Penn Waitlist 2012 Forum
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Penn Waitlist 2012
The "we like you but not enough" thread for Penn. Who's going to ride out the waitlist with me?
Decided, after the application ED deadline unfortunately, that Penn is my first choice. Got waitlisted and going to do whatever I can get get off the waitlist.
Decided, after the application ED deadline unfortunately, that Penn is my first choice. Got waitlisted and going to do whatever I can get get off the waitlist.
- cogitoergosum
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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012
Me too! Wrote an LOCI last week, hoping for some WL love!
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Hopefully good news for the both of us soon . Penn doesn't start looking at the waitlisted candidates until at least May so I'm going to take my time writing the LOCI. I will (hopefully) have an updated resume by then.cogitoergosum wrote:Me too! Wrote an LOCI last week, hoping for some WL love!
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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012
Going to ride this one out as well. g/l all!
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Checking in. I'm going to ride this one out. My #1 is definitely penn. Hoping for good news eventually.
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- cogitoergosum
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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012
Penn has years where they take LOTS off the waitlist, and other years where they take almost nobody. As I'm seeing it, I think our shot at Penn will largely depend on what kind of year this is. In my terrible neurosis, I've compiled some LSN data trying to find some statistical basis for a prediction about what this year's WL movement will look like. I can't say there's anything compelling here, but maybe one of you will see something I'm not.
Hoping this is a good WL year!
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2005/2006
Accepted: 212
Accepted -> Attending: 37
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 105
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 49.5%
Waitlisted: 140
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 50
WL -> Accepted: 14
2006/2007
Accepted: 204
Accepted -> Attending: 32
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 118
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 57.8%
Waitlisted: 270
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 106
WL -> Accepted: 26
2007/2008
Accepted: 219
Accepted -> Attending: 30
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 111
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 50.7
Waitlisted: 229
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 106
WL -> Accepted: 17
2008/2009
Accepted: 162
Accepted -> Attending: 31
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 79
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 48.8
Waitlisted: 246
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 112
WL -> Accepted: 3
2009/2010
Accepted: 192
Accepted -> Attending: 36
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 82
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 42.7
Waitlisted: 221
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 118
WL -> Accepted: 8
2010/2011
Accepted: 165
Accepted -> Attending: 30
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 71
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 43.0
Waitlisted: 152
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 84
WL -> Accepted: 2
2011/2012 (as of April 26, 9:00am)
Accepted: 184
Accepted -> Attending: 27
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 70
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 38.0%
Waitlisted: 221
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 107
WL -> Accepted: ?????
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The only thing that I think might be taken to mean something positive for us is that we're still five days pre-deadline, and the % Accepted -> Withdrawn number is already creeping up close to the last two years' numbers.
(usual caveats regarding LSN imperfections etc. apply)
Hoping this is a good WL year!
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2005/2006
Accepted: 212
Accepted -> Attending: 37
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 105
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 49.5%
Waitlisted: 140
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 50
WL -> Accepted: 14
2006/2007
Accepted: 204
Accepted -> Attending: 32
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 118
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 57.8%
Waitlisted: 270
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 106
WL -> Accepted: 26
2007/2008
Accepted: 219
Accepted -> Attending: 30
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 111
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 50.7
Waitlisted: 229
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 106
WL -> Accepted: 17
2008/2009
Accepted: 162
Accepted -> Attending: 31
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 79
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 48.8
Waitlisted: 246
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 112
WL -> Accepted: 3
2009/2010
Accepted: 192
Accepted -> Attending: 36
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 82
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 42.7
Waitlisted: 221
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 118
WL -> Accepted: 8
2010/2011
Accepted: 165
Accepted -> Attending: 30
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 71
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 43.0
Waitlisted: 152
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 84
WL -> Accepted: 2
2011/2012 (as of April 26, 9:00am)
Accepted: 184
Accepted -> Attending: 27
Accepted -> Withdrawn: 70
% Accepted -> Withdrawn: 38.0%
Waitlisted: 221
Waitlisted -> Withdrawn: 107
WL -> Accepted: ?????
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The only thing that I think might be taken to mean something positive for us is that we're still five days pre-deadline, and the % Accepted -> Withdrawn number is already creeping up close to the last two years' numbers.
(usual caveats regarding LSN imperfections etc. apply)
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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012
Nice data. The trend doesn't look too favorable though, the number of waitlisted people getting accepted has been getting smaller.
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Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s... Do you think this is poor planning on their part, experimentation in the admissions process (like with YP on the low WL-->accept years), or what? Way interesting.
I sent Penn a LOCI too, and am wondering what you all think about the optional essay... Penn is the only WL I am on that suggests an essay as a supplement for WLers. Do you think they would want something interesting or creative, or something very Why Penn-ish? Do you think doing an essay looks better than just writing a bunch of LOCIs, or do you think it doesn't really matter?
I sent Penn a LOCI too, and am wondering what you all think about the optional essay... Penn is the only WL I am on that suggests an essay as a supplement for WLers. Do you think they would want something interesting or creative, or something very Why Penn-ish? Do you think doing an essay looks better than just writing a bunch of LOCIs, or do you think it doesn't really matter?
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Sidenote, also interesting that the proportion of withdrawn/ total WL has increased over the years. I wonder what Penn's ranking was back in '05?
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IS the essay different than the LOCI? On the WL email it says you can submit ONE addition 2 pages essay on your choice of topicgravityrides0 wrote:Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s... Do you think this is poor planning on their part, experimentation in the admissions process (like with YP on the low WL-->accept years), or what? Way interesting.
I sent Penn a LOCI too, and am wondering what you all think about the optional essay... Penn is the only WL I am on that suggests an essay as a supplement for WLers. Do you think they would want something interesting or creative, or something very Why Penn-ish? Do you think doing an essay looks better than just writing a bunch of LOCIs, or do you think it doesn't really matter?
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I assumed that adding a two page essay to your app was different/more formal than a LOCI... hmmmm. If you think that for Penn a LOCI = the "essay", then I guess I missed my shot since I have already submitted a LOCI. =/msblaw89 wrote:IS the essay different than the LOCI? On the WL email it says you can submit ONE addition 2 pages essay on your choice of topicgravityrides0 wrote:Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s... Do you think this is poor planning on their part, experimentation in the admissions process (like with YP on the low WL-->accept years), or what? Way interesting.
I sent Penn a LOCI too, and am wondering what you all think about the optional essay... Penn is the only WL I am on that suggests an essay as a supplement for WLers. Do you think they would want something interesting or creative, or something very Why Penn-ish? Do you think doing an essay looks better than just writing a bunch of LOCIs, or do you think it doesn't really matter?
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I mean I don't know how they decipher LOCI vs. essay... But I think you are finegravityrides0 wrote:I assumed that adding a two page essay to your app was different/more formal than a LOCI... hmmmm. If you think that for Penn a LOCI = the "essay", then I guess I missed my shot since I have already submitted a LOCI. =/msblaw89 wrote:IS the essay different than the LOCI? On the WL email it says you can submit ONE addition 2 pages essay on your choice of topicgravityrides0 wrote:Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s... Do you think this is poor planning on their part, experimentation in the admissions process (like with YP on the low WL-->accept years), or what? Way interesting.
I sent Penn a LOCI too, and am wondering what you all think about the optional essay... Penn is the only WL I am on that suggests an essay as a supplement for WLers. Do you think they would want something interesting or creative, or something very Why Penn-ish? Do you think doing an essay looks better than just writing a bunch of LOCIs, or do you think it doesn't really matter?
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Well, the WL-> Accept has varied quite a bit, but not to the 100's... did you mean 10's?gravityrides0 wrote:Wow, I find it crazy that the WL--> accept has varied between years from 3 to in the 100s...
My guess is that this is due to the increasing number of people blanketing t-14. If you applied without a lot of thought, you probably are more likely to withdraw after WL.gravityrides0 wrote:Sidenote, also interesting that the proportion of withdrawn/ total WL has increased over the years. I wonder what Penn's ranking was back in '05?
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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012
Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?
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I'm sure hoping so...msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?
This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.
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cogitoergosum wrote:I'm sure hoping so...msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?
This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.
Unfortunately, I don't think us splitters have much of a chance. Past cycles indicate Penn targets GPAs off the WL. Not a lot of data to go on though.
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Are you referring to LSN data or do you have another source?Mr. Somebody wrote:cogitoergosum wrote:I'm sure hoping so...msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?
This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.
Unfortunately, I don't think us splitters have much of a chance. Past cycles indicate Penn targets GPAs off the WL. Not a lot of data to go on though.
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Re: Penn Waitlist 2012
Never caught your GPA...not sure my 3.8 would make the cut eitherMr. Somebody wrote:cogitoergosum wrote:I'm sure hoping so...msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?
This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.
Unfortunately, I don't think us splitters have much of a chance. Past cycles indicate Penn targets GPAs off the WL. Not a lot of data to go on though.
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Don't you have some t14 on lockdown?cogitoergosum wrote:I'm sure hoping so...msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?
This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.
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Not yet. Got into Gtown, but couldn't swing it geographically. Currently deposited at Fordham.msblaw89 wrote:Don't you have some t14 on lockdown?cogitoergosum wrote:I'm sure hoping so...msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?
This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.
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You're a median protector with that GPA, and with falling apps that would definitely make the cut.msblaw89 wrote:Never caught your GPA...not sure my 3.8 would make the cut eitherMr. Somebody wrote:cogitoergosum wrote:I'm sure hoping so...msblaw89 wrote:Anyone think Penn will take one of us lovelies from the WL?
This has been a LONG six months... Remember the Cornell thread in its glory days? Pretty sweet you're in with $$ now. Must be a nice safety blanket as you ride other WL's. Jelly.
Unfortunately, I don't think us splitters have much of a chance. Past cycles indicate Penn targets GPAs off the WL. Not a lot of data to go on though.
Interesting note on LSN - in the previous three cycles going back to 08-09, only one person with a 170+ score has been accepted off the waitlist.
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- msblaw89
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^^ I suppose that is good news for sub 170 scorers. I just hope Penn threw alot of acceptances at people who got into HYS
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I've spent lots of time looking through previous years' LSN data from Penn. My take: they usually seem to be out for LSAT or GPA (not both), and indeed, during the more recent years it has been GPA that they're after. But I don't think this alone suggests that they will be after GPA this year. It will depend upon the statistical profiles of those withdrawing, which in turn will depend (partially) upon the statistical profiles YHSCCN acceptances. I'm hanging on to optimism because I think NYU has dipped lower than usual into the LSAT pool.
Maybe, just maybe Penn will need help with their LSAT 75th this year..
Maybe, just maybe Penn will need help with their LSAT 75th this year..
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And solidifying its GPA mediancogitoergosum wrote:I've spent lots of time looking through previous years' LSN data from Penn. My take: they usually seem to be out for LSAT or GPA (not both), and indeed, during the more recent years it has been GPA that they're after. But I don't think this alone suggests that they will be after GPA this year. It will depend upon the statistical profiles of those withdrawing, which in turn will depend (partially) upon the statistical profiles YHSCCN acceptances. I'm hanging on to optimism because I think NYU has dipped lower than usual into the LSAT pool.
Maybe, just maybe Penn will need help with their LSAT 75th this year..
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Yes, that toomsblaw89 wrote:And solidifying its GPA mediancogitoergosum wrote:I've spent lots of time looking through previous years' LSN data from Penn. My take: they usually seem to be out for LSAT or GPA (not both), and indeed, during the more recent years it has been GPA that they're after. But I don't think this alone suggests that they will be after GPA this year. It will depend upon the statistical profiles of those withdrawing, which in turn will depend (partially) upon the statistical profiles YHSCCN acceptances. I'm hanging on to optimism because I think NYU has dipped lower than usual into the LSAT pool.
Maybe, just maybe Penn will need help with their LSAT 75th this year..
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