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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby nshapkar » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:24 am

My letter said 15 k for 2012-13 year, does that mean I'm not getting anything for 2l and 3L?

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby jokiesamoster » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:42 am

My letter said 15 k for 2012-13 year, does that mean I'm not getting anything for 2l and 3L?


Mine said the same thing, pretty sure it's just for 1L. Bit of a bummer.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby nshapkar » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:49 am

jokiesamoster wrote:
My letter said 15 k for 2012-13 year, does that mean I'm not getting anything for 2l and 3L?


Mine said the same thing, pretty sure it's just for 1L. Bit of a bummer.



That makes no sense. I've never heard of scholarships being rewarded only for one year.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby PolySuyGuy » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:39 pm

nshapkar wrote:My letter said 15 k for 2012-13 year, does that mean I'm not getting anything for 2l and 3L?


They probably assume you will get instate tuition for 2L and 3L.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby hartma25 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:12 pm

Did anyone OOS get the scholarship letter?

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby nshapkar » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:20 pm

PolySuyGuy wrote:
nshapkar wrote:My letter said 15 k for 2012-13 year, does that mean I'm not getting anything for 2l and 3L?


They probably assume you will get instate tuition for 2L and 3L.



I already have in state. 9k/year for tuition sounds amazing. I really hope it's renewable.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby buddyt » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:37 pm

nshapkar wrote:
PolySuyGuy wrote:
nshapkar wrote:My letter said 15 k for 2012-13 year, does that mean I'm not getting anything for 2l and 3L?


They probably assume you will get instate tuition for 2L and 3L.



I already have in state. 9k/year for tuition sounds amazing. I really hope it's renewable.


I don't think that's the way ASU does it. If it says you only get the scholarship for 1L, you only get it for 1L. And if it says you get a scholarship for 1L, 2L, and 3L, you get it for all three years with no stipulations. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I don't know if there is the possibility of, if after only first earning a 1L scholarship, also earning 2L and 3L scholarships based on your 1L performance (i.e. top x% of class). Does anyone know?

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby gaud » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:43 pm

buddytyler wrote:I don't think that's the way ASU does it. If it says you only get the scholarship for 1L, you only get it for 1L. And if it says you get a scholarship for 1L, 2L, and 3L, you get it for all three years with no stipulations. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I don't know if there is the possibility of, if after only first earning a 1L scholarship, also earning 2L and 3L scholarships based on your 1L performance (i.e. top x% of class). Does anyone know?


I hate to say it, but I believe you are correct about the scholarships. I only say this because my scholarship info clearly separates and specifies by year :( sorry guys.

I can't speak for 2L, however, I do know that during 3L there are supposed to be plenty of scholarship opportunities (essays and what not). I know quite a few current and former students and they have all confirmed this. They all have pretty much told me that the competition for these scholarships is not nearly as bad as you may imagine. Many people are working and/or don't want to spend their time writing additional essays and whatever. I've even heard about a one-page essay scholarship that only 5 people applied for!

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby Jake5 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:52 pm

Here's hoping that the rest of us get our packets today!

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby gaud » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:54 pm

Jake5 wrote:Here's hoping that the rest of us get our packets today!


I think what we got in the mail was an official letter (?) and not the infamous packet. Regardless, I hope we all get everything ASAP!

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby Jake5 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:21 pm

gaud wrote:
Jake5 wrote:Here's hoping that the rest of us get our packets today!


I think what we got in the mail was an official letter (?) and not the infamous packet. Regardless, I hope we all get everything ASAP!


Ah I see! Well then here's hoping that we get something from ASU today!

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby PolySuyGuy » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:10 pm

nshapkar wrote:I already have in state. 9k/year for tuition sounds amazing. I really hope it's renewable.


I am pretty sure they don't give instate to Liverpool supporters.

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Congrats on your acceptance.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby tajudad » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:31 pm

Called today, and asked 1) how regular decision candidates will hear from the committee, and 2) if they have started sending out decisions.

1) snail mail mostly, though some emails.
2) no

:x

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby hartma25 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:23 am

I received the acceptance letter and scholarship (35,000, 25,000, 20,000) yesterday. I am out-of-state and wondering if someone can tell me the differences between ASU and U of A as far as job prospects, location, lifestyle, etc. Any insight will be helpful. Thanks!

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby tajudad » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:36 am

hartma25 wrote:I received the acceptance letter and scholarship (35,000, 25,000, 20,000) yesterday. I am out-of-state and wondering if someone can tell me the differences between ASU and U of A as far as job prospects, location, lifestyle, etc. Any insight will be helpful. Thanks!


Here's a thread on that: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=177061

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby hartma25 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:39 am

tajudad wrote:
hartma25 wrote:I received the acceptance letter and scholarship (35,000, 25,000, 20,000) yesterday. I am out-of-state and wondering if someone can tell me the differences between ASU and U of A as far as job prospects, location, lifestyle, etc. Any insight will be helpful. Thanks!


Here's a thread on that: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=177061


Thank you!

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby bflint30 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:24 pm

PolySuyGuy wrote:
nshapkar wrote:I already have in state. 9k/year for tuition sounds amazing. I really hope it's renewable.


I am pretty sure they don't give instate to Liverpool supporters.

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Congrats on your acceptance.


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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby AlphaGlam » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:08 pm

nshapkar wrote:
PolySuyGuy wrote:
nshapkar wrote:My letter said 15 k for 2012-13 year, does that mean I'm not getting anything for 2l and 3L?


They probably assume you will get instate tuition for 2L and 3L.



I already have in state. 9k/year for tuition sounds amazing. I really hope it's renewable.


That 9k/yr tuition is for undergrad. It's just under $25,000 for in-state law school. Still better than the $38k for out of state students.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby Glock » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:19 pm

Attention out-of-state students banking on getting in-state tuition: it is doable but you have to start working NOW.

Tips they do not tell you:

-Do not have your parents or anyone else claim you as a dependent on their taxes if they live outside of Arizona. They will look back two years from the start of your 2L year. This two years is the kicker- on everything else they are looking for one year, but on taxes they look at 2. If your parents have already claimed you for 2011, have them amend their taxes to remove it. Hell, have them amend their 2010 taxes if they can. It is worth at least 40k to you if you go to ASU. If your parents have claimed you in the last two years it creates a 'strong presumption' that you do not intend to reside here permanently. I've never heard of someone overcoming it, including people that have long term job offers. *This is probably the most important thing you never hear*
-SEVER any documented connection to your home state. I am talking about a my-leg-is-wounded-in-the-civil-war amputation. Close all bank accounts in your home state and open new ones in Arizona (it matters and is better than transferring bank accounts). Register your car here even if you have time remaining in your home state. Move any licenses (like gun carry permits) here ASAP. Notify your MVD in writing that you are no longer a resident, get an AZ DL. DO THIS AS SOON AS YOU CAN AFTER DECIDING TO GO TO ASU. The earlier the better. Retain all documents, make sure they are dated.
-Register to vote in Arizona AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, possibly before you even have a place to live. Arizona voter registration allows you to describe where you live if you do not have a permanent residence. Describe the law school intersection. If you are not comfortable with this admittedly dubious option then get a mailboxes etc box for voter registration on a visit, or at the very least register ASAP when you get a home address. More time having a DL and as a voter= more likely to be 'resident'. Notify your home state that you should not longer be registered as you are not a resident.

BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS you want no paper connection to your home state, and evidence that you severed it, and tons of paper connection to AZ. You also want some evidence that you financially support yourself. Loan documents should cover that, but make sure any family support you get is less than obvious. The earlier the better on anything, and it is worth at least 40k to you. Be diligent on this like you were for the LSAT or your applications- you are applying for a $40k+ scholarship.

This process isn't hard, but parents claiming you on this year's taxes and you keeping your home state DL will kill you every time, and these two trip up a lot of people.

You can PM me questions about this topic or generally, I am always willing to help out incoming students if I have the time. Also, if you want some advice from an ASU law student that has been through this and other BS, then I can provide insight.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby benburns214 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:36 pm

Glock wrote:Attention out-of-state students banking on getting in-state tuition: it is doable but you have to start working NOW.

Tips they do not tell you:

-Do not have your parents or anyone else claim you as a dependent on their taxes if they live outside of Arizona. They will look back two years from the start of your 2L year. This two years is the kicker- on everything else they are looking for one year, but on taxes they look at 2. If your parents have already claimed you for 2011, have them amend their taxes to remove it. Hell, have them amend their 2010 taxes if they can. It is worth at least 40k to you if you go to ASU. If your parents have claimed you in the last two years it creates a 'strong presumption' that you do not intend to reside here permanently. I've never heard of someone overcoming it, including people that have long term job offers. *This is probably the most important thing you never hear*
-SEVER any documented connection to your home state. I am talking about a my-leg-is-wounded-in-the-civil-war amputation. Close all bank accounts in your home state and open new ones in Arizona (it matters and is better than transferring bank accounts). Register your car here even if you have time remaining in your home state. Move any licenses (like gun carry permits) here ASAP. Notify your MVD in writing that you are no longer a resident, get an AZ DL. DO THIS AS SOON AS YOU CAN AFTER DECIDING TO GO TO ASU. The earlier the better. Retain all documents, make sure they are dated.
-Register to vote in Arizona AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, possibly before you even have a place to live. Arizona voter registration allows you to describe where you live if you do not have a permanent residence. Describe the law school intersection. If you are not comfortable with this admittedly dubious option then get a mailboxes etc box for voter registration on a visit, or at the very least register ASAP when you get a home address. More time having a DL and as a voter= more likely to be 'resident'. Notify your home state that you should not longer be registered as you are not a resident.

BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS you want no paper connection to your home state, and evidence that you severed it, and tons of paper connection to AZ. You also want some evidence that you financially support yourself. Loan documents should cover that, but make sure any family support you get is less than obvious. The earlier the better on anything, and it is worth at least 40k to you. Be diligent on this like you were for the LSAT or your applications- you are applying for a $40k+ scholarship.

This process isn't hard, but parents claiming you on this year's taxes and you keeping your home state DL will kill you every time, and these two trip up a lot of people.

You can PM me questions about this topic or generally, I am always willing to help out incoming students if I have the time. Also, if you want some advice from an ASU law student that has been through this and other BS, then I can provide insight.


Wow! This might be the 1st ACTUALLY helpful and meaningful post on TLS i've seen all cycle. Props to you sir... you are one of the few on this site who isn't a pompous jackass that thinks he knows everthing.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby gaud » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:21 pm

Still no packet..

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby hartma25 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:34 pm

Wow! Thanks for the info. Glock. That's really helpful!

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby nshapkar » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:47 pm

AlphaGlam wrote:
nshapkar wrote:
PolySuyGuy wrote:
nshapkar wrote:My letter said 15 k for 2012-13 year, does that mean I'm not getting anything for 2l and 3L?


They probably assume you will get instate tuition for 2L and 3L.



I already have in state. 9k/year for tuition sounds amazing. I really hope it's renewable.


That 9k/yr tuition is for undergrad. It's just under $25,000 for in-state law school. Still better than the $38k for out of state students.


With 15k scholly it's about 9-10 per year.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby Glock » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:34 pm

The 15k scholarship some of you are seeing is one-year and not renewable unless it specifically says otherwise.

There are some application ones available though. If you are in the top 10% of the class you get 1-5k, and there are 15+ 5k merit scholarships given out for different causes.

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Re: Arizona State c/o 2015

Postby PolySuyGuy » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:14 am

Glock wrote:Attention out-of-state students banking on getting in-state tuition: it is doable but you have to start working NOW.

Tips they do not tell you:

-Do not have your parents or anyone else claim you as a dependent on their taxes if they live outside of Arizona. They will look back two years from the start of your 2L year. This two years is the kicker- on everything else they are looking for one year, but on taxes they look at 2. If your parents have already claimed you for 2011, have them amend their taxes to remove it. Hell, have them amend their 2010 taxes if they can. It is worth at least 40k to you if you go to ASU. If your parents have claimed you in the last two years it creates a 'strong presumption' that you do not intend to reside here permanently. I've never heard of someone overcoming it, including people that have long term job offers. *This is probably the most important thing you never hear*
-SEVER any documented connection to your home state. I am talking about a my-leg-is-wounded-in-the-civil-war amputation. Close all bank accounts in your home state and open new ones in Arizona (it matters and is better than transferring bank accounts). Register your car here even if you have time remaining in your home state. Move any licenses (like gun carry permits) here ASAP. Notify your MVD in writing that you are no longer a resident, get an AZ DL. DO THIS AS SOON AS YOU CAN AFTER DECIDING TO GO TO ASU. The earlier the better. Retain all documents, make sure they are dated.
-Register to vote in Arizona AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, possibly before you even have a place to live. Arizona voter registration allows you to describe where you live if you do not have a permanent residence. Describe the law school intersection. If you are not comfortable with this admittedly dubious option then get a mailboxes etc box for voter registration on a visit, or at the very least register ASAP when you get a home address. More time having a DL and as a voter= more likely to be 'resident'. Notify your home state that you should not longer be registered as you are not a resident.

BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS you want no paper connection to your home state, and evidence that you severed it, and tons of paper connection to AZ. You also want some evidence that you financially support yourself. Loan documents should cover that, but make sure any family support you get is less than obvious. The earlier the better on anything, and it is worth at least 40k to you. Be diligent on this like you were for the LSAT or your applications- you are applying for a $40k+ scholarship.

This process isn't hard, but parents claiming you on this year's taxes and you keeping your home state DL will kill you every time, and these two trip up a lot of people.

You can PM me questions about this topic or generally, I am always willing to help out incoming students if I have the time. Also, if you want some advice from an ASU law student that has been through this and other BS, then I can provide insight.


It is practically impossible to get instate tuition in Arizona after one year. Don't expect it if you are coming from out of state. ASU is full of law students who severed all connections to other states and they are denied instate tuition each year based on technicalities.
Worst part is for everything but tuition purposes they are residents of Arizona, which means they have nothing to show for all the work.

That is OK, there is plenty to do in the 120 degree summers in Phoenix.

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