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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby Doorkeeper » Wed May 09, 2012 5:24 pm

masked kavana wrote:Do you have the URM numbers by any chance? Sorry to ask!

I do, but it's a very small sample size and the numbers are all over the place, so I don't think any LSAT/GPA analysis would matter. I can tell you that 5 URMs have gotten off the WL, according to LSN, in the past 2 years. Those numbers are obviously higher in reality, as not all URM WL applicants use LSN.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby masked kavana » Wed May 09, 2012 5:38 pm

Doorkeeper wrote:
masked kavana wrote:Do you have the URM numbers by any chance? Sorry to ask!

I do, but it's a very small sample size and the numbers are all over the place, so I don't think any LSAT/GPA analysis would matter. I can tell you that 5 URMs have gotten off the WL, according to LSN, in the past 2 years. Those numbers are obviously higher in reality, as not all URM WL applicants use LSN.


Gotcha. Thanks for the info. Think I'm just grasping at straws to think I might have an opportunity to get in.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby yepyepyep » Wed May 09, 2012 6:31 pm

Thanks for the new stats!
As a >75% LSAT extreme splitter...im not encouraged. I had noticed the same thing that you pointed out. At least on LSN, there were very few high LSAT people waitlisted in the last 3 years (including this year), and not many got in (whereas many more high GPA people got in).

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby Mista Bojangles » Wed May 09, 2012 6:39 pm

yepyepyep wrote:Thanks for the new stats!
As a >75% LSAT extreme splitter...im not encouraged. I had noticed the same thing that you pointed out. At least on LSN, there were very few high LSAT people waitlisted in the last 3 years (including this year), and not many got in (whereas many more high GPA people got in).


Pretty much all of this...

Since (to my understanding) they generally pull people from the WL to loosely match profiles of admitted students who turn down HLS for another option - maybe the trend tends to be that those who get H and turn it down are more often really high GPA types, rather than high LSAT types.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby yepyepyep » Wed May 09, 2012 6:51 pm

Mista Bojangles wrote:
yepyepyep wrote:Thanks for the new stats!
As a >75% LSAT extreme splitter...im not encouraged. I had noticed the same thing that you pointed out. At least on LSN, there were very few high LSAT people waitlisted in the last 3 years (including this year), and not many got in (whereas many more high GPA people got in).


Pretty much all of this...

Since (to my understanding) they generally pull people from the WL to loosely match profiles of admitted students who turn down HLS for another option - maybe the trend tends to be that those who get H and turn it down are more often really high GPA types, rather than high LSAT types.


Yep, this would also match what Stanford weights more (high GPA), and so the people accepted to H and go to S have high GPAs, which need to be filled with the WL.
Then again, maybe there are only a few high LSATers in the pool as it is, and they've accepted a large percentage, and so there just arent many of us that are left in the pool. Last year, it didnt look like there were any on LSN above 175 (I may be wrong...can't remember). So...maybe its just that there are so few of us that they look at us favorably. Thats at least the positive spin. I don't need to go through the negative spin though, for the sake of our sanity :)
Mr Bojangles, your GPA's probably high enough to get into one of the dropped out GPA spots though. Lots of people around there got in the past couple years.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby edits » Wed May 09, 2012 6:59 pm

Do you guys think today's dings are any indication of high yield (and few spots for us WLers)? I hope not!

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby yepyepyep » Wed May 09, 2012 7:03 pm

edits wrote:Do you guys think today's dings are any indication of high yield (and few spots for us WLers)? I hope not!



I was afraid of that too...but I think they knew when to set the cutoff for WLs by percentage of the class, and they reached it. So I don't think they regret this large of a WL as a result. But that being said, there's still going to be a fraction of us that get nothing. I just don't think that went up or down based on today...only meant that they didn't need more than us.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby sharktankdean » Wed May 09, 2012 7:13 pm

edits wrote:Do you guys think today's dings are any indication of high yield (and few spots for us WLers)? I hope not!



I actually don't think Harvard's yield is going to be higher than it was last year. I think they were just deciding the last round of WL/dings which they usually do. At this point they should have a good estimate of their yield and should start to make the WL-KB1s soon.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby adika86 » Wed May 09, 2012 7:43 pm

sharktankdean wrote:
edits wrote:Do you guys think today's dings are any indication of high yield (and few spots for us WLers)? I hope not!



I actually don't think Harvard's yield is going to be higher than it was last year. I think they were just deciding the last round of WL/dings which they usually do. At this point they should have a good estimate of their yield and should start to make the WL-KB1s soon.


Agreed with this.

Still have my 14th bet going.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby sharktankdean » Wed May 09, 2012 9:27 pm

I'm hoping for kb1 emails this week scheduled for next week. Please pick me!

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby thelawschoolproject » Wed May 09, 2012 11:04 pm

sharktankdean wrote:I'm hoping for kb1 emails this week scheduled for next week. Please pick me!


Yes, this.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby Elendil » Thu May 10, 2012 1:40 am

They're coming on Friday. I feel it in my bones.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby plurilingue » Thu May 10, 2012 4:30 am

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby Doorkeeper » Thu May 10, 2012 9:33 am

plurilingue wrote:Hmm, I want to mail some stuff, including an updated resume and personal statement to HLS, but I live in Beijing. Is it worth the obscene fee for expedited delivery versus the six weeks it might take using the regular Chinese mail? I figure I'll be released from the WL before they even get it the latter way, and yet I sense that not showing interest after being WLed is a bad move for someone with marginal numbers.

They know you're in China. I don't think you need to be too concerned.

This being said, unless expedited can get it there in under a week, I would just do regular.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby hypothalamus » Thu May 10, 2012 9:41 am

plurilingue wrote:Hmm, I want to mail some stuff, including an updated resume and personal statement to HLS, but I live in Beijing. Is it worth the obscene fee for expedited delivery versus the six weeks it might take using the regular Chinese mail? I figure I'll be released from the WL before they even get it the latter way, and yet I sense that not showing interest after being WLed is a bad move for someone with marginal numbers.


Can't you call them and ask to make an exception for you and print an email, adding it to your file?

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby Nelson » Thu May 10, 2012 9:44 am

I don't want to pay attention to this thread, but I can't help myself.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby Doorkeeper » Thu May 10, 2012 9:47 am

Also, LSN only has 103 people who've been WL this year. This is smaller than the past three years (128, 141, 125).

I don't know if less people are using LSN, or if Harvard is going with a smaller WL, or what.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby Nelson » Thu May 10, 2012 9:49 am

Doorkeeper wrote:Also, LSN only has 103 people who've been WL this year. This is smaller than the past three years (128, 141, 125).

I don't know if less people are using LSN, or if Harvard is going with a smaller WL, or what.

LSN user numbers have been trending down for awhile, since 2007 or something I think. Hard to say since it's an imperfect sample to begin with.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby marcellus » Thu May 10, 2012 10:08 am

Doorkeeper wrote:Also, LSN only has 103 people who've been WL this year. This is smaller than the past three years (128, 141, 125).

I don't know if less people are using LSN, or if Harvard is going with a smaller WL, or what.


Wonderful news! This could only get better if Yale pulls 20 people from the WL and Harvard has to open the WL floodgates!

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby marcellus » Thu May 10, 2012 10:23 am

PS - its interesting that LSN shows a 20-30% WL decrease because TLS is showing the same trend. Last year's TLS WL spreadsheet has about 100 people; this year's has about 60 so far and I estimate another 20 people or so have reported WLs but not filled out the form.

So this year TLS WLs = ~80, last year = ~100. And there's a 20% drop, similar to LSN's trend.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby icedflames » Thu May 10, 2012 10:26 am

marcellus wrote:PS - its interesting that LSN shows a 20-30% WL decrease because TLS is showing the same trend. Last year's TLS WL spreadsheet has about 100 people; this year's has about 60 so far and I estimate another 20 people or so have reported WLs but not filled out the form.

So this year TLS WLs = ~80, last year = ~100. And there's a 20% drop, similar to LSN's trend.


I keep forgetting to get on that WL spreadsheet -_-
On LSN, is it possible that people just stop updating after a certain point?

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby Doorkeeper » Thu May 10, 2012 10:33 am

icedflames wrote:
marcellus wrote:PS - its interesting that LSN shows a 20-30% WL decrease because TLS is showing the same trend. Last year's TLS WL spreadsheet has about 100 people; this year's has about 60 so far and I estimate another 20 people or so have reported WLs but not filled out the form.

So this year TLS WLs = ~80, last year = ~100. And there's a 20% drop, similar to LSN's trend.


I keep forgetting to get on that WL spreadsheet -_-
On LSN, is it possible that people just stop updating after a certain point?

Re LSN: This totally happens, but it's something that occurs every year, so it probably doesn't explain this year's decrease.

As per Nelson's point, I went back to LSN and there definitely are less people reporting this year than last. That probably helps to explain some of the decrease in numbers.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby masked kavana » Thu May 10, 2012 12:54 pm

Looking at LSN most people still pending have not updated for a couple of months..
Heres to Hoping that the smaller waitlist is a fact..

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby lsatTakerguy » Thu May 10, 2012 1:47 pm

checking in - didn't think I'd make it this far -best of luck to all

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Re: Harvard Waitlist 2012

Postby yepyepyep » Thu May 10, 2012 1:50 pm

I'm not sure a smaller waitlist is a good thing necessarily. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just saying that they probably have an idea based on who has matriculated how many wait-listed students they want in order to keep the percentage the same. A smaller contingent means they are expecting fewer accept-withdrawals. Maybe they're making the size of their class smaller this year than previous years, and so fewer spots will open up, so their waitlisted numbers will be fewer. I don't know.




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