Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ajax » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:29 am

aj922 wrote:Hey, looking for some honest advice

Just heard back from Fordham

Is it worth it at sticker? Don't care about big law, just a law firm job



Take a look at this:

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Take a look at this:

http://law.fordham.edu/financial-aid/1890.htm

You tell me. Also, if you do not have a finance background, I would suggest consulting someone who does before making the decision. Show them the above information.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby aj922 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:44 am

What if cost of living is not an issue...living with family?

Just tuition alone at Fordham?

Is anyone going sticker or close to it?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:12 pm

aj922 wrote:What if cost of living is not an issue...living with family?

Just tuition alone at Fordham?

Is anyone going sticker or close to it?
The majority of people going to Fordham pay sticker

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby aj922 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:44 pm

ok....how about less than 100k total for Fordham

worth it?
looking for midlaw in NYC

if the only other option is a T2, should i go?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:45 pm

aj922 wrote:ok....how about less than 100k total for Fordham

worth it?
looking for midlaw in NYC

if the only other option is a T2, should i go?

Fordham with a total debt of less than $100k is not bad at all.
There are people who'll gladly pay more, there are people who'd argue Fordham for free is barely worth it. Look at the employment stats and decide if you are willing to take the risk.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ned » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:45 am

dingbat wrote:
aj922 wrote:ok....how about less than 100k total for Fordham

worth it?
looking for midlaw in NYC

if the only other option is a T2, should i go?

Fordham with a total debt of less than $100k is not bad at all.
There are people who'll gladly pay more, there are people who'd argue Fordham for free is barely worth it. Look at the employment stats and decide if you are willing to take the risk.


Assuming Fordham is your best option, I agree that $100k in total debt is reasonable. Enviable, even.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Zionman » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:20 pm

aj922 wrote:ok....how about less than 100k total for Fordham

worth it?
looking for midlaw in NYC

if the only other option is a T2, should i go?


If you're shooting/looking for midlaw, you already have the wrong mindset. With that frame of mind and those two options, I would not go to law school.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby aj922 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:52 pm

I would obviously like to do as well as possible

I was just asking about fordham

Where are you going to school ?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:10 pm

aj922 wrote:I would obviously like to do as well as possible

I was just asking about fordham

Where are you going to school ?



AJ, Zion is one of the four or five trolls/jilted lovers we have on this thread. Basically, they enjoy dropping by every so often and stating how inferior Fordham is than some lower ranked school that gave them more money.

The only one of them that has anything real to say is Mr Anon as he is a student there (or was, he may have just graduated.)

And at the Z man, not everyone has the end game goal of working 2000 plus billable hours/year doing inanely boring crap just because it pays well. For those that do or are actually interested in such things, more power to them but biglaw is not for everyone.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Zionman » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:42 am

Not going to Fordham, going to G-town, but I don't see how that disqualifies my comment.

Allow me to elaborate a little further, since I'm just trying to help.

a) 'Looking' for midlaw, because you don't think you can make biglaw is, for sure, the wrong mindset, regardless of what school you're attending.

b) If you go to Fordham (or any other peer school...not trying to piss off any closet Fordham adcomms on this thread) and are targeting a midlaw firm (which are, by the way, scarce), you will have a near zero percent chance of paying back 100K in loans plus 6.8-9% interest within any decent period of time (say 12 years) on a midlaw salary of 40-60K pre taxes. Translation: you are ruined financially. On the plus side, if your target is biglaw then you have about a 30-35% chance of not being financially ruined. All figures approximate.

c) Going to a tier 2 school while entailing less debt isnt a good option, either.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Fujin11 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:10 am

Zionman wrote:Not going to Fordham, going to G-town, but I don't see how that disqualifies my comment.

Allow me to elaborate a little further, since I'm just trying to help.

a) 'Looking' for midlaw, because you don't think you can make biglaw is, for sure, the wrong mindset, regardless of what school you're attending.

b) If you go to Fordham (or any other peer school...not trying to piss off any closet Fordham adcomms on this thread) and are targeting a midlaw firm (which are, by the way, scarce), you will have a near zero percent chance of paying back 100K in loans plus 6.8-9% interest within any decent period of time (say 12 years) on a midlaw salary of 40-60K pre taxes. Translation: you are ruined financially. On the plus side, if your target is biglaw then you have about a 30-35% chance of not being financially ruined. All figures approximate.

c) Going to a tier 2 school while entailing less debt isnt a good option, either.


So you're of the opinion that you should only go to law school if mommy and daddy can write you a giant check? Even if a school gives you 30k you're gonna end up with around 100k of debt by the time you graduate, so you should only go to law school if you're already rich?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:39 am

Zionman wrote:If you go to Fordham (or any other peer school...not trying to piss off any closet Fordham adcomms on this thread) and are targeting a midlaw firm (which are, by the way, scarce), you will have a near zero percent chance of paying back 100K in loans plus 6.8-9% interest within any decent period of time (say 12 years) on a midlaw salary of 40-60K pre taxes. Translation: you are ruined financially. On the plus side, if your target is biglaw then you have about a 30-35% chance of not being financially ruined. All figures approximate.

What exactly is your definition of midlaw, and where does that salary information come from?
Not to sow misinformation, but, as a quick example, many of the Jersey firms don't qualify as "biglaw" but still pay over 6 figures to incoming associates

Zionman wrote:Going to a tier 2 school while entailing less debt isnt a good option, either.
Depends on the Tier 2, the end goal and the scholarship amount. It doesn't have to be a bad option either

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:09 am

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:13 am

JCFindley wrote:13

Thanks. I've been a bit busy lately.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:16 am

dingbat wrote:
JCFindley wrote:13

Thanks. I've been a bit busy lately.


I was getting a little worried about ya there DB.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:23 am

JCFindley wrote:
dingbat wrote:
JCFindley wrote:13

Thanks. I've been a bit busy lately.


I was getting a little worried about ya there DB.

I'm training my replacement at work and we just had a spike in activity these past few weeks.
I barely have time to breathe

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:29 am

dingbat wrote:
JCFindley wrote:
dingbat wrote:
JCFindley wrote:13

Thanks. I've been a bit busy lately.


I was getting a little worried about ya there DB.

I'm training my replacement at work and we just had a spike in activity these past few weeks.
I barely have time to breathe


You taking any time off before you start school?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:33 am

JCFindley wrote:You taking any time off before you start school?

August 18 to August 19

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:36 am

dingbat wrote:
JCFindley wrote:You taking any time off before you start school?

August 18 to August 19



Sweet!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:55 am

Zionman wrote:Not going to Fordham, going to G-town, but I don't see how that disqualifies my comment.

If you go to Fordham (or any other peer school...not trying to piss off any closet Fordham adcomms on this thread)

People who didn't get accepted and or get money from Fordham are absurdly bitter this year.

There are no Fordham adcomms who post in this thread. There is no need to come in and knock a school that didn't give you what you want or that you don't like. I personally think Georgetown is an abominal decision, but again that's a personal belief. Your personal opinions and bitterness towards Fordham do not belong here.

Forum Rules wrote:You and them and everyone else are all free to discuss whether or not attending is a good idea in the appropriate forum, not here.

Starting or perpetuating arguments here about whether a school is worth attending may be deemed trolling and get you banned.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby DTDT » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:42 am

The question of is it worth x for y, really depends on the person.

I for one loved everything about Fordham, the fact that they don't give out a ton of merit scholarships isn't a bad thing. It means students really want to be there and it does add to the culture that Fordham has carefully cultivated over the years.

If one were solely looking at big law Fordham would not be your best option. It may be the best option you were accepted too but there is always the option to re-take the test and reapply to schools. But if you are looking for a school that does get big law firms to interview and hire students, has a culture and network that is very supportive (rather than uber competitive), has very qualified faculty, opportunities for students to edit and write reviews/journals and a rigorous curriculum that prepares you for the craft of Lawyering. Than Fordham at sticker is a good price.

Fordham is an all-around quality school and decent investment for many prospective lawyers. They offer few merit scholarships and remain high in the "rankings", there is a reason for that.

Unfortunately for me, I am employed already and not planning on leaving my firm so the option to get a law degree subsidized (100%) makes attending law school without merit scholarship an absurd choice. But I must say it was a difficult choice, Fordham is that good. If I wasn't a 15-year finance vet and needed Fordham credentials and network I would have gladly invested at sticker (or retaken and gone to a T12).

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Robespierre » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:56 am

Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:03 am

Robespierre wrote:Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

This is not the proper forum for such, and you clearly missed the point of my post. I made very clear it was my personal opinion/decision, as most law school decisions are at that level. There are plenty of reasons for someone to prefer Georgetown and plenty of reasons to prefer Fordham. There is also an excellent forum to discuss the relevant merits on an individual basis.

I recognize that a post at the very top of this forum entitled "Read this before posting in this forum," can be very confusing, however it does contain useful information, clearly.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:43 am

Robespierre wrote:Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

Without wanting to derail, I'd choose Fordham over Georgetown as well and I think JC Findley would too (each for different reasons), although neither would refer to the school as an abomination

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:00 pm

dingbat wrote:
Robespierre wrote:Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

Without wanting to derail, I'd choose Fordham over Georgetown as well and I think JC Findley would too (each for different reasons), although neither would refer to the school as an abomination

Ha well see I didn't and wouldn't refer to Georgetown as an abomination. It would however have been a very poor decision for me personally.




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