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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby nicole88 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:11 pm

I had the same situation, almost full rides at W&L and Emory, and Fordham would not negotiate.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:05 pm

rich_4 wrote:I got a lot more $$$ at Emory and W&L... can I use this as any type of leverage?

Not unless you have the stats to warrant a higher scholly.
Fordham only compares your stats to their average, not to competitive offers
(they told me quite frankly that schollys are used to buy higher stats. They don't have as much money for merit aid, so they don't get into bidding wars
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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby StarLightSpectre » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:06 pm

Complete again 3/30. It's my third complete. Should I get a decision soon? I was a late app so I haven't been following the thread to closely.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby rich_4 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:56 pm

nicole88 wrote:I had the same situation, almost full rides at W&L and Emory, and Fordham would not negotiate.
dingbat wrote:Not unless you have the stats to warrant a higher scholly.
Fordham only compares your stats to their average, not to competitive offers
(they told me quite frankly that schollys are used to buy higher stats. They don't have as much money for merit aid, so they don't get into bidding wars



Sounds like a no. Leaning toward Emory more every day, but it's hard to say no to NYC.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:51 pm

rich_4 wrote:I got a lot more $$$ at Emory and W&L... can I use this as any type of leverage?

You should absolutely try. Fordham DOES negotiate, even though they may not just throw money at you like some schools.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby avd90 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:05 pm

Withdrew. Even with 13k/yr from Mich, 32.5k/yr from GULC and 105k total from BU, they wouldn't negotiate past 10k/yr. Disappointing, but that's life!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dietcoke0 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:26 pm

avd90 wrote:Withdrew. Even with 13k/yr from Mich, 32.5k/yr from GULC and 105k total from BU, they wouldn't negotiate past 10k/yr. Disappointing, but that's life!


LMAO, really didn't want you. That should be worth at least 20k if they wanted you, that's nasty. Enjoy Ann Arbor or DC

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:43 pm

avd90 wrote:Withdrew. Even with 13k/yr from Mich, 32.5k/yr from GULC and 105k total from BU, they wouldn't negotiate past 10k/yr. Disappointing, but that's life!

Haha, that's really ridiculous. How the heck does Fordham keep up its medians?

ETA: although they may have just figured you weren't coming there anyway...

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dietcoke0 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:43 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:
avd90 wrote:Withdrew. Even with 13k/yr from Mich, 32.5k/yr from GULC and 105k total from BU, they wouldn't negotiate past 10k/yr. Disappointing, but that's life!

Haha, that's really ridiculous. How the heck does Fordham keep up its medians?

ETA: although they may have just figured you weren't coming there anyway...


60th and ninth

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:48 pm

dietcoke0 wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:
avd90 wrote:Withdrew. Even with 13k/yr from Mich, 32.5k/yr from GULC and 105k total from BU, they wouldn't negotiate past 10k/yr. Disappointing, but that's life!

Haha, that's really ridiculous. How the heck does Fordham keep up its medians?

ETA: although they may have just figured you weren't coming there anyway...


60th and ninth

Yeah yeah yeah, biggest legal market, yadda yadda... that's certainly worth something, but when a t-14 is offering 3x as much merit aid as a t-30 - even a t-30 at "60th and ninth" - it's gotta make it very difficult for the t-30 to attract highly qualified applicants.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby avd90 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:51 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:
avd90 wrote:Withdrew. Even with 13k/yr from Mich, 32.5k/yr from GULC and 105k total from BU, they wouldn't negotiate past 10k/yr. Disappointing, but that's life!

Haha, that's really ridiculous. How the heck does Fordham keep up its medians?

ETA: although they may have just figured you weren't coming there anyway...


yeah, I think that may have had something to do with it. still sort of sucked though. My mom is a Fordham alum and they still didn't give a crap (that was really why I applied in the first place, because of my mom). Perhaps Fordham realized they couldn't/wouldn't compete with GULC for money (which though it gets a lot of shit on TLS, is still a T-14)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:27 pm

I'll be honest, I don't knock many (ANY schools) but I never considered GULC for a second. Congrats on BU and UMich though. I didn't apply to Mich, but I'd jump on those offers.
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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:27 pm

Withdrew! Hopefully someone gets my spot!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby TLSwag » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:18 am

msblaw89 wrote:Withdrew! Hopefully someone gets my spot!


thank you for withdrawing, best luck with everything! (WL)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby john1990 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:06 am

Waitlisted with a 166/3.32

I wrote a LOCI and stated that i would be happy being a part-time student, i heard that this may make it more likely to gain admissions

Do part-time students go to the same OCI and have the same opportunities as Full-time students?
I know that after the first year Part-timers are allowed to switch to Full-time

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby TLSwag » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:30 am

john1990 wrote:Waitlisted with a 166/3.32

I wrote a LOCI and stated that i would be happy being a part-time student, i heard that this may make it more likely to gain admissions

Do part-time students go to the same OCI and have the same opportunities as Full-time students?
I know that after the first year Part-timers are allowed to switch to Full-time


I presumed you weren't still in UG if you asked this question, till I saw the 1990.

Do u have a full time job right now? Do you plan on working through law school to make ends meet?
These are the things that part-time students get admissions boosts for, and most of the spots go to people with a few years of relevant WE. It's fine to indicate "both" if applicable but if u are making a case saying that in a LOCI, I hope you were careful with your language so it didn't seem uninformed & desperate. LOCI's should be pretty brief and to the point, yet compelling... you don't want to overdue anything dude.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Gemini » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:23 pm

john1990 wrote:Waitlisted with a 166/3.32

I wrote a LOCI and stated that i would be happy being a part-time student, i heard that this may make it more likely to gain admissions

Do part-time students go to the same OCI and have the same opportunities as Full-time students?
I know that after the first year Part-timers are allowed to switch to Full-time


True but Fordham actually discourages a switch. They look for people with legitimate reasons why they want to be part of the evening program (family, job, etc.). From what I understand, they don't like it to be used as a backdoor way in to the day program.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby john1990 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:10 pm

Gemini wrote:
john1990 wrote:Waitlisted with a 166/3.32

I wrote a LOCI and stated that i would be happy being a part-time student, i heard that this may make it more likely to gain admissions

Do part-time students go to the same OCI and have the same opportunities as Full-time students?
I know that after the first year Part-timers are allowed to switch to Full-time


True but Fordham actually discourages a switch. They look for people with legitimate reasons why they want to be part of the evening program (family, job, etc.). From what I understand, they don't like it to be used as a backdoor way in to the day program.


I should have mentioned that i heard about switching to both from an admissions counselor when i visited the school shortly after being wait listed. He asked me if i would be willing to be a part-time student, and when i said yes he seemed happy with my response. Of course this could just be that he personally likes my initiative and commitment.
I am concerned about OCI and equality among PT an FT students, although for now i am just on the WL

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:21 am

john1990 wrote:
Gemini wrote:
john1990 wrote:Waitlisted with a 166/3.32

I wrote a LOCI and stated that i would be happy being a part-time student, i heard that this may make it more likely to gain admissions

Do part-time students go to the same OCI and have the same opportunities as Full-time students?
I know that after the first year Part-timers are allowed to switch to Full-time


True but Fordham actually discourages a switch. They look for people with legitimate reasons why they want to be part of the evening program (family, job, etc.). From what I understand, they don't like it to be used as a backdoor way in to the day program.


I should have mentioned that i heard about switching to both from an admissions counselor when i visited the school shortly after being wait listed. He asked me if i would be willing to be a part-time student, and when i said yes he seemed happy with my response. Of course this could just be that he personally likes my initiative and commitment.
I am concerned about OCI and equality among PT an FT students, although for now i am just on the WL

I hope you mentioned said admissions counsellor by name in your LOCI

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Gemini » Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:27 am

john1990 wrote:
Gemini wrote:
john1990 wrote:Waitlisted with a 166/3.32

I wrote a LOCI and stated that i would be happy being a part-time student, i heard that this may make it more likely to gain admissions

Do part-time students go to the same OCI and have the same opportunities as Full-time students?
I know that after the first year Part-timers are allowed to switch to Full-time


True but Fordham actually discourages a switch. They look for people with legitimate reasons why they want to be part of the evening program (family, job, etc.). From what I understand, they don't like it to be used as a backdoor way in to the day program.


I should have mentioned that i heard about switching to both from an admissions counselor when i visited the school shortly after being wait listed. He asked me if i would be willing to be a part-time student, and when i said yes he seemed happy with my response. Of course this could just be that he personally likes my initiative and commitment.
I am concerned about OCI and equality among PT an FT students, although for now i am just on the WL


Well whatever the answer is, good luck!!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby john1990 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:09 am

Gemini wrote:
john1990 wrote:
Gemini wrote:
john1990 wrote:Waitlisted with a 166/3.32

I wrote a LOCI and stated that i would be happy being a part-time student, i heard that this may make it more likely to gain admissions

Do part-time students go to the same OCI and have the same opportunities as Full-time students?
I know that after the first year Part-timers are allowed to switch to Full-time


True but Fordham actually discourages a switch. They look for people with legitimate reasons why they want to be part of the evening program (family, job, etc.). From what I understand, they don't like it to be used as a backdoor way in to the day program.


I should have mentioned that i heard about switching to both from an admissions counselor when i visited the school shortly after being wait listed. He asked me if i would be willing to be a part-time student, and when i said yes he seemed happy with my response. Of course this could just be that he personally likes my initiative and commitment.
I am concerned about OCI and equality among PT an FT students, although for now i am just on the WL


Well whatever the answer is, good luck!!


Thank you :mrgreen: i appreciate it!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby leafs1315 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:43 pm

I got wait listed about a month and half ago. I signed up immediately on the website to say I wanted to remain on the wait list and I also sent in an LOCI about a week later. I'm planning on visiting the campus next week.

I was wondering if there was anything else that I could do to help my chances? Do people usually meet with the admissions office during campus visits?

I really want to go to Fordham since it has a good location and a good IP program (I have a background in engineering). My goal is to eventually work in NY at an IP firm.

Thanks

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ned » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:52 pm

dietcoke0 wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:
avd90 wrote:Withdrew. Even with 13k/yr from Mich, 32.5k/yr from GULC and 105k total from BU, they wouldn't negotiate past 10k/yr. Disappointing, but that's life!

Haha, that's really ridiculous. How the heck does Fordham keep up its medians?

ETA: although they may have just figured you weren't coming there anyway...


60th and ninth


Manhattan is a good place to find jobs, but it doesn't explain Fordham's ability to draw good students with little merit aid. Just look at Cardozo, Brooklyn Law, and NYLS for schools that have good addresses, plenty of merit aid, and inferior reputation and student body.

Here's the deal:

1) MANY people get need-based aid. Merit aid is icing on the cake, but not the primary factor in choosing schools for the majority of students.

2) Fordham seems to have established over the decades a particular niche based on its Manhattan alumni network and job placement at biglaw. You see Fordham at all levels of the top 50 law firms, including recruiting, partners, associates, etc., well beyond what its USNR ranking would suggest.

3) If you just barely don't get in to NYU or Columbia, Fordham is the best option in the region in terms of ranking/prestige, job placement, and size. There are tons of people in this category. So they don't feel compelled to play lets make a deal.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ned » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:58 pm

leafs1315 wrote:I got wait listed about a month and half ago. I signed up immediately on the website to say I wanted to remain on the wait list and I also sent in an LOCI about a week later. I'm planning on visiting the campus next week.

I was wondering if there was anything else that I could do to help my chances? Do people usually meet with the admissions office during campus visits?

I really want to go to Fordham since it has a good location and a good IP program (I have a background in engineering). My goal is to eventually work in NY at an IP firm.

Thanks


You've probably heard this too, but I've read that Cardozo is actually highly regarded in IP, possibly ranked higher than Fordham but I'm not sure.... My point being, you'll be okay with your engineering I/P credentials even if you don't wind up at Fordham, for what it's worth.... Good luck though!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby leafs1315 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:14 pm

Thanks for the response. I think in the IP/Patent Law rankings Cardozo is around 4th and Fordham is 12th. So you are correct that Cardozo has a highly regarded IP program.

However, I've been told that you should try to go to a school that has a good program in a speciality you want, in addition to an overall high'ish ranking. That is why I want to go to Fordham, since it is a top 30 school and top 15 IP school. But I did also apply to Cardozo, due to it being a good IP school.




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