Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Mon May 28, 2012 11:36 pm

OnceUponAMemo wrote:
MrAnon wrote:
dingbat wrote:
MrAnon wrote:C's are pretty lousy. Indicative of no study at all. B- could be no study or just terrible prep and nervousness. If someone studies properly and writes decently the worst they'll realistically get is a B, but that's a 3.0 and awful for law school.

I thought that with grading on a curve thè worst people in the class (10-15%) end up with a C
While this would encompass those who don't study or write properly, it also means that I'd everyone studies their ass off, the weakest person in the section ends up with a C even if s/he works their ass off and writes decently (but is last because everyone else is better)
Like getting last place at the olympics doesn't mean you suck, just that everyone else there is better


Technically I don't believe "C" is on Fordham's curve. They'd award the grade if necessary though. C+ probably is on the curve. From my experience it would be very difficult for a competent student to get below a B- and for a competent student to actually get a B- would be a bit of a surprise. If you have a decent feel for what's going on, know your stuff, and can write well and spot issues, without any superman type edges, you are starting at a B. Getting the B+ and so on requires some edges.


Mr. Anon's post is very accurate. I just thought it couldn't hurt to add a couple specifics that I've learned after speaking with some of my 1L teachers and other department heads over the last two years.

First, only required classes have a mandatory curve. So that's all the 1L classes, including LRW, plus corporations, con law, and a general professional responsibility classes. An important note is that there are multiple specialized professional responsibility classes and these are generally smaller groups and are uncurved. Many upper level classes will not have a mandatory curve, however Fordham administration recommends a curve for classes with more than 20 people and strongly recommends a curve for classes with more than 40 people. I know of multiple younger faculty members that strictly adhere to the curve as they are still looking to make a good impression for tenure discussions which begin in the faculty member's third year teaching.

For the curve itself, professors are required to give at least 4% of the class (3 people in a typical 1L class of 80) some type of C. Anecdotally, the vast majority of professors will give a C+. Professors may give up to 16-18% of the class A's of some sort, but have to balance the number of A's and A-'s given. This means there are about 7 A's and 7 A-'s in a typical 1L class. Professors have the discretion to give an A+ instead of an A, but I have never heard of a teacher giving out more than 2 A+'s in a class.

Then, about 35% of the class will get a B and 35% of the class will get a B+, depending on how many A's a professor has distributed. Around 10-12% of the class will get a B-.

I agree with Mr. Anon that it is difficult to get lower than a B without a massive mistake being made or a complete lack of preparation. I do think however, that one can secure B+'s in any class with a few strategic tips and good typing speed.

Note, all the numbers above change each year and are based primarily on conversations that took place two years ago. Each number will change slightly each year and they also may vary by department, however, next year's numbers are likely very similar to those discussed above. I wouldn't have posted so much, but I see so many posts and hear so many people talk about the curve without a detailed understanding of it and this can negatively affect how one prepares. Hope this all helped.


Thanks a lot for the straight dope OUaM.... It does help....

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Tue May 29, 2012 5:09 pm

That's a bit optimistic and not entirely accurate. Professors actually may give 10-20% some form of A, NOT 16-18. I had a professor who only gave 10% As, partly due to his love of A+s.

The grading policy is posted right on the website...

"J.D. Grading Curve - By a resolution adopted on April 8, 2008, the faculty made the percentage distribution of grades listed below mandatory for all first year courses (with the exception of Legal Writing). The percentage distribution of grades for first year courses will be strictly enforced."

A- to A+ (10 to 20%)
B+ to A+ (40 to 50%)
B- to B+ (Remainder (the ratio of B- to B grades must be one-sixth to one-half of the total number of B- to B+ grades))
C- to C+ (3 to 10%)
D (No Standard)
F (No Standard)


http://law.fordham.edu/office-of-studen ... s/3696.htm

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby rkh235 » Wed May 30, 2012 10:49 am

IN OFF THE WAITLIST!!!
got a vmail yesterday at 3, called back this morning :)

FORDHAMMM IN THE FALLLLL BOOOOO YEAH!!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Wed May 30, 2012 11:33 am

rkh235 wrote:IN OFF THE WAITLIST!!!
got a vmail yesterday at 3, called back this morning :)

FORDHAMMM IN THE FALLLLL BOOOOO YEAH!!


SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWEEEEET and congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby loisaida » Wed May 30, 2012 12:01 pm

rkh235 wrote:IN OFF THE WAITLIST!!!
got a vmail yesterday at 3, called back this morning :)

FORDHAMMM IN THE FALLLLL BOOOOO YEAH!!


CONGRATS!! Giving us fellow wait listers hope around the June 1 deadline :)

Mind sharing your numbers or their range? I feel like I've done everything possible, but still no voicemail...

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Postby nautlius » Wed May 30, 2012 12:12 pm

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby rkh235 » Wed May 30, 2012 3:26 pm

im in the evening division but when i got the call i asked about fulltime movemnt (since a friend is waitlisted for full time). they said that they're gathering numbers for full time once the june 1st deposit passes and then there'll be some more movement!

im a 3.4ish, low 160s, top feeder school but i think my saving grace was that im kind of an unusual candidate in terms of background/experience. part time's average stats are lower than fulltime's tho, so idk how much help my stats will be

it feels soooo good being on the other side of this guys, so dont lose hope! im rooting for you guys!
im hoping to see many of you in the fall :)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby rkh235 » Wed May 30, 2012 3:29 pm

loisaida wrote:
rkh235 wrote:IN OFF THE WAITLIST!!!
got a vmail yesterday at 3, called back this morning :)

FORDHAMMM IN THE FALLLLL BOOOOO YEAH!!


CONGRATS!! Giving us fellow wait listers hope around the June 1 deadline :)

Mind sharing your numbers or their range? I feel like I've done everything possible, but still no voicemail...


try to speak to more fordham students. i actually attended an evening class, met the professor and students who i kept in touch with. write another loci about that! honestly, fordham admissions does such a good job at really trying to understand the class it puts together. if you show how genuine you are about fordham (not just in terms of how much you want to go there for its location, but how much you've done to learn/experience/get to knwo the school)- i really think that goes a long way as it shows how much initiative you've taken!

best of luck!!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby PinkRevolver » Wed May 30, 2012 4:18 pm

loisaida wrote:
rkh235 wrote:IN OFF THE WAITLIST!!!
got a vmail yesterday at 3, called back this morning :)

FORDHAMMM IN THE FALLLLL BOOOOO YEAH!!


CONGRATS!! Giving us fellow wait listers hope around the June 1 deadline :)

Mind sharing your numbers or their range? I feel like I've done everything possible, but still no voicemail...



Congrats rkh235!!! I'm happy for you and jealous at the same time lol.

And Loisaida, I really feel you. I feel like I've done everything and anything. Hopefully we'll get a phone call Friday or next Monday!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby loisaida » Wed May 30, 2012 5:22 pm

rkh235 wrote:
loisaida wrote:
rkh235 wrote:IN OFF THE WAITLIST!!!
got a vmail yesterday at 3, called back this morning :)

FORDHAMMM IN THE FALLLLL BOOOOO YEAH!!


CONGRATS!! Giving us fellow wait listers hope around the June 1 deadline :)

Mind sharing your numbers or their range? I feel like I've done everything possible, but still no voicemail...


try to speak to more fordham students. i actually attended an evening class, met the professor and students who i kept in touch with. write another loci about that! honestly, fordham admissions does such a good job at really trying to understand the class it puts together. if you show how genuine you are about fordham (not just in terms of how much you want to go there for its location, but how much you've done to learn/experience/get to knwo the school)- i really think that goes a long way as it shows how much initiative you've taken!

best of luck!!


Thanks! I get what you're saying. Patience is the best thing I can probably do at this point. Congrats again!!

PinkRevolver wrote:Congrats rkh235!!! I'm happy for you and jealous at the same time lol.

And Loisaida, I really feel you. I feel like I've done everything and anything. Hopefully we'll get a phone call Friday or next Monday!


@ Pink Revolver- I hope we get phone calls soon too! I told myself when it came to this wait list I was hoping I would hear before July 4th (seemed like a good target, right?) and we're well before that now... although the sooner the better, obviously :)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Munchkin318 » Thu May 31, 2012 11:03 am

Just deposited after being accepted off the WL last Tuesday!
Stopping by to say don't give up hope and good luck to all fellow WLers! The call could come when you least expect it so don't give up hope! :)
To the class of 2015, I look forward to seeing you soon!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby TLSwag » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:33 pm

yessssssss got the acceptance off WL - so thrilled to be joining you all!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby hadisious » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:56 pm

TLSwag wrote:yessssssss got the acceptance off WL - so thrilled to be joining you all!

Congrats! Was this today? or earlier in the week with some of the others?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:10 pm

TLSwag wrote:yessssssss got the acceptance off WL - so thrilled to be joining you all!

See you in August

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:52 pm

TLSwag wrote:yessssssss got the acceptance off WL - so thrilled to be joining you all!


SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!! and congrats Swag!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:40 pm

I just gave my boss my notice - WOOHOO!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:27 pm

dingbat wrote:I just gave my boss my notice - WOOHOO!


Gotta love it....

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:55 pm

I applied to be a student advisor. You're welcome and I'm sorry to those assigned to me.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:56 pm

JenDarby wrote:I applied to be a student advisor. You're welcome and I'm sorry to those assigned to me.

Uh oh.....

(what does a student advisor do and does everyone get one?)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:22 pm

JenDarby wrote:I applied to be a student advisor. You're welcome and I'm sorry to those assigned to me.


I need advisement, um but the problem is I don't even know what I don't know yet......

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:05 am

Ha yes everyone gets one. A student advisor supplies you with outlines each semester for all your classes. They can be VERY helpful. They also provide you free lunch once a semester (paid for by Fordham/your tuition) and give you guidance on random shit like registering for classes for 2L. Depending on the quality of your advisor, it can be fairly helpful.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Zionman » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:32 pm

Withdrew earlier in cycle (like late march) but
this school is cheap as hell. That is all... 8)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:40 pm

Zionman wrote:Withdrew earlier in cycle (like late march) but
this school is cheap as hell. That is all... 8)

:lol: you seem like you're going places.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Zionman » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:43 pm

JenDarby wrote:
Zionman wrote:Withdrew earlier in cycle (like late march) but
this school is cheap as hell. That is all... 8)

:lol: you seem like you're going places.


Don't wanna get into a personal tit for tat. Anybody else have this experience?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:45 pm

Zionman wrote:
JenDarby wrote:
Zionman wrote:Withdrew earlier in cycle (like late march) but
this school is cheap as hell. That is all... 8)

:lol: you seem like you're going places.


Don't wanna get into a personal tit for tat. Anybody else have this experience?

Which experience? Please explain




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