Syracuse c/o 2015

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quovo
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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby quovo » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:30 pm

I sent my deposit in 2 weeks ago. I didn't hear anything from the school, so I emailed them today just to confirm and they said they got it.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby Chueyx1289 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:21 pm

cpinker3 wrote:Hey has anyone out there sent in Syracuse's intent to register form online and paid the seat deposit? If so did they email you to confirm that they got it?


I got an email confirmation

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:24 pm

Update on Financial Aid

Award Description Fall Spring Summer Total
Federal Direct Unsubsidized Ln
$10,250.00 $10,250.00 $0.00 $20,500.00
Federal Direct Grad Plus Ln
$16,750.00 $16,750.00 $0.00 $33,500.00
Law Tuition Grant
$4,000.00 $4,000.00 $0.00 $8,000.00
Total Aid Offered
$31,000.00 $31,000.00 $0.00 $62,000.00

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby tward » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:56 am

disconnected wrote:Update on Financial Aid

Award Description Fall Spring Summer Total
Federal Direct Unsubsidized Ln
$10,250.00 $10,250.00 $0.00 $20,500.00
Federal Direct Grad Plus Ln
$16,750.00 $16,750.00 $0.00 $33,500.00
Law Tuition Grant
$4,000.00 $4,000.00 $0.00 $8,000.00
Total Aid Offered
$31,000.00 $31,000.00 $0.00 $62,000.00





Loan Calculator
Loan Balance: $54,000.00
Adjusted Loan Balance: $54,000.00
Loan Interest Rate: 7.80%
Loan Fees: 0.00%
Loan Term: 10 years
Minimum Payment: $50.00
Degree Program: Lawyer (LLB or JD)

Monthly Loan Payment: $649.48
Number of Payments: 120

Cumulative Payments: $77,936.92
Total Interest Paid: $23,936.92
Note: The monthly loan payment was calculated at 119 payments of $649.48 plus a final payment of $648.80.

It is estimated that you will need an annual salary of at least $77,937.60 to be able to afford to repay this loan. This estimate assumes that 10% of your gross monthly income will be devoted to repaying your student loans. This corresponds to a debt-to-income ratio of 0.7. If you use 15% of your gross monthly income to repay the loan, you will need an annual salary of only $51,958.40, but you may experience some financial difficulty.This corresponds to a debt-to-income ratio of 1.0.

The following table lists the minimum income necessary to repay the debt without encountering a partial economic hardship. Partial economic hardship is defined as having annual education loan payments in excess of 15 percent of discretionary income, where discretionary income is the amount by which Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) exceeds 150 percent of the poverty line. This figure is shown in the Minimum AGI (IBR) column. The Minimum AGI (ICR) column uses an alternate definition of economic hardship, based on 20 percent of discretionary income which is defined as the excess of AGI over 100 percent of the poverty line.


Household Size Minimum AGI (IBR) Minimum AGI (ICR)
1 $68,203.00 $49,799.00
2 $73,813.00 $53,539.00
3 $79,423.00 $57,279.00
4 $85,033.00 $61,019.00
5 $90,643.00 $64,759.00
6 $96,253.00 $68,499.00

These results assume that the student is paying the interest charges on any unsubsidized loans and is not capitalizing the interest while in school. If the student is capitalizing the interest, the cumulative payments and total interest charges will be higher than shown here.

Extended repayment would cut the monthly payment by $239.83 (36.9%) by increasing the loan term to 25 years but would also increase the total interest paid over the life of the loan by $44,958.08 (187.8%), a factor of 2.88 increase. You should stick with the shortest loan term you can afford. After all, do you really want to still be repaying your own student loans when your children enroll in college?

Student loans do not have prepayment penalties. If you wish, you can make an extra payment to principal each month to accelerate repayment of the debt. If you pay an extra $25.00 a month, you will cut 0.5 years off of the 10-year repayment term and save $1,440.99 in interest over the life of the loan. If you pay an extra $50.00 a month, you will cut 1 year off of the 10-year repayment term and save $2,713.38 in interest over the life of the loan. If you pay an extra $100.00 a month, you will cut 1.8 years off of the 10-year repayment term and save $4,859.34 in interest over the life of the loan.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby tward » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:03 am

tward wrote:
disconnected wrote:Update on Financial Aid

Award Description Fall Spring Summer Total
Federal Direct Unsubsidized Ln
$10,250.00 $10,250.00 $0.00 $20,500.00
Federal Direct Grad Plus Ln
$16,750.00 $16,750.00 $0.00 $33,500.00
Law Tuition Grant
$4,000.00 $4,000.00 $0.00 $8,000.00
Total Aid Offered
$31,000.00 $31,000.00 $0.00 $62,000.00





Loan Calculator
Loan Balance: $54,000.00
Adjusted Loan Balance: $54,000.00
Loan Interest Rate: 7.80%
Loan Fees: 0.00%
Loan Term: 10 years
Minimum Payment: $50.00
Degree Program: Lawyer (LLB or JD)

Monthly Loan Payment: $649.48
Number of Payments: 120

Cumulative Payments: $77,936.92
Total Interest Paid: $23,936.92
Note: The monthly loan payment was calculated at 119 payments of $649.48 plus a final payment of $648.80.

It is estimated that you will need an annual salary of at least $77,937.60 to be able to afford to repay this loan. This estimate assumes that 10% of your gross monthly income will be devoted to repaying your student loans. This corresponds to a debt-to-income ratio of 0.7. If you use 15% of your gross monthly income to repay the loan, you will need an annual salary of only $51,958.40, but you may experience some financial difficulty.This corresponds to a debt-to-income ratio of 1.0.

The following table lists the minimum income necessary to repay the debt without encountering a partial economic hardship. Partial economic hardship is defined as having annual education loan payments in excess of 15 percent of discretionary income, where discretionary income is the amount by which Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) exceeds 150 percent of the poverty line. This figure is shown in the Minimum AGI (IBR) column. The Minimum AGI (ICR) column uses an alternate definition of economic hardship, based on 20 percent of discretionary income which is defined as the excess of AGI over 100 percent of the poverty line.


Household Size Minimum AGI (IBR) Minimum AGI (ICR)
1 $68,203.00 $49,799.00
2 $73,813.00 $53,539.00
3 $79,423.00 $57,279.00
4 $85,033.00 $61,019.00
5 $90,643.00 $64,759.00
6 $96,253.00 $68,499.00

These results assume that the student is paying the interest charges on any unsubsidized loans and is not capitalizing the interest while in school. If the student is capitalizing the interest, the cumulative payments and total interest charges will be higher than shown here.

Extended repayment would cut the monthly payment by $239.83 (36.9%) by increasing the loan term to 25 years but would also increase the total interest paid over the life of the loan by $44,958.08 (187.8%), a factor of 2.88 increase. You should stick with the shortest loan term you can afford. After all, do you really want to still be repaying your own student loans when your children enroll in college?

Student loans do not have prepayment penalties. If you wish, you can make an extra payment to principal each month to accelerate repayment of the debt. If you pay an extra $25.00 a month, you will cut 0.5 years off of the 10-year repayment term and save $1,440.99 in interest over the life of the loan. If you pay an extra $50.00 a month, you will cut 1 year off of the 10-year repayment term and save $2,713.38 in interest over the life of the loan. If you pay an extra $100.00 a month, you will cut 1.8 years off of the 10-year repayment term and save $4,859.34 in interest over the life of the loan.



Then multiply by 3 for each of the years you borrow and it will approach $2000.00 PER MONTH! Be careful this is not a gift. And non-dischargable in bankruptcy.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:37 am

Syracuse Median public service starting salary $50,000
Syracuse Median private sector starting salary $60,000

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $50,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4
Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $205.

120 payments of $205 equals $24600 with $137400 forgiven.

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $60,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4

Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $330.

120 payments of $330 equals $39600 paid with $122400 forgiven.

Even at a six figure income of $100k, you make monthly payment amount of approximately $830 will be $100k paid with $62k forgiven.
I think Law school is a decent investment.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby Sherlock1708 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:06 am

disconnected wrote:Syracuse Median public service starting salary $50,000
Syracuse Median private sector starting salary $60,000

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $50,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4
Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $205.

120 payments of $205 equals $24600 with $137400 forgiven.

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $60,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4

Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $330.

120 payments of $330 equals $39600 paid with $122400 forgiven.

Even at a six figure income of $100k, you make monthly payment amount of approximately $830 will be $100k paid with $62k forgiven.
I think Law school is a decent investment.


Yikes. I wouldn't count on IBR to absolve your student loan debt. First of all, IBR is useful assuming you have a job. Public interest jobs are not as easy to secure as one might think. Additionally, you must be employed in public service for 10 straight years to really derive any benefit from IBR. If not, your repayment plan changes to 25 years. If you take a private sector job, even if you make only $60,000, your repayment plan is 25 years. This whole time, depending on your income, you may barely even make a dent in the principal on the balance. After 25 years, yes, your debt is forgiven, but this debt is considered taxable income. And let's be honest, who wants to be 50+ years old and still have over $100,000 in law school debt? Forget having children or providing a nice lifestyle for your family. Forget buying a house or a new car. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, but this sounds like an awful way to spend your adulthood and you better enjoy practicing law. Unfortunately, law school tuition is a total scam and unless you finish at the top of your class (especially outside of the top 15 schools or so) or have strong personal connections (aka job lined up), you may want to rethink if law school is for you. Sadly, for most it's a bad investment.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby swagu » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:59 pm

quovo wrote:I sent my deposit in 2 weeks ago. I didn't hear anything from the school, so I emailed them today just to confirm and they said they got it.


Same here. Emailed them and they confirmed

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:00 pm

Sherlock1708 wrote:
disconnected wrote:Syracuse Median public service starting salary $50,000
Syracuse Median private sector starting salary $60,000

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $50,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4
Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $205.

120 payments of $205 equals $24600 with $137400 forgiven.

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $60,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4

Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $330.

120 payments of $330 equals $39600 paid with $122400 forgiven.

Even at a six figure income of $100k, you make monthly payment amount of approximately $830 will be $100k paid with $62k forgiven.
I think Law school is a decent investment.


Yikes. I wouldn't count on IBR to absolve your student loan debt. First of all, IBR is useful assuming you have a job. Public interest jobs are not as easy to secure as one might think. Additionally, you must be employed in public service for 10 straight years to really derive any benefit from IBR. If not, your repayment plan changes to 25 years. If you take a private sector job, even if you make only $60,000, your repayment plan is 25 years. This whole time, depending on your income, you may barely even make a dent in the principal on the balance. After 25 years, yes, your debt is forgiven, but this debt is considered taxable income. And let's be honest, who wants to be 50+ years old and still have over $100,000 in law school debt? Forget having children or providing a nice lifestyle for your family. Forget buying a house or a new car. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, but this sounds like an awful way to spend your adulthood and you better enjoy practicing law. Unfortunately, law school tuition is a total scam and unless you finish at the top of your class (especially outside of the top 15 schools or so) or have strong personal connections (aka job lined up), you may want to rethink if law school is for you. Sadly, for most it's a bad investment.


Good advice, but some people remake the world the way they want to see it, as opposed to how it really is. Having taken a look at many of the threads on tls, "rationalizing" is nothing short of an epidemic here.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby quovo » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:40 pm

BarcaCrossesTheAlps wrote:
Sherlock1708 wrote:
disconnected wrote:Syracuse Median public service starting salary $50,000
Syracuse Median private sector starting salary $60,000

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $50,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4
Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $205.

120 payments of $205 equals $24600 with $137400 forgiven.

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $60,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4

Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $330.

120 payments of $330 equals $39600 paid with $122400 forgiven.

Even at a six figure income of $100k, you make monthly payment amount of approximately $830 will be $100k paid with $62k forgiven.
I think Law school is a decent investment.


Yikes. I wouldn't count on IBR to absolve your student loan debt. First of all, IBR is useful assuming you have a job. Public interest jobs are not as easy to secure as one might think. Additionally, you must be employed in public service for 10 straight years to really derive any benefit from IBR. If not, your repayment plan changes to 25 years. If you take a private sector job, even if you make only $60,000, your repayment plan is 25 years. This whole time, depending on your income, you may barely even make a dent in the principal on the balance. After 25 years, yes, your debt is forgiven, but this debt is considered taxable income. And let's be honest, who wants to be 50+ years old and still have over $100,000 in law school debt? Forget having children or providing a nice lifestyle for your family. Forget buying a house or a new car. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, but this sounds like an awful way to spend your adulthood and you better enjoy practicing law. Unfortunately, law school tuition is a total scam and unless you finish at the top of your class (especially outside of the top 15 schools or so) or have strong personal connections (aka job lined up), you may want to rethink if law school is for you. Sadly, for most it's a bad investment.


Good advice, but some people remake the world the way they want to see it, as opposed to how it really is. Having taken a look at many of the threads on tls, "rationalizing" is nothing short of an epidemic here.


If rationalizing is an epidemic, one must admit so too is pessimism, despondency, and omniscience.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:31 pm

quovo wrote:
BarcaCrossesTheAlps wrote:
Sherlock1708 wrote:
disconnected wrote:Syracuse Median public service starting salary $50,000
Syracuse Median private sector starting salary $60,000

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $50,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4
Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $205.

120 payments of $205 equals $24600 with $137400 forgiven.

Income-Based Calculator Results Your Information
Estimated Total Adjusted Gross Income: $60,000
Your Estimated Total Student Loans: $162,000
Your Estimated Average Interest Rate On Your Student Loans: 7.8%
Where You Live: Outside of Alaska and Hawaii
Family Size: 4

Your Results
According to the information you provided, it appears that you are eligible for the Income-Based Repayment plan with a monthly payment amount of approximately $330.

120 payments of $330 equals $39600 paid with $122400 forgiven.

Even at a six figure income of $100k, you make monthly payment amount of approximately $830 will be $100k paid with $62k forgiven.
I think Law school is a decent investment.


Yikes. I wouldn't count on IBR to absolve your student loan debt. First of all, IBR is useful assuming you have a job. Public interest jobs are not as easy to secure as one might think. Additionally, you must be employed in public service for 10 straight years to really derive any benefit from IBR. If not, your repayment plan changes to 25 years. If you take a private sector job, even if you make only $60,000, your repayment plan is 25 years. This whole time, depending on your income, you may barely even make a dent in the principal on the balance. After 25 years, yes, your debt is forgiven, but this debt is considered taxable income. And let's be honest, who wants to be 50+ years old and still have over $100,000 in law school debt? Forget having children or providing a nice lifestyle for your family. Forget buying a house or a new car. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, but this sounds like an awful way to spend your adulthood and you better enjoy practicing law. Unfortunately, law school tuition is a total scam and unless you finish at the top of your class (especially outside of the top 15 schools or so) or have strong personal connections (aka job lined up), you may want to rethink if law school is for you. Sadly, for most it's a bad investment.


Good advice, but some people remake the world the way they want to see it, as opposed to how it really is. Having taken a look at many of the threads on tls, "rationalizing" is nothing short of an epidemic here.


If rationalizing is an epidemic, one must admit so too is pessimism, despondency, and omniscience.


How so...?

I fear you mistake realism and pragmatism for "pessimism" and "despondency." As far as "omniscience," no one here makes such claims, rather we utilize empirical data such as can be found on many websites, including tls and lst, to make the realistic statements we make.

Look, no offense to you. Good luck! I mean that, because I don't like seeing people work in debt slavery. I honestly hope everyone here succeeds, and some surely will. But the crux of the situation and the debate point lie in the data we have: employment prospects are weak, salary is weak, debt is high.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby quovo » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:49 pm

Thank you. Good luck to you and to all those on TLS. To answer the question and explain my gripe, allow me some latitude with the following.

I feel like the average TLS user, put in the role of an MLB manager, would discourage a batter from stepping up to the plate since stats clearly show that for over a century, even the best hitters fail almost 70% of the time. Therefore, putting on a batting glove and grabbing a bat are a waste of time since one is most likely going to fail. Should we call such a manager a pragmatic realist, or a despondent pessimist?

What alarms me is the eagerness of some to forecast with certainty the future of other prospective students based on where they attend. The certainty seems like it stems from someone who regards himself/herself as having infinite awareness, understanding and insight -- traits of an entity claiming omniscience.

I'm aware of the cost, risks and challenges I'm about to face. Knowing this, as well as maybe just wanting to inspire something positive for a change on TLS, I remain excited to attend Syracuse this fall. Maybe I'll see some of you there.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:16 pm

I will see you there at Syracuse this fall. I am excited and aware of the financial commitment. I have utilized Google maps to take a virtual tour of the campus and the town. I have picked out some restaurants and recreational spots to checkout. I enjoy reading in preparation for the Law school experience. I am into 5 books atm. E&E Contract by Blum p.92, E&E Criminal Law by Singer p. 275, Getting to Maybe by Fischl p. 17, Planet Law School II by Falcon p. 40, Law School Confidential by Miller p. 148. I can't wait for school to start! I have a small window of opportunity in attending ASD on April 20th.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:22 pm

Class Selection
Your entire schedule is chosen for you in the first year of law school. The registrar divides the incoming students into the several LCR sections of 20 students each. The students in your LCR class will have every class with you. Those LCR sections are then put together in various combinations to produce sections for torts, contracts, and civil procedure. But just because another LCR section is in your torts class doesn't mean it will be in your contracts class. For example, if you're in LCR 1, your torts class may include LCR 2, 3, and 4, but your civil procedure class may include LCR 4, 5, and 6. You don't get to choose your LCR section, which professors you have, or which times you take the classes. This is true for spring semester, too. You will stay with your same LCR section, but you don't get to choose who your new LCR professor is (it'll change in the spring semester) or the professors/times you have your other subjects of constitutional law, criminal law, or property law. The lone exception is the legislation and policy course you take in the spring. We could choose the one we wanted to take, but since some sections filled up more quickly than others (each section was limited to 50 students), some of my classmates were stuck taking their second or third choice of L&P topics.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:24 pm

Parking
West Lot (Stadium) will be the closest lot to the law school. Parking Services might have better answers for you, http://parking.syr.edu/. There's more detailed information on student permits here, http://parking.syr.edu/Parking/display. ... nt_Permits. When you read this page, keep in mind that "First Year Student" only applies to freshmen undergrads. Regardless of our year in law school, we're covered under the blanket "Graduate Student" term.

We can't park in the parking garage across the street from the law school until next year, at double the parking permit cost.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby quovo » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:44 pm

I attended ASD a few weeks ago and enjoyed the visit! Campus West (the new law school dorms) looked cozy, the students seemed to be in good spirits and administration/faculty seemed very open and receptive.

I don't know if I'll read as many of the supplements before classes start. I may get into them once I grasp what cases professors are concentrating on.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby TLSlogin » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:49 pm

Has anyone found apartments yet? Seems like most of them near the school, including Campus West, require a 12 month lease.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:47 pm

My needs are different, I have a family. http://orangehousing.com/ Craigslist and realtor.com are my daily friends for looking.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby jamesm722 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:49 pm

I am attending in the fall. My fiancé is already there. I am pretty familiar with the area. UV Colvin allows for 10 month leases and Campus West should as well.

Orangehousing.com as disconnected mentioned. Also clarendon heights is pretty nice as I looked there last year for a job. There's some really nice places but it depends on your price point and size needed.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby sammyk » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:51 pm

Hey Everyone!

Congrats to all of those accepted to this school! Also, Good luck to everyone still waiting!

My file at this school went complete on March 8th, and I was wondering if any of you had any insight to how long the process takes? Theres no status checker which makes it so hard for obsessive checkers like myself.

Thanks y'all!

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby paradox » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:09 pm

If you will attend Syracuse University School of Law next year then you should get acquainted with the below linked grading policy which was implemented this academic year.

When I visited Syracuse I was told by a 1L that the new grading policy has caused an upward spike in academic casualties and voluntary attrition and general discomfort and misery among 1L student. A Syracuse law 3L told me that Syracuse SOL will increase the size of this incoming class of 2015 to make up for the anticipated increased academic attrition. I do not know whether what the 3L told me is true but when you familiarize yourself with the grading curve then you understand that it will make the lives of students unnecessarily stressful.

In a class of 80 students the professor can only give out 4 A's but must give 12 grades (C, D &F) which will be below the grad necessary 2.2 average necessary to graduate. A student that gets mostly grades of "C+" being a 2.33 (which under the curve will me a good number of the students) will be teetering on the edge of the required 2.2 needed to graduate.

I favored Syracuse University School of Law until I was told of the below curve.

Please accept the information included in this post in the constructive "heads up" manner it is intended.

LINK:
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Graduation Requirements
In order to graduate, a student must receive credit for 87 hours of course work and have a cumulative average of at least 2.2 based upon all courses taken.

Letter Grade GPA
A 4.0
A- 3.666
B+ 3.333
B 3.0
B- 2.666
C+ 2.333
C 2.0
C- 1.666
D 1.0
F 0.0
P C or higher


Grading Curve

Grades for all students must have a mean between 2.90 and 3.10 and distributed within the following percentages:

Letter Grade Distribution %
A 5%
A- 10%
B+, B, B-, C+, C 70% - 75%
C-, D, F 5% - 10%

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:15 pm

Grades don't matter, class rankings do. So the grades are all relative. Also there is nothing you can do about it.

That also means in a class of 80, 70 students are guaranteed to pass the class. It would be hard to fail out of 1L with that policy.

For the A students, it won't matter, just deal with the fact that an A might be a B+ for 1L and still be Magna Cum Laude, a B average for 1L could be a top 25% of the class aka Cum Laude and on the dean's list for the semester.

Technically you could have a 3.0 B GPA and still be top 25% and Cum Laude.

Also consider that there will be lots of Bs and Cs.

Most 2L classes are NOT bound by the grading policy.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby quovo » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:21 am

sammyk wrote:Hey Everyone!

Congrats to all of those accepted to this school! Also, Good luck to everyone still waiting!

My file at this school went complete on March 8th, and I was wondering if any of you had any insight to how long the process takes? Theres no status checker which makes it so hard for obsessive checkers like myself.

Thanks y'all!


Mine took bout a month after it went complete on Feb 8. I actually found out by e-mail, then packet came about a week after and financial aid another week or so after that.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby quovo » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:37 am

paradox wrote:If you will attend Syracuse University School of Law next year then you should get acquainted with the below linked grading policy which was implemented this academic year.

When I visited Syracuse I was told by a 1L that the new grading policy has caused an upward spike in academic casualties and voluntary attrition and general discomfort and misery among 1L student. A Syracuse law 3L told me that Syracuse SOL will increase the size of this incoming class of 2015 to make up for the anticipated increased academic attrition. I do not know whether what the 3L told me is true but when you familiarize yourself with the grading curve then you understand that it will make the lives of students unnecessarily stressful.

In a class of 80 students the professor can only give out 4 A's but must give 12 grades (C, D &F) which will be below the grad necessary 2.2 average necessary to graduate. A student that gets mostly grades of "C+" being a 2.33 (which under the curve will me a good number of the students) will be teetering on the edge of the required 2.2 needed to graduate.

I favored Syracuse University School of Law until I was told of the below curve.

Please accept the information included in this post in the constructive "heads up" manner it is intended.

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Graduation Requirements
In order to graduate, a student must receive credit for 87 hours of course work and have a cumulative average of at least 2.2 based upon all courses taken.

Letter Grade GPA
A 4.0
A- 3.666
B+ 3.333
B 3.0
B- 2.666
C+ 2.333
C 2.0
C- 1.666
D 1.0
F 0.0
P C or higher


Grading Curve

Grades for all students must have a mean between 2.90 and 3.10 and distributed within the following percentages:

Letter Grade Distribution %
A 5%
A- 10%
B+, B, B-, C+, C 70% - 75%
C-, D, F 5% - 10%


Many schools have some form of curve. I'm aware of the curve, but not bothered by it. It's difficult to focus on failure and end up successful. I'm gonna play to win instead of not to lose.

Just curious paradox, which school's offer did you accept that promised it'd be easy? Are they still accepting app's?

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby Mr Cooper » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:50 pm

disconnected wrote:Grades don't matter, class rankings do. So the grades are all relative. Also there is nothing you can do about it.

That also means in a class of 80, 70 students are guaranteed to pass the class. It would be hard to fail out of 1L with that policy.

For the A students, it won't matter, just deal with the fact that an A might be a B+ for 1L and still be Magna Cum Laude, a B average for 1L could be a top 25% of the class aka Cum Laude and on the dean's list for the semester.

Technically you could have a 3.0 B GPA and still be top 25% and Cum Laude.

Also consider that there will be lots of Bs and Cs.

Most 2L classes are NOT bound by the grading policy.


This is one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time. Grades do matter. They're the only thing that matters. What do you think class rank is based off of? If you're gunning for a 3.0 at SU then you are going to have one miserable life (assuming you are taking out loans). Do you move your lips when you read? If the curve is 2.9 - 3.1 than a B average (3.0) is not the top 25% of the class. It is in the dead middle of the class. The 50th percentile is not Cum Laude or Dean's List. And none of those prestige labels mean anything other than Law Review and Order of the Coif, which you sure as hell aren't getting if you're anywhere within the 2.9 - 3.1 range.

By the time you're done with 1L you're pretty much locked into where you will finish at law school. While it is true that 2/3 of your law school career still await you, 1L grades matter much more than the rest. This is because job offers tend to be based off of them. Gaining summer employment the summer after 1L is solely based on your 1L fall grades. Then OCI in your 2L year to try to gain summer employment for the next summer is based only on you're 1L grades. Summer employment is crucial to gaining legal employment after law school. Many of the offers to law students come from where they've worked during their summers, and if you are unemployed at graduation, you're only real legal experience comes from summer employment. People want real experience. Good luck trying to get a job if you're only experience is Moot Court or Trial Advocacy. This is why there has been so much controversy about the necessity of law school being 3 years.

And in New York of all places, dear God do you need to be near the top your class to get a job, especially from a school not named NYU, Columbia, or Cornell. There were what, over 9,000 law grads last year competing for a little over 2,000 job openings?




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