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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:00 pm

They don't have status check, so you know when they send something to you...

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby tward » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:23 pm

Sherlock1708 wrote:
paradox wrote:Sherlock1708

1. Did they say what the tuition increase will be next year? I was told by a 1L that next year tuition and required fees will be $47,000 (yikes !!)

2. Did the SU presenters comment on the new mandatory grading curve that created a record number of academic casualties and withdrawals after the 1st semester? The 1L I spoke to indicated that only 1 "A" can be awarded for each 20 students but that 15% of the class must get a final grade of below "C".


Hmmm... No one mentioned anything about an increase in tuition... although I suppose it will happen. I know as it stands right now, that tuition, fees, COL will be around $62,000. I will most likely deposit here, but not without an increase in scholarship money. Even with the $60,000 (total for all 3 years), I will have to take out around $120,000. In order to pay this off in the standard 10 years, that will be around $1,400 per month... assuming I even have a job that would make this feasible. The Assistant Dean of Career Services said you need to definitely be in the top 10% of your class in order to get a job in big law (where paying $1,400 a month would be possible). I e-mailed her today to see how many big law firms participate in OCI, and she said around 3-5 firms. So chances of big law, without connections, are slim. But I did talk to a student who secured a big law summer associate position, so it's not impossible. Not that big law is everything, but I don't see how one expects to pay off all this debt without it.

A lot of people inquired about the curve and professors are ALLOWED to give 5% of the class an A, 10% of the class an A-, and with the majority of the class receiving a 2.9 - 3.1. So yes, this means that 15% of the class must receive below a 2.9. One student says it depends on the professor. In one class, this student said that the professor chose to give zero A's and gave out 5 F's. I think the class you are referring to in regards to the 1 A grade is in the legal writing section. The legal writing section is around 18 students and yes, only one person receives an A. (This is the same way my undergrad graded the mandatory expos writing class that all freshmen had to take and it sucked). Another thing I just remembered, the 2L that was explaining the legal writing section said that you remain in this section all year round and take all of your classes with the 17 other people in your section.

Despite the negativity of this post, I really did enjoy Syracuse. I think it has a lot to offer and outcompetes its peer schools because of its large alumni base. It seems like a lot of students enroll in the JD/MPA program and the MPA program is considered one of the top programs in the country. However, I'm not sure I would attend here at sticker price, unless your parents are paying for your education or you definitely have a way to pay back the debt.




This school is so unbelievably overpriced. I was going to go but 62k x 3= 186k in loans with 7.9 percent interest. Do the math. It is absolute nonsense for a school ranked #94 which had been ranked #100. I will be going to a higher ranked school that has out of state tuition @ 22k and coa of 33k. I will not burden my parents and can sleep at night. Good luck to everyone but I refuse to get stuck up even though it had been my first choice. It did not make economic sense. I just withdrew and someone worthy can have my spot. I just hope they know the financial suicide they are undergoing.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:53 pm

tward wrote:This school is so unbelievably overpriced. I was going to go but 62k x 3= 186k in loans with 7.9 percent interest. Do the math. It is absolute nonsense for a school ranked #94 which had been ranked #100. I will be going to a higher ranked school that has out of state tuition @ 22k and coa of 33k. I will not burden my parents and can sleep at night. Good luck to everyone but I refuse to get stuck up even though it had been my first choice. It did not make economic sense. I just withdrew and someone worthy can have my spot. I just hope they know the financial suicide they are undergoing.



The price shouldn't matter. Especially since, when I get out and only make $50k per year for a non-profit. IBR and Loan forgiveness will only require me to make $100 per month payments. If we could have gotten into a higher ranked school, we might have attended.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby tward » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:53 pm

Fletcher Reed wrote:
tward wrote:This school is so unbelievably overpriced. I was going to go but 62k x 3= 186k in loans with 7.9 percent interest. Do the math. It is absolute nonsense for a school ranked #94 which had been ranked #100. I will be going to a higher ranked school that has out of state tuition @ 22k and coa of 33k. I will not burden my parents and can sleep at night. Good luck to everyone but I refuse to get stuck up even though it had been my first choice. It did not make economic sense. I just withdrew and someone worthy can have my spot. I just hope they know the financial suicide they are undergoing.


It's clear that you were denied admission from this school, otherwise you wouldn't have the desire to bash your "first choice". If it truly was your "first choice", you would be attending and not moving to ARKANSAS and going to a school that only has access to the legal market in LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS--REGARDLESS of your alleged "legal connections" elsewhere you mentioned in other posts.
Grow up. You sound ridiculous and infantile.



Hey Fletch....unfortunately I would have had to pay sticker at SU. I can borrow 20,500 and then 43,500 on top of that with the federal loans. I merely am stating that upon reflection, for me, it would be financial strangulation. If others get a handsome scholly, good for them. But sticker price is not manageable unless you get a big law job at the end....which is a remote chance.

And yes, for me, it makes more sense to go to U of A with no loans. And I do have a guaranteed job back east with a family law firm. I got my SU tee shirt but it simply is too expensive for ME to wear. I hope you got a scholly and hope with the curve you can hang on to it. I also hope you finish in the top 10 percent of your class and are one of the ten students who interview for the 2 big law jobs. And I hope you get it. If not all of the above, you were warned. Good luck. I am not a troll or infantile. Just have thought through full sticker at SU and do not feel for ME it was a practical alternative. I hope others who like me had to pay full sticker understand the financial stress which will follow. I thought this forum was for admits who could voice their opinions. Sorry for stating my situation and my perception.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:25 am

Well, yeah,..... but the shirt IS kick ass. :lol:

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby Mr Cooper » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:55 pm

tward wrote:
Fletcher Reed wrote:
tward wrote:This school is so unbelievably overpriced. I was going to go but 62k x 3= 186k in loans with 7.9 percent interest. Do the math. It is absolute nonsense for a school ranked #94 which had been ranked #100. I will be going to a higher ranked school that has out of state tuition @ 22k and coa of 33k. I will not burden my parents and can sleep at night. Good luck to everyone but I refuse to get stuck up even though it had been my first choice. It did not make economic sense. I just withdrew and someone worthy can have my spot. I just hope they know the financial suicide they are undergoing.


It's clear that you were denied admission from this school, otherwise you wouldn't have the desire to bash your "first choice". If it truly was your "first choice", you would be attending and not moving to ARKANSAS and going to a school that only has access to the legal market in LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS--REGARDLESS of your alleged "legal connections" elsewhere you mentioned in other posts.
Grow up. You sound ridiculous and infantile.



Hey Fletch....unfortunately I would have had to pay sticker at SU. I can borrow 20,500 and then 43,500 on top of that with the federal loans. I merely am stating that upon reflection, for me, it would be financial strangulation. If others get a handsome scholly, good for them. But sticker price is not manageable unless you get a big law [ERROR: 404] at the end....which is a remote chance.

And yes, for me, it makes more sense to go to U of A with no loans. And I do have a guaranteed [ERROR: 404] back east with a family law potato. I got my SU tee shirt but it simply is too expensive for ME to wear. I hope you got a scholly and hope with the curve you can hang on to it. I also hope you finish in the top 10 percent of your class and are one of the ten students who interview for the 2 big law [ERROR: 404]. And I hope you get it. If not all of the above, you were warned. Good luck. I am not a troll or infantile. Just have thought through full sticker at SU and do not feel for ME it was a practical alternative. I hope others who like me had to pay full sticker understand the financial stress which will follow. I thought this forum was for admits who could voice their opinions. Sorry for stating my situation and my perception.


Dude, Arkansas OOS after interest is still six figures in debt. While its good that you realize what a mistake SU is for most, you're not doing yourself any favors if that is your alternative. Rankings don't matter much after the T20 and there is no difference with Arkansas being ranked 89th compared to SU at 96. Arkansas ranked ahead of SU being a main factor in your decision is a mistake. Look instate wherever you are.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby DC818 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:16 pm

Shirt was a nice touch, but not giving a scholarship to an applicant who received $ at several higher ranked schools...nope.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:50 am

DC818 wrote:Shirt was a nice touch, but not giving a scholarship to an applicant who received mad skrilla at several higher ranked schools...nope.



? Financial Aid...?

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby DC818 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:29 am

BarcaCrossesTheAlps wrote:
DC818 wrote:Shirt was a nice touch, but not giving a scholarship to an applicant who received mad skrilla at several higher ranked schools...nope.



? Financial Aid...?


Nope, only merit scholarships.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:01 pm

NYC KID wrote:
disconnected wrote:
NYC KID wrote:Got my financial aid info today. Syracuse was generous, but I'm still waiting on scholarship info.


What is available financial aid wise?
I was thinking with a Bachelors degree, that for grad school it is only loans?
I got $20,500 of unsubsidized loans.
What about the other $41,500?
PLUS loans?


The $20,500 loan plus a $4,000 grant, but I was expecting nothing at all.


Today I was notified $20,500 Federal Direct Unsub loan plus $8000 Law Tuition Grant, need based, no stips.
I was not expecting this. I will be depositing in 10 days, unless something changes with admits.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:15 pm

So, $28,500? Just curious how you will pay for the rest. Isn't tuition $44,000? Plus COL...


Just curious to see how people go about paying it... you got 20,500 in unsub, so there will be about another 20K in sub loans allowed, then what? Private loans?

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby noleknight16 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:42 pm

Fletcher Reed wrote:
tward wrote:This school is so unbelievably overpriced. I was going to go but 62k x 3= 186k in loans with 7.9 percent interest. Do the math. It is absolute nonsense for a school ranked #94 which had been ranked #100. I will be going to a higher ranked school that has out of state tuition @ 22k and coa of 33k. I will not burden my parents and can sleep at night. Good luck to everyone but I refuse to get stuck up even though it had been my first choice. It did not make economic sense. I just withdrew and someone worthy can have my spot. I just hope they know the financial suicide they are undergoing.


It's clear that you were denied admission from this school, otherwise you wouldn't have the desire to bash your "first choice". If it truly was your "first choice", you would be attending and not moving to ARKANSAS and going to a school that only has access to the legal market in LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS--REGARDLESS of your alleged "legal connections" elsewhere you mentioned in other posts.

Grow up. You sound ridiculous and infantile.


While he is coming across bad, he does have good points. I was accepted to Cuse with 60k last year but it simply wasn't worth it. Unfortunately, reality is Syracuse has neglected their law program for decades. They are building a new law school building, but will they stay committed to improving the law school? Tuition is wayyyyyyyyyy too expensive for an almost tier 3 school.

If you're going to pay sticker, do it at a law school with an amazing reputation.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:09 pm

BarcaCrossesTheAlps wrote:So, $28,500? Just curious how you will pay for the rest. Isn't tuition $44,000? Plus COL...


Just curious to see how people go about paying it... you got 20,500 in unsub, so there will be about another 20K in sub loans allowed, then what? Private loans?


I mentioned this before.... $33,500 of Unsub Plus loans. It sure beats living under the interstate bridge.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:04 pm

The wife and I have job interviews in Syracuse to lineup. When does housing open up in Syracuse? After graduation? Are leases typically August to August? Or August to May? Would housing begin to be listed online this month? Or do you typically wait for July or August?

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby ladyjustice » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:26 am

noleknight16 wrote:
Fletcher Reed wrote:
tward wrote:This school is so unbelievably overpriced. I was going to go but 62k x 3= 186k in loans with 7.9 percent interest. Do the math. It is absolute nonsense for a school ranked #94 which had been ranked #100. I will be going to a higher ranked school that has out of state tuition @ 22k and coa of 33k. I will not burden my parents and can sleep at night. Good luck to everyone but I refuse to get stuck up even though it had been my first choice. It did not make economic sense. I just withdrew and someone worthy can have my spot. I just hope they know the financial suicide they are undergoing.


It's clear that you were denied admission from this school, otherwise you wouldn't have the desire to bash your "first choice". If it truly was your "first choice", you would be attending and not moving to ARKANSAS and going to a school that only has access to the legal market in LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS--REGARDLESS of your alleged "legal connections" elsewhere you mentioned in other posts.

Grow up. You sound ridiculous and infantile.


While he is coming across bad, he does have good points. I was accepted to Cuse with 60k last year but it simply wasn't worth it. Unfortunately, reality is Syracuse has neglected their law program for decades. They are building a new law school building, but will they stay committed to improving the law school? Tuition is wayyyyyyyyyy too expensive for an almost tier 3 school.

If you're going to pay sticker, do it at a law school with an amazing reputation.



Almost tier 3? I thought they were climbing up the rankings this year

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby noleknight16 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:11 pm

ladyjustice wrote:
noleknight16 wrote:
Fletcher Reed wrote:
tward wrote:This school is so unbelievably overpriced. I was going to go but 62k x 3= 186k in loans with 7.9 percent interest. Do the math. It is absolute nonsense for a school ranked #94 which had been ranked #100. I will be going to a higher ranked school that has out of state tuition @ 22k and coa of 33k. I will not burden my parents and can sleep at night. Good luck to everyone but I refuse to get stuck up even though it had been my first choice. It did not make economic sense. I just withdrew and someone worthy can have my spot. I just hope they know the financial suicide they are undergoing.


It's clear that you were denied admission from this school, otherwise you wouldn't have the desire to bash your "first choice". If it truly was your "first choice", you would be attending and not moving to ARKANSAS and going to a school that only has access to the legal market in LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS--REGARDLESS of your alleged "legal connections" elsewhere you mentioned in other posts.

Grow up. You sound ridiculous and infantile.


While he is coming across bad, he does have good points. I was accepted to Cuse with 60k last year but it simply wasn't worth it. Unfortunately, reality is Syracuse has neglected their law program for decades. They are building a new law school building, but will they stay committed to improving the law school? Tuition is wayyyyyyyyyy too expensive for an almost tier 3 school.

If you're going to pay sticker, do it at a law school with an amazing reputation.



Almost tier 3? I thought they were climbing up the rankings this year


Ranked 100 last year. 96 this year. Only Rutgers Camden and Tulsa are lower Tier 2's. Cuse is borderline Tier 3.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby disconnected » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:18 pm

Do you think that your client arrested for drug possession with intent to sell will care about your Tier 2 vs. Tier 3 law school credentials? He wouldn't know the difference. Get a fathead poster of Fab Melo and plaster it on the wall along with your J.D. from Syracuse, mention you went to school with him. Then you might get a lot of these clients to secure your services. Marketing is important too. Does Arkansas even have a basketball team?

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:21 pm

The thing with 'Cuse is, they have let their law school erode to a point it's sad. However, the new law building will up in a couple years and the new graduate housing will be open this Fall. So, they are working toward a better future, giving the law school more attention, etc. But the question is, will the law school benefit from these and other positive movements in three years when the potential graduates leave for jobs? I think Syracuse is rising, but it may be a bit early to jump into school there. They have risen in the rankings, but they have a way to go before Syracuse is a destination school, which it should be.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:24 pm

disconnected wrote:Do you think that your client arrested for drug possession with intent to sell will care about your Tier 2 vs. Tier 3 law school credentials? He wouldn't know the difference. Get a fathead poster of Fab Melo and plaster it on the wall along with your J.D. from Syracuse, mention you went to school with him. Then you might get a lot of these clients to secure your services. Marketing is important too. Does Arkansas even have a basketball team?


Uh, it matters when you don't want to practice drug possession charges. In that case, it doesn't matter where you go to school. Hell, go to the cheapest rather than the best school you can get into. I think most of us want firm work or industry work, not mom 'n' pop DUI law. To each their own, though. We obviously need those lawyers, too.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby noleknight16 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:46 pm

BarcaCrossesTheAlps wrote:The thing with 'Cuse is, they have let their law school erode to a point it's sad. However, the new law building will up in a couple years and the new graduate housing will be open this Fall. So, they are working toward a better future, giving the law school more attention, etc. But the question is, will the law school benefit from these and other positive movements in three years when the potential graduates leave for jobs? I think Syracuse is rising, but it may be a bit early to jump into school there. They have risen in the rankings, but they have a way to go before Syracuse is a destination school, which it should be.


My feelings exactly.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby PitchO20 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:46 pm

disconnected wrote:Do you think that your client arrested for drug possession with intent to sell will care about your Tier 2 vs. Tier 3 law school credentials? He wouldn't know the difference. Get a fathead poster of Fab Melo and plaster it on the wall along with your J.D. from Syracuse, mention you went to school with him. Then you might get a lot of these clients to secure your services. Marketing is important too. Does Arkansas even have a basketball team?


LMAO.

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby tward » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:02 pm

disconnected wrote:Do you think that your client arrested for drug possession with intent to sell will care about your Tier 2 vs. Tier 3 law school credentials? He wouldn't know the difference. Get a fathead poster of Fab Melo and plaster it on the wall along with your J.D. from Syracuse, mention you went to school with him. Then you might get a lot of these clients to secure your services. Marketing is important too. Does Arkansas even have a basketball team?


Well...er.... yeah. Ever hear of the SEC? Razorbacks have not been nationally competitive since NCAA Championship in 1993 and runners up in 1994. There has been a long drought. Since Nolan Richardson left the team became mediocre in the SEC. Tough to beat Kentucky. But Pigs are top 10 in football and baseball virtually every year. We do all know about SU's football team. :oops: And I know their baseball team folded because of title 9. :wink: Sports are a good diversion from hard work in law school.
Anyway everybody's situation is different. I wish I got a scholly from SU but didn't. So I go southwest where my wallet will not be taken from me and relocate back to the northeast in three years with little debt. My criticism of SU is not the academics. For me it is a matter of economics. Good luck to everyone in this forum. No disrespect intended. I guess I was suffering from disappointment and sticker shock. Truce?

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby Mr Cooper » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:58 pm

FWIW, Syracuse is about to sued by former students for fraudulent employment data.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/twenty-more-law-schools-targeted-for-class-action-lawsuits/?show=comments#comments

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Re: Syracuse c/o 2015

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:03 pm

Mr Cooper wrote:FWIW, Syracuse is about to sued by former students for fraudulent employment data.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/twenty-more-law-schools-targeted-for-class-action-lawsuits/?show=comments#comments



What's really troubling is I applied to two schools on that list... :!:

SU and Cardozo. :shock:

I think Cardozo is a good school if you want Industry in NYC. Still, I am beginning to think if I don't get in at Wash U off the WL, or in at Minnesota, I'll just sit this one out.




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