at least one nice day in them.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:30 pm

I interviewed for the patent agent position at the SD firm this Friday. They pretty much said an offer is coming. The caveat is its a lot of soft-litigation type of work which means I'll have to bust some serious ass while going to USD (while building rapport and a reputation at the new job). The weather in SD is absolutely gorgeous today. I wonder if I'm going to get to enjoy any of it if I'm busting ass at work followed by part-time school.

The pro for GW is ranking, and I get to still work with my cushy job where I have built rapport and may not have a crazy schedule. Decisions decisions...

mewalke1 wrote:I was in San Diego yesterday and went to the UofSD campus. It is a place Im thinking about applying to. Its a nice place very "San Diego". Its not exactly a cheap school and living in Cali is expensive but the quality of life would be high..... ya know if you like 70 degree weather all year round. ;)

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby sunynp » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:58 am

DC_Patent_Law wrote:I interviewed for the patent agent position at the SD firm this Friday. They pretty much said an offer is coming. The caveat is its a lot of soft-litigation type of work which means I'll have to bust some serious ass while going to USD (while building rapport and a reputation at the new job). The weather in SD is absolutely gorgeous today. I wonder if I'm going to get to enjoy any of it if I'm busting ass at work followed by part-time school.

The pro for GW is ranking, and I get to still work with my cushy job where I have built rapport and may not have a crazy schedule. Decisions decisions...

mewalke1 wrote:I was in San Diego yesterday and went to the UofSD campus. It is a place Im thinking about applying to. Its a nice place very "San Diego". Its not exactly a cheap school and living in Cali is expensive but the quality of life would be high..... ya know if you like 70 degree weather all year round. ;)


You should go to GW because the cost will be low - have you ever posted what it is really going to cost you to go to each of these schools. Cost is a big factor. Usually I saw no to GW - but you have a job, you are settled there and you have connections. You should keep the job you have - they will probably be more willing to work with you regarding time off for exams if they are helping you to pay for school. You have such a good thing going, don't give it up because San Diego has nice weather.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby FlanAl » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:35 am

op sd firms want ip people with ties really bad.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:49 am

Cost is not an issue. Both firms, in D.C. and SD will cover tuition. I don't know if its worth putting off moving for another 4 years for a GW degree...

sunynp wrote:
DC_Patent_Law wrote:I interviewed for the patent agent position at the SD firm this Friday. They pretty much said an offer is coming. The caveat is its a lot of soft-litigation type of work which means I'll have to bust some serious ass while going to USD (while building rapport and a reputation at the new job). The weather in SD is absolutely gorgeous today. I wonder if I'm going to get to enjoy any of it if I'm busting ass at work followed by part-time school.

The pro for GW is ranking, and I get to still work with my cushy job where I have built rapport and may not have a crazy schedule. Decisions decisions...

mewalke1 wrote:I was in San Diego yesterday and went to the UofSD campus. It is a place Im thinking about applying to. Its a nice place very "San Diego". Its not exactly a cheap school and living in Cali is expensive but the quality of life would be high..... ya know if you like 70 degree weather all year round. ;)


You should go to GW because the cost will be low - have you ever posted what it is really going to cost you to go to each of these schools. Cost is a big factor. Usually I saw no to GW - but you have a job, you are settled there and you have connections. You should keep the job you have - they will probably be more willing to work with you regarding time off for exams if they are helping you to pay for school. You have such a good thing going, don't give it up because San Diego has nice weather.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:50 am

Can you clarify on this? What kind of ties? Ties to DC or to local schools?

FlanAl wrote:op sd firms want ip people with ties really bad.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby sunynp » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:03 pm

DC_Patent_Law wrote:Can you clarify on this? What kind of ties? Ties to DC or to local schools?

FlanAl wrote:op sd firms want ip people with ties really bad.


I think he means San Diego firms want people who have ties to San Diego. They want to be sure you won't leave, just like firms in other regions. If you already have a job in San Diego, maybe that helps with ties. If you buy a house and have your family living there, maybe that helps with ties too. Just going to a school somewhere is not in itself a sufficient tie.

Won't you have a job with the firm that is paying for your degree? You don't have to stay there to qualify for them to pay tuition?

I'm cautious so I would stick with the job I have, instead of relocating, starting a brand new job and going to law school all at once. Doing all of these at once is a huge adjustment. But you sound like you want to go to San Diego and get out of DC. If you are that unhappy with DC, you might have a better chance at a job from San Diego if you move now.

I guess you are asking if career wise is going to GW better than SD?

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby Danteshek » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:29 pm

I'm sorry, but if you go to USD, you will have shown extremely poor judgment. Remember that once you become a lawyer, people will be PAYING YOU to give them ADVICE. Going to USD in your situation is BEYOND STUPID.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby SiRR » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:50 pm

Danteshek wrote:I'm sorry, but if you go to USD, you will have shown extremely poor judgment. Remember that once you become a lawyer, people will be PAYING YOU to give them ADVICE. Going to USD in your situation is BEYOND STUPID.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby jarofsoup » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:04 pm

I have been relatively dismayed by this tread and the fantasy of San Diego.

Just look at the updated LST data. USD got a impressive 45% while GWU got a dismal 80%.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:13 pm

sunynp wrote:
DC_Patent_Law wrote:Can you clarify on this? What kind of ties? Ties to DC or to local schools?

FlanAl wrote:op sd firms want ip people with ties really bad.


I think he means San Diego firms want people who have ties to San Diego. They want to be sure you won't leave, just like firms in other regions. If you already have a job in San Diego, maybe that helps with ties. If you buy a house and have your family living there, maybe that helps with ties too. Just going to a school somewhere is not in itself a sufficient tie.

Won't you have a job with the firm that is paying for your degree? You don't have to stay there to qualify for them to pay tuition?

I'm cautious so I would stick with the job I have, instead of relocating, starting a brand new job and going to law school all at once. Doing all of these at once is a huge adjustment. But you sound like you want to go to San Diego and get out of DC. If you are that unhappy with DC, you might have a better chance at a job from San Diego if you move now.

I guess you are asking if career wise is going to GW better than SD?


Yes, that is exactly it. Who knows 10 years down the line if I will want to be in San Diego. A GW degree might serve me better at the time.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:15 pm

While the numbers are in favor for GW, you have to realize I have so much experience that school and ranking might not matter. While USD may suck for other kinds of jobs, patent law is a different animal.

jarofsoup wrote:I have been relatively dismayed by this tread and the fantasy of San Diego.

Just look at the updated LST data. USD got a impressive 45% while GWU got a dismal 80%.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby Big Shrimpin » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:42 pm

DC_Patent_Law wrote:While the numbers are in favor for GW, you have to realize I have so much experience that school and ranking might not matter. While USD may suck for other kinds of jobs, patent law is a different animal.

jarofsoup wrote:I have been relatively dismayed by this tread and the fantasy of San Diego.

Just look at the updated LST data. USD got a impressive 45% while GWU got a dismal 80%.


LOL good luck with that assumption, kid.

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby DC_Patent_Law » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:16 pm

Big Shrimpin wrote:
DC_Patent_Law wrote:While the numbers are in favor for GW, you have to realize I have so much experience that school and ranking might not matter. While USD may suck for other kinds of jobs, patent law is a different animal.

jarofsoup wrote:I have been relatively dismayed by this tread and the fantasy of San Diego.

Just look at the updated LST data. USD got a impressive 45% while GWU got a dismal 80%.


LOL good luck with that assumption, kid.


So you're saying its all about the ranking? I think you're right. Sigh, I might have to stick it out for another 4 years at GDubbs from what the data is suggesting. Oh, metro will you ever fix your escalators!

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Re: GW vs. University of San Diego

Postby Big Shrimpin » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:36 pm

See, I don't necessarily think that rankings and employment prospects are mutually exclusive. That said, GW, in part due to its location and patent network, will likely afford you substantially more opportunities than SD. Certainly, if you have a connection that will guarantee you employment whether you go to SD or GW, choose SD if that floats your boat. OTOH, assuming that's not the case, it behooves you to consider what kinds of opportunities you're going to face when you finish 1L. Hopefully, you won't have done poorly. But if you do, you're going to have a significantly more difficult time attaining gainful employment from SD than GW. Moreover, as I intimated earlier, if you're a decent interviewer, being near-median at GW with great IP experience really isn't as scary as being similarly situated but without that experience. I strongly doubt the same could be said for SD, but as I have no personal experience, I digress.

I also mentioned before the sheer number of employers at GWs OCI that, on the symplicity listing, seek ONLY applicants with patent/hard science/etc. backgrounds. That cuts the pool to, and this is a guess so don't quote me, probably like 35% of the students in each class (e.g. your competitive cohort). Thus, when you boil it down, you should really get a good number of screening interviews. Then, it's on you, and your personality, to get you to the callback round, offer, etc.

Good luck with your decision, but don't let anyone else make it for you. Do your own research, call both schools, ask questions about OCI, etc. Presumably, you're an adult, so do your diligence and make an informed decision.

edit: I'm actually not sure to whom this is directed, but it addresses situations similar to that which the OP faces. Now back to bar study...




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