Zionman wrote: JCFindley wrote: cogitoergosum wrote:
JCFindley wrote:I will say this, Fordham takes care of veterans and that is a big deal for me.
They do a LOT better than most of their peer schools in this regard as well as better than most schools in the NYC area. Dozo and St J do a good job for their vets as well but the rest are less accommodating if they participate in the yellow ribbon program at all.
Yeah, that's cool. I'm glad they took care of you JC.
Although I think it will be on you in 20 years to replenish the vet scholarship fund
Oh, I do agree.... I used to give to my UG before my ex-wives made me poor..... ROFLMAO, or my lifestyle choices made me poor to actually take responsibility for such things.
The way it works BTW is the GI Bill pays X, The difference between X and Tuition is paid by the student unless the school says they will participate in the yellow ribbon program. If they do, they will match up to Y dollars for so many students and the VA will also match that Y. The key is if X + 2Y = Tuition. It does at Fordham. In the T-14 the only schools I noted doing the program at that level were Mich and Cornell....
The point being is that Fordham does spend quite a bit of money towards its students tuition; it just doesn't do it all in merit based aid.
What's the value of X, typically?
Honestly it's a shame that the gov doesnt take better care of vets, overall, even though i dont agree that the fed should be providing $ to go to a highly overpriced school. Still, replenish my ass..you dont owe shit. If youre gonna give money give it to vets directly for more needy purposes than going to a f'n law school. How bout they take care of vets w/ no high school degree and a shitload of other stuff first.. smh. my 2c. excuse the rant
No worries on the rant....
Regarding X it is generally 17.5/yr for private institutions and full in state tuition for public schools. That is for a UG degree program or a graduate program. (I say generally as there are some exceptions but it is true of most states/schools) Then there is the yellow ribbon program which a school chooses to participate in or not. The school picks both the number of students they allow to get the program and the amount of money it will allow at that school. If the school participates then the VA matches the schools amount so the school contributes Y and the VA matches that. That can range from a very low amount to $99,999.99/yr (Which of course won't be reached in ANY schools that I can think of) How many students are allowed varies widely depending on the school as does the amount covered. For instance, if I recall correctly BU could have been an option for me whereas BC would not have been. (Assumes my wife was not a native NYer born and raised in the city and would have lived in Boston.)
At the end of the day some schools are far friendlier to vets than others in this program. Dozo does well, where as Brooklyn does not participate at all so anything beyond 17.5 is out of pocket at B.
As far as donating I tend to be very loyal to organizations that have done well by me. I am already that loyal to Fordham and I haven't stepped foot in a class yet. Concerning military causes I have been donating to the USO since I was a 2LT. It is and will be my favorite NGO concerning the military. In the last couple years the economy and my ex wives attorneys have taken their toll on my finances but I donate a lot of my art to various auctions that support military causes from PTSD to DMV causes. Since I don't have $$$ I use what talents I have.....
Regarding if you made the right choice or not the point is really moot as what is done is done. You can only make choices based on what you know and feel at the time you make it so regardless you simply make the best of it without looking back. Kill it at Dozo and get the job you want you won't think twice about that choice in the future. If you don't you probably wouldn't have at Fordham either but at least you won't be buried in the same level of debt.....
manofjustice wrote:We need to look at the big picture: law schools need to get less expensive. Law schools benefit too much from subsidized student loans, which will probably need to be bailed out soon enough by the taxpayer. For Fordham, of all schools, to refuse to give scholarship aid as do other equally or higher ranked schools...well, it's not going to last. If they want to fill their class with qualified applicants, they'll have to change.
So far they are still filling their classes but lets look at the economics here of similarly ranked schools. How many of them are in Manhattan? Similarly ranked schools are simply not there. I am going to use the #29 school tied with Fordham in that spot as my non-NYC example. It is a LOT cheaper to buy real estate in Tuscaloosa. Buildings are cheaper to build and cheaper to maintain. You don't have to pay staff anywhere near what you do to live in NYC and that ranges from the cleaning staff up through the Dean..... It is attached to the parent UA and there is an economy of scale in that from the University physical plant to not needing extra security guards just for the LS.... Absolutely everything is more expensive in NYC and having the school in that location simply costs more than WUSTL or UGA, or Bama, or MN, or Iowa or just about anywhere except possibly DC and Boston. If you want to go to school in Manhattan it is going to cost money regardless of where it comes from. (Just a wild guess is DOZO got a lot of extra $$$ this year from the religious community it serves because they want to regain the ground they lost in the rankings.... But that would explain the sudden widespread offers of full ride $$$ as people withdrew.)
Fordham IS working on being able to offer more money and they are aware of the skyrocketing costs for the LS. Hopefully that will change in the future and allow more people to attend at a reduced cost. I also know that is to late to help folks like Wily and I wish you the best of luck at GW.....