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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Gotti » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:28 am

JenDarby wrote:Your fall schedule will be similar to this if you do flex (add in legal writing somewhere in there too):

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A little late to this but this is actually my real schedule that I sent to JD...I was (obviously) in the flex section. Let me know if anyone has questions about this.

My legal writing (which I guess must have been rescheduled that week) was Monday night from 7:55 - 8:45 or something like that.

Oh oops, I also forgot that Torts was 3 days a week. Should've been more thorough, haha. Torts was the same time Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Robespierre » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:27 pm

dingbat wrote:
Robespierre wrote:Well OK aj, I was going by your prior post where you said:

aj922 wrote:Hey, looking for some honest advice

Just heard back from Fordham

Is it worth it at sticker? Don't care about big law, just a law firm job


In any event, my gut reaction is that if you're looking for a law firm job in the tier below Biglaw, you'd be better off with a big scholly at Brooklyn or Dozo than sticker at Fordham. Fordham placed 5% of its 2011 grads in firms of 25-100 lawyers. Brooklyn was 4%. Hardly any difference. So any significant scholarship at BLS would make it the right choice.

http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/home.aspx

That may be the most oversimplistic false logic I've seen in a while.
Presumably, many people who end up in midlaw would have preferred biglaw, but missed the boat.
Out of what's left after those that self-select out of midlaw, proportionately significantly more get chosen from Fordham than from Brooklyn

Math time:
let's assume a conservative 25% out of Fordham get biglaw or a clerkship, and an aggressive 15% of Brooklyn do likewise.

5% of Fordham's remainder (75%) is roughly 6.7% of the remainder
4% of Brooklyn's remainder (85%) is roughly 4.7% of the remainder
Meaning that Fordham's midlaw placement is roughly 1.4 times as good as Brooklyn's
(and that doesn't even take into account the effect of class rank - a somewhat lower ranked Fordham grad is as competitive as a higher ranked Brooklyn grad)

On a different note: 12


That's bad advice. The difference between 4.7% and 6.7% placement is nowhere near worth foregoing a scholarship. You don't leave $90,000 on the table in order to get a 1 in 15 chance at your goal rather than 1 in 21. [I'm assuming he has a substantial scholly offer at BLS; he hasn't said so, but most people with numbers good enough for Fordham do.]

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:36 pm

Robespierre wrote:That's bad advice. The difference between 4.7% and 6.7% placement is nowhere near worth foregoing a scholarship. You don't leave $90,000 on the table in order to get a 1 in 15 chance at your goal rather than 1 in 21. [I'm assuming he has a substantial scholly offer at BLS; he hasn't said so, but most people with numbers good enough for Fordham do.]

I wasn't actually giving advice, just countering the simplicity of your analysis. My point was that Fordham places better than Brooklyn. Whether that improved placement is worth X dollars is a different matter (to which I offered no opinion)
It's become a bit of a pet peeve of mine when people make blanket statements about eg placement without actually thinking about the data
(it irks me far worse when people jump to conclusions about a school / price not being worth it without having done any useful analysis of the numbers. I've crunched them. For many schools, attending at sticker is a sound financial investment)

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Postby ajax » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:43 pm

Robespierre wrote:
dingbat wrote:
Robespierre wrote:Well OK aj, I was going by your prior post where you said:

aj922 wrote:Hey, looking for some honest advice

Just heard back from Fordham

Is it worth it at sticker? Don't care about big law, just a law firm job


In any event, my gut reaction is that if you're looking for a law firm job in the tier below Biglaw, you'd be better off with a big scholly at Brooklyn or Dozo than sticker at Fordham. Fordham placed 5% of its 2011 grads in firms of 25-100 lawyers. Brooklyn was 4%. Hardly any difference. So any significant scholarship at BLS would make it the right choice.

http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/home.aspx

That may be the most oversimplistic false logic I've seen in a while.
Presumably, many people who end up in midlaw would have preferred biglaw, but missed the boat.
Out of what's left after those that self-select out of midlaw, proportionately significantly more get chosen from Fordham than from Brooklyn

Math time:
let's assume a conservative 25% out of Fordham get biglaw or a clerkship, and an aggressive 15% of Brooklyn do likewise.

5% of Fordham's remainder (75%) is roughly 6.7% of the remainder
4% of Brooklyn's remainder (85%) is roughly 4.7% of the remainder
Meaning that Fordham's midlaw placement is roughly 1.4 times as good as Brooklyn's
(and that doesn't even take into account the effect of class rank - a somewhat lower ranked Fordham grad is as competitive as a higher ranked Brooklyn grad)

On a different note: 12


That's bad advice. The difference between 4.7% and 6.7% placement is nowhere near worth foregoing a scholarship. You don't leave $90,000 on the table in order to get a 1 in 15 chance at your goal rather than 1 in 21. [I'm assuming he has a substantial scholly offer at BLS; he hasn't said so, but most people with numbers good enough for Fordham do.]


Agree. Poor advice.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ajax » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:43 pm

dingbat wrote:
Robespierre wrote:That's bad advice. The difference between 4.7% and 6.7% placement is nowhere near worth foregoing a scholarship. You don't leave $90,000 on the table in order to get a 1 in 15 chance at your goal rather than 1 in 21. [I'm assuming he has a substantial scholly offer at BLS; he hasn't said so, but most people with numbers good enough for Fordham do.]

I wasn't actually giving advice, just countering the simplicity of your analysis. My point was that Fordham places better than Brooklyn. Whether that improved placement is worth X dollars is a different matter (to which I offered no opinion)
It's become a bit of a pet peeve of mine when people make blanket statements about eg placement without actually thinking about the data
(it irks me far worse when people jump to conclusions about a school / price not being worth it without having done any useful analysis of the numbers. I've crunched them. For many schools, attending at sticker is a sound financial investment)


I think you have trouble issue spotting...

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Zionman » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:03 am

dingbat wrote: (it irks me far worse when people jump to conclusions about a school / price not being worth it without having done any useful analysis of the numbers. I've crunched them. For many schools, attending at sticker is a sound financial investment)


Really? Two questions:
1- Is Fordham one of those schools?
2- Are you attending Fordham at sticker price?

Also, i second ajax.
ajax wrote: I think you have trouble issue spotting...


I lol'd :lol:

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby baconcausescancer » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:02 am

Yo trolls,

What's with the twisted self-righteous/martyrdom attitude that you adopt? Why can't you believe that other people can actually make informed decisions for their future? I think if you're really trying to help, as some of you claim, that you wouldn't put down the people you were trying to convince, that you would package the information at least in a persuasive and appealing way to get people to listen to you.

But then again, I guess there's no reasoning with Interwebs trolls.

So, go play with yourselves somewhere else. Public masturbation of your own egos is kinda gross to watch. The anonymity of the Intertubes will protect you only there: the Intertubes. If this is the attitude you have towards other people, then what's to say it won't come out in your interactions with people IRL i.e. clients? MODS!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:51 pm

baconcausescancer wrote:Yo trolls,

What's with the twisted self-righteous/martyrdom attitude that you adopt? Why can't you believe that other people can actually make informed decisions for their future? I think if you're really trying to help, as some of you claim, that you wouldn't put down the people you were trying to convince, that you would package the information at least in a persuasive and appealing way to get people to listen to you.

But then again, I guess there's no reasoning with Interwebs trolls.

So, go play with yourselves somewhere else. Public masturbation of your own egos is kinda gross to watch. The anonymity of the Intertubes will protect you only there: the Intertubes. If this is the attitude you have towards other people, then what's to say it won't come out in your interactions with people IRL i.e. clients? MODS!


12 posts and such wisdom! WELL said Bacon!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:03 pm

Sections are out on My.Fordham.edu

(Though, I can't log on and see it with sat internet)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby aj922 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:55 pm

Still haven't received any log in info

I can log into the admitted page but not myfordham

Is there other info available on there ? I was able to get the required reading material

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby tennisking88 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:14 am

Does anyone know if the assigned LRW textbooks are used for the entire year or just for each semester, in which case buying them would save more $ than renting?

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Postby dingbat » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:42 am

JCFindley wrote:Sections are out on My.Fordham.edu

(Though, I can't log on and see it with sat internet)

Section 15 - Woohoo!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby mijenks » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:40 am

dingbat wrote:Section 15 - Woohoo!

My, my, aren't we the cagey one?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:29 am

tennisking88 wrote:Does anyone know if the assigned LRW textbooks are used for the entire year or just for each semester, in which case buying them would save more $ than renting?

They are for the entire year.

What books are they? I'll sell you mine. We had reading assignments in them throughout the year (which were semi optional...) but they came in handy when my prof wanted exact formats from the books for assignments.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:33 am

Section 9 night owl!

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Postby JCFindley » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:37 am

aj922 wrote:Still haven't received any log in info

I can log into the admitted page but not myfordham

Is there other info available on there ? I was able to get the required reading material


AJ, unless you aren't in the system yet, you should be able to go on my Fordham and there is a section just below the log in where you go and put in your info and it will give you your username and a password.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby aj922 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:06 am

I guess I'm not in the system yet, hopefully soon


Finally got the Monet book

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:09 am

aj922 wrote:I guess I'm not in the system yet, hopefully soon


Finally got the Monet book


So I gather you have chosen Fordham. Congrats.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:35 am

JCFindley wrote:Section 9 night owl!

I got my schedule, but how can you tell which section you're in?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:36 am

On a separate note, do I recall correctly that some people on this board are AEP TAs?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:25 pm

Go under the student tab... then under "My Information" click student... then registration... then student detail schedule. After that, the number after your legal writing class is your section number.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:50 pm

JCFindley wrote:Go under the student tab... then under "My Information" click student... then registration... then student detail schedule. After that, the number after your legal writing class is your section number.

Section 3
I just went straight for Week at a Glance, to figure out the times
Merci Beaucoup

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:59 pm

So my Week at a Glance and Student Detail Schedule do not correlate.
Does anyone else have this problem?

Basically, my Week at a Glance lists more scheduled classes than the Student Detail Schedule (eg 3* property vs 2*)

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Postby Gemini » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:08 pm

dingbat wrote:So my Week at a Glance and Student Detail Schedule do not correlate.
Does anyone else have this problem?

Basically, my Week at a Glance lists more scheduled classes than the Student Detail Schedule (eg 3* property vs 2*)


If you see TR, that's Tuesday AND Thursday. Torts and Property are both 3x a week.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:09 pm

dingbat wrote:So my Week at a Glance and Student Detail Schedule do not correlate.
Does anyone else have this problem?

Basically, my Week at a Glance lists more scheduled classes than the Student Detail Schedule (eg 3* property vs 2*)

That happens. You have 3 property classes. It does get fixed eventually. My week at a glance initially missed classes, which got me overly excited about such a light schedule.




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