NYCLSATTutor wrote:paradox wrote:fatpeopleavenger wrote:
CUNY has better clinics (than St.John's) and better at guiding a student to a more specific career. .
Please provide a cite to substantiate your above statement which you offer as fact.
I respectfully disagree with your above statement that CUNY has better clinics than St.John's or that it provides better guidance for a career in public service. Take a moment to review the substantial governmental leaders that are St. John's grads ( see: former CIA Director Ron Brown, Governors Cosmo, Carey, police Commish Ray Kelly, and many, many more including hundreds of elected state & local officials, sitting Judges, commissioners at all levels of government, and others).
Most attend law school to become a practicing attorney. A CUNY grad will be at a substantial disadvantage if they do not pass the Bar exam. Hopefully CuNY addresses it's issues with regard to bar pass rate.
Unless you can point to a change in CUNY's teaching methods between 2 years ago and now, its a bit difficult to pin the falling bar pass rate on their teaching methods.
Ron Brown went to law school in 1970. 13 years before CUNY opened. I'm assuming by "Governor Cosmo" you are referring to Governor Andrew Cuomo. He went to law school in 1956, 27 years before CUNY opened. Carey received his degree in 1951, 32 years before CUNY opened. Ray Kelly graduated St. Johns in 1971, 12 years before CUNY opened.
Can you explain how CUNY is deficient because if failed to attract and promote these notable individuals 10+ years before the law school was admitting students?
You are also using inappropriate criteria. CUNY is unlikely to have as many elected officials as St. Johns. Why? Because they aren't trying to attract those types of people. They want people who have a public service mission to work to help the indigent, they aren't interested in politicians.
You disagree that CUNY has better clinics than St Johns?
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... g-rankings
CUNY is ranked 3rd. In the nation. Above both Yale and Stanford. St Johns is unranked.
As for public interest:
http://www.nationaljurist.com/content/b ... aw-schools
A ranking for public interest schools. CUNY is 10th. St Johns is, again, unranked.
As I've said in another thread, I'm not sure what your problem with CUNY is, but it seems to be personal. Care to explain why you are trashing them throughout the board?
Let's have this discussion elsewhere, shall we? This is just for admits, denials, waitlists, etc.
(For the record, I think that CUNY is a fine school for the money. They teach you how to practice and handle clients well, which is something that often gets lost on many other law schools. However, in lacking that academic edge that other schools enjoy, they tend to fall short on emphasizing legal topics that would often be on a bar exam, but never really encountered in real life. This is from what I've gathered from a CUNY grad, who has done very well for himself and works for the ACLU. He loves his job, but he admits it's not for everyone, especially of the deeply-indebted variety. I feel like if you're seeking a more well-rounded legal education, St. John's might be better as long as you can see yourself spending a lot more on law school. Either way, you better work as hard as you can to be Top 5 to 10% at either of these schools.)