Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

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ArtyIvy
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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby ArtyIvy » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:13 pm

USMCMatt wrote:
apollo2015 wrote:I do wish that they boosted the Cost of Living (COL) formula a bit, and gave us a few thousand more in loans, so as to make surviving over the 1L summer more feasible. I know all law schools do it this way, but I really think that its absurd that they don't factor summer costs into the COL.

Also, EFC=0 ----> the same 10k Need based grant. I am surprised since at the ASD the Financial Aid person said that need grants go up to 15k. I guess we would need a negative EFC to get that.


The whole EFC thing is stupid anyway...

My EFC was 25k. That would be great if I wasn't a married, 32 y/o with a newborn and newly non-working spouse. Sure, we made a comfortable income between the two of us last year (still expensive as hell in SoCal), but that all goes away as soon as LS starts and I sure as hell don't have 25k in the bank set aside. The FAFSA is great for UG students who are fresh or just a few years out of high school and actually have parents that can contribute. Graduate/professional degress just dont apply, IMHO.


Couldn't agree more. I lived and worked in NYC the year before I started grad school. I made a whopping $24k one year. Don't remember my EFC, but I borrowed $100k for a 2 year MFA (I know, stupid). When I arrived on campus, all the big scholarships AND multiple teaching jobs (that I was told did not exist for first years) went to obviously wealthy students, because they appeared to be low income. A few of them were traveling that year!

There was someone in my scholarship at Ivy (full ride) who came to scholarship meetings with armfuls of bags from expensive boutiques and yet the financial aid people called her, worried because she hadn't applied for her Staffords in November. Because she had money from property sold in another state! You can bet someone in dire need would have filled out those forms ASAP.

I know it's hard to make these decisions, but sometimes the formulas and rules miss out the obvious -- like your income dropping to $0 in 1L.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby Gavel » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:09 pm

just got denied :( would have definitely attended had I been accepted.

Anyways, good luck guys!

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby aroth001 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:35 pm

Gavel wrote:just got denied :( would have definitely attended had I been accepted.

Anyways, good luck guys!



email?....letter? what was it? I'm still anxiously waiting...

sorry btw :(

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby Gavel » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:39 pm

aroth001 wrote:
email?....letter? what was it? I'm still anxiously waiting...

sorry btw :(


No worries. I knew my numbers were too low.
The DR was via email.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby apollo2015 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:33 pm

To be honest, I do think that its fair to expect people who have been permitted to work over the past few years to contribute to the costs of their education. Its an imperfect system in terms of computing exact EFC numbers, but its logical to expect that those with access to jobs should pay more than those without access to them.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby justathought21 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:42 pm

apollo2015 wrote:To be honest, I do think that its fair to expect people who have been permitted to work over the past few years to contribute to the costs of their education. Its an imperfect system in terms of computing exact EFC numbers, but its logical to expect that those with access to jobs should pay more than those without access to them.


access to jobs is VERY different than access to a job that can give you enough DISPOSABLE income to pay for a $70,000+ law school/COL bill. If you are willing to clean toilets or mow lawns I bet you too have "access" to more job opportunities than you think.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby ArtyIvy » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:47 pm

apollo2015 wrote:To be honest, I do think that its fair to expect people who have been permitted to work over the past few years to contribute to the costs of their education. Its an imperfect system in terms of computing exact EFC numbers, but its logical to expect that those with access to jobs should pay more than those without access to them.


Miraculously, I managed to save $4k out of that $24k to bring with me to grad school, but that's nearly impossible on such a low income, particularly in one of the most expensive cities in the world. A contribution of a few hundred dollars, maybe. But it shouldn't be more than 10-15% of the income of the previous year, since obviously 1. working is all but forbidden in 1L and 2. the remaining income was spent, for you know, crazy things like food, electricity and rent.

Not aimed at you, but it doesn't seem obvious things like that are taken into account. Heck, moving expenses aren't taken into account.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby ArtyIvy » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:51 pm

Gavel wrote:
aroth001 wrote:
email?....letter? what was it? I'm still anxiously waiting...

sorry btw :(


No worries. I knew my numbers were too low.
The DR was via email.


Me too. It was my first choice, so I hoped to at least be waitlisted. But my numbers are low. I applied through LEOP, but GPA was still on the low side for that and there were some other issues with my application.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby apollo2015 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:54 pm

justathought21 wrote: If you are willing to clean toilets or mow lawns I bet you too have "access" to more job opportunities than you think.


In some cities, probably. In others, not so much.

It would certainly be nice for the EFC system to take that complexity into account, of course.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby justathought21 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:58 pm

apollo2015 wrote:
justathought21 wrote: If you are willing to clean toilets or mow lawns I bet you too have "access" to more job opportunities than you think.


In some cities, probably. In others, not so much.

It would certainly be nice for the EFC system to take that complexity into account, of course.


Have you looked for job postings regarding cleaning toilets? :idea:

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby apollo2015 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:05 pm

justathought21 wrote:
apollo2015 wrote:
justathought21 wrote: If you are willing to clean toilets or mow lawns I bet you too have "access" to more job opportunities than you think.


In some cities, probably. In others, not so much.

It would certainly be nice for the EFC system to take that complexity into account, of course.


Have you looked for job postings regarding cleaning toilets? :idea:


I'm speaking about the economic situation in the US in general. I agree that in some regions there are probably job surpluses, but in others the jobs just aren't there.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby justathought21 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:07 pm

apollo2015 wrote:
justathought21 wrote:
apollo2015 wrote:
justathought21 wrote: If you are willing to clean toilets or mow lawns I bet you too have "access" to more job opportunities than you think.


In some cities, probably. In others, not so much.

It would certainly be nice for the EFC system to take that complexity into account, of course.


Have you looked for job postings regarding cleaning toilets? :idea:


I'm speaking about the economic situation in the US in general. I agree that in some regions there are probably job surpluses, but in others the jobs just aren't there.


Have you looked for job postings regarding cleaning toilets? :idea:[/quote]

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby apollo2015 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:55 pm

justathought21 wrote:
apollo2015 wrote:
justathought21 wrote:
Have you looked for job postings regarding cleaning toilets? :idea:


I'm speaking about the economic situation in the US in general. I agree that in some regions there are probably job surpluses, but in others the jobs just aren't there.


Have you looked for job postings regarding cleaning toilets? :idea:


I'm speaking about the economic situation in the US in general. I agree that in...uh oh. Recursion.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby sdphill » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:07 pm

Do you guys know how I can officially withdraw my acceptance?

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby kapital98 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:11 pm

sdphill wrote:Do you guys know how I can officially withdraw my acceptance?


Send the admissions office an email saying you wish to withdraw your acceptance. Make sure to include your LSAC number to make it easier for them.

The sooner you send in your withdraw the quicker a spot opens up for someone else :D

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby apollo2015 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:17 pm

sdphill wrote:Do you guys know how I can officially withdraw my acceptance?


I imagine that a short e-mail to Dean Canada stating that you are withdrawing from consideration, and saying where you will be attending instead would suffice.

Edit: Kapital is right, put your LSAC number in there too.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby sdphill » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:25 pm

kapital98 wrote:
sdphill wrote:Do you guys know how I can officially withdraw my acceptance?


Send the admissions office an email saying you wish to withdraw your acceptance. Make sure to include your LSAC number to make it easier for them.

The sooner you send in your withdraw the quicker a spot opens up for someone else :D


Just withdrew! Good luck! :D

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby USMCMatt » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:59 pm

apollo2015 wrote:To be honest, I do think that its fair to expect people who have been permitted to work over the past few years to contribute to the costs of their education. Its an imperfect system in terms of computing exact EFC numbers, but its logical to expect that those with access to jobs should pay more than those without access to them.



PERMITTED to work? What does that mean?

What makes you think that people who have been working have any more available funding than those who do not?

Great example (although not applicable to everyone, i know): My sister in law is 23, married, living (with her husband) with my parent's-in-law who pay their way. She is a musician. She is not claimed on their taxes. She is old enough (per FAFSA) to be independent. She has no income. When she applied for school this year her EFC was 4k.

My wife and I have jobs, own a home, have a child, pay taxes, etc...everything that responsible adults do. My EFC is 25k because our income was high (by national standards, not Orange County, CA). How is that equitable?

When you say access, what do you mean? Everyone has access to jobs. Military, JobCorps, etc....no excuses. Only felons or other criminals cant get it. McDonalds, Janitorial, etc...don't spout that access crap.

Access to jobs ceases the moment you begin a legal education. We are all brought to the same level playing field when 1L starts.....that is unless you have somebody paying all of your way....

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby Pleasye » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:18 pm

USMCMatt wrote:PERMITTED to work? What does that mean?

The ABA only allows full-time law students to work a certain amount of hours a week (20, if I'm not mistaken).

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby USMCMatt » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:35 pm

Pleasye wrote:
USMCMatt wrote:PERMITTED to work? What does that mean?

The ABA only allows full-time law students to work a certain amount of hours a week (20, if I'm not mistaken).



True...but that isn't the argument at hand.

We aren't talking about employment during school....before school is the topic.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby surfSD » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:35 pm

On a lighter note, $11,500 grant and officially committed, yeeeeeeabbboooyyyy(flavor flave voice)

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby aliceydu » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:40 pm

surfSD wrote:On a lighter note, $11,500 grant and officially committed, yeeeeeeabbboooyyyy(flavor flave voice)


Per semester? I only got $6000 per semester.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby surfSD » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:42 pm

aliceydu wrote:
surfSD wrote:On a lighter note, $11,500 grant and officially committed, yeeeeeeabbboooyyyy(flavor flave voice)


Per semester? I only got $6000 per semester.


Nope, for the year.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby apollo2015 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:53 pm

The job market discussion is going in circles, but I'd be happy to continue it via PMs, so as to not continue derailing the Hastings thread.

surfSD wrote:On a lighter note, $11,500 grant and officially committed, yeeeeeeabbboooyyyy(flavor flave voice)


Excellent! Congratulations.

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Re: Hastings 2011-2012 Cycle

Postby aliceydu » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:03 am

surfSD wrote:
aliceydu wrote:
surfSD wrote:On a lighter note, $11,500 grant and officially committed, yeeeeeeabbboooyyyy(flavor flave voice)


Per semester? I only got $6000 per semester.


Nope, for the year.


Ohh nice! I actually got $5750/semester, so that's also $11,500 for the year. :)
This is only for this year right? Do most people continue to get them for 2L and 3L?




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