Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby SDPalmTree » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:11 pm

JenDarby wrote:SDPalmTree, what are the schools you're considering (have been accepted to) with the great externships and teaching methods? No need to be coy, your comment is just a valueless rant without specifics. Promotional materials aren't exactly where I'd base my LS decision off of, regardless of whether they emphasize area or their superb teaching methods.

I'm glad Mr. Anon posts here though. Not everyone from any given LS ends up being successful, and it IS nice to see the other side. LS and Fordham do involve taking on a high level of debt generally, and you could become a bitter TLS poster when it's all said and done.


Well, to be specific, all of my interactions with BU have included a discussion of how highly-ranked their professors are, and the satisfication of the students that attend there. Though I will say that I was discouraged by their "you're probably not getting a job" speech at the reception I went to...

For GW, the conversations I've had with the new dean have revolved around all the exciting new things that he wants to implement now that he's at a better university than ASU. He put a lot of emphasis on the externship program they have in DC, the mentorship program they have within the school, and their emphasis on inviting organizations, government entities, etc. to pose legal questions to their students in order to grant them experience in handling them. He also described other pilot programs like having JDs working with MBAs at GW + more, but I can’t really remember now. I'm sure there are bound to be at least some problems with these pilot programs, but the guy's enthusiasm was pretty infectious.

All my interactions with Fordham have emphasized the fact that they exist in NYC, legal capital of the world. When combined with employment statistics, Fordham is probably the best choice out of these three schools. More than anything, I was simply commenting on the lack of anything else being emphasized as a particular strength. It has a stellar location and a solid academic standing, more than enough for me to fall in love with the school, it's just not investing much in telling me what makes it unique as an institution.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:23 pm

I'm surprised that's how your interactions with Fordham have gone, to be honest. When I was negotiating scholarships with them (my only real in depth conversation) they never once emphasized the location and rather buried me in useful info about all that Fordham has to offer.

I'm continually inpressed by the breadth of opportunities at Fordham. Though, I've also come to realize every decent law school basically has them. I am on my phone or I'd go into more depth, but when it comes down to it most well ranked law schools provide quality teaching, excellent externship opportunities, etc. BU, GW and Fordham really are peer schools and many of my friends picked between them when deciding what school to attend. Between the three I'd honestly say follow the money, while considering where you want to end up, because in that respect location is important.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby SDPalmTree » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:22 pm

JenDarby wrote:Between the three I'd honestly say follow the money, while considering where you want to end up, because in that respect location is important.


That's pretty much the advice I've received from everyone. I suppose it's good to know that your advice is so prevalent, lends itself to credibility. :wink:

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Postby MrAnon » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:31 pm

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:15 pm

SDPalmTree wrote:Personally, I think it fits really well with the only really outstanding part of Fordham - its location. Other schools I've been accepted into have been emphasizing how great their externships, teaching methods, etc. are; but looking at the Fordham promotional materials, the only thing that really stands out are the pictures of NYC they place on every other page.

So at least they're playing to their strengths...

Columbia and NYU emphasize the location as well.
The NY location is a big deal, considering it is a major hub and the biggest legal market in the country.
Being in the same location as the UN and wall street, as well as the head office for many law (and other) firms is a big deal.
Is it the only factor to consider? No.
It's no good being in the same city as the UN if you can't get an internship there (eg NYLS, Touro), but for a school like NYU, it is a reason to pick it over Chicago, or some of the other T14.
Part of the reason Columbia and NYU do so well in biglaw placement, vs say Michigan, is the fact that they're tied in together. At least half the T14 are effectively regional schools, but look at the regions.
When the location is NY, then yes, it is a major selling point and u see no reason why it shouldnt be emphasized - its what makes Forsjam stand out from the rest of the T30 (or is it T29 now? :) )
Compared to similarly ranked schools, the quality of the education will be about the same, as will the courses offered. The faculty will be comparable, as will the clinics offered. Honestly, location (and job placement, which is related) is the big differentiator. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or naive. Assuming you get in to similarly ranked schools, the reason to choose Fordham over, say, WUSTL or ASU

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby SDPalmTree » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:47 pm

Never said that NYC wasn't a great selling point. It's why I'm likely to choose Fordham over the other two, assuming BU and GW don't offer me more $$ than Fordham. Not that they're in a hurry to offer me any...

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Robst » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:20 pm

Stoked for ASD.

May make the cross country trip.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Fujin11 » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:02 am

Anyone else applying to the stein scholars program/have any insider info on it?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby StarLightSpectre » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:45 am

Mine went complete again... will I ever get a decision.. :(

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby MrAnon » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:47 pm

I just wanted to comment that i'm not a jobless grad. I actually do quite well for myself and I make biglaw money. so don't disregard me as some bitter malcontent in doc review.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:13 pm

MrAnon wrote:I just wanted to comment that i'm not a jobless grad. I actually do quite well for myself and I make biglaw money. so don't disregard me as some bitter malcontent in doc review.

That's fantastic! Perhaps you have something positive to impart on the group about Fordham after all?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby MikeTheWilliams » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:20 pm

Just got the email. I'm in!

Anyone know when I might hear about scholarship info?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby SDPalmTree » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:26 pm

MikeTheWilliams wrote:Just got the email. I'm in!

Anyone know when I might hear about scholarship info?


I was accepted on 2/14 and got my scholarship offer via email on 2/22. So be prepared to wait at least a week.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby StarLightSpectre » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:54 pm

Did any of the recent acceptances get their a new complete date in the last several days?

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby MikeTheWilliams » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:50 pm

1st Complete: 2/14
2nd: 2/27
3rd: 3/16
Decision: 3/23

Good luck to everyone still waiting to hear!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby uptowngirl22 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:02 pm

Hey guys,

I apologize if this is a stupid/nitpicky question but... was waitlisted about two weeks ago, about to send a LOCI. Was wondering if I should address Kathryn Espiritu as "Ms." or "Dean", as her official title is director of admissions (rather than dean).... Thoughts? Thanks.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby dingbat » Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:39 pm

uptowngirl22 wrote:Hey guys,

I apologize if this is a stupid/nitpicky question but... was waitlisted about two weeks ago, about to send a LOCI. Was wondering if I should address Kathryn Espiritu as "Ms." or "Dean", as her official title is director of admissions (rather than dean).... Thoughts? Thanks.

I'd address it "Dear Kathryn", but only if you've had dealings with her.
Also, I'd wait 2 weeks. They don't start pulling off the waitlists before the 15th (deposit deadline) and you want to be fresh in their minds when they do

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JenDarby » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:56 pm

uptowngirl22 wrote:Hey guys,

I apologize if this is a stupid/nitpicky question but... was waitlisted about two weeks ago, about to send a LOCI. Was wondering if I should address Kathryn Espiritu as "Ms." or "Dean", as her official title is director of admissions (rather than dean).... Thoughts? Thanks.

I just checked back in my old emails. When she emailed me she said "Dear Ms. XX:" so I responded with "Dear Ms. Espiritu:" By our second emails we moved onto first name. I wouldn't call her Dean.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby britts » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:34 pm

It seems like a lot of people on this thread got multiple " application complete updates" on the online status checker before finally being notified. Mine went complete on 3/12 (that's the only update I've had), but I still have not heard anything. I just want to know, already!! :shock:

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:56 pm

britts wrote:It seems like a lot of people on this thread got multiple " application complete updates" on the online status checker before finally being notified. Mine went complete on 3/12 (that's the only update I've had), but I still have not heard anything. I just want to know, already!! :shock:


3/12 for my complete as well but I applied late....

To be honest it is a reach school for me in a pretty big way but figured I would see if they liked my softs enough to give me a shot.....

JC

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Postby britts » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:04 pm

JCFindley wrote:
britts wrote:It seems like a lot of people on this thread got multiple " application complete updates" on the online status checker before finally being notified. Mine went complete on 3/12 (that's the only update I've had), but I still have not heard anything. I just want to know, already!! :shock:


3/12 for my complete as well but I applied late....

To be honest it is a reach school for me in a pretty big way but figured I would see if they liked my softs enough to give me a shot.....

JC


I applied late too, I think on February 29th. It's a reach for me too (3.2 from NYU undergrad and 162 LSAT...but figured it was still worth a shot). I already got my acceptance from U of Miami; it would be nice to hear from Fordham before the first deposit is due to Miami on 4/15. But assuming I don't hear from Fordham by that date, I'll put the deposit down at Miami so I at least secure a spot, and still hope for good news from Fordham. Good luck to you!!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby JCFindley » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:11 pm

britts wrote:
JCFindley wrote:
britts wrote:It seems like a lot of people on this thread got multiple " application complete updates" on the online status checker before finally being notified. Mine went complete on 3/12 (that's the only update I've had), but I still have not heard anything. I just want to know, already!! :shock:


3/12 for my complete as well but I applied late....

To be honest it is a reach school for me in a pretty big way but figured I would see if they liked my softs enough to give me a shot.....

JC


I applied late too, I think on February 29th. It's a reach for me too (3.2 from NYU undergrad and 162 LSAT...but figured it was still worth a shot). I already got my acceptance from U of Miami; it would be nice to hear from Fordham before the first deposit is due to Miami on 4/15. But assuming I don't hear from Fordham by that date, I'll put the deposit down at Miami so I at least secure a spot, and still hope for good news from Fordham. Good luck to you!!


Good luck to you as well.... I might even retake the LSAT and try again next year if I don't get in. Fordham is my top choice for various reasons regardless of where my LSAT ends up in a retake.

We will see....

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Postby britts » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:21 pm

JCFindley wrote:
britts wrote:
JCFindley wrote:
britts wrote:It seems like a lot of people on this thread got multiple " application complete updates" on the online status checker before finally being notified. Mine went complete on 3/12 (that's the only update I've had), but I still have not heard anything. I just want to know, already!! :shock:


3/12 for my complete as well but I applied late....

To be honest it is a reach school for me in a pretty big way but figured I would see if they liked my softs enough to give me a shot.....

JC


I applied late too, I think on February 29th. It's a reach for me too (3.2 from NYU undergrad and 162 LSAT...but figured it was still worth a shot). I already got my acceptance from U of Miami; it would be nice to hear from Fordham before the first deposit is due to Miami on 4/15. But assuming I don't hear from Fordham by that date, I'll put the deposit down at Miami so I at least secure a spot, and still hope for good news from Fordham. Good luck to you!!


Good luck to you as well.... I might even retake the LSAT and try again next year if I don't get in. Fordham is my top choice for various reasons regardless of where my LSAT ends up in a retake.

We will see....


Thanks! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Fordham is fantastic, it's definitely my top choice as well.

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby nicole88 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:52 pm

Hey everyone, I'm a current 1L, I'll be around to answer q's or feel free to send me a message!

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Re: Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby Happy Endings » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:46 am

Congrats to those recently accepted!!!!
For those still waiting...be encouraged and stay positive!! I applied back in Sept and now April is around the corner (8months)!! I am certain this school is the right fit for me, as I am sure it is for a lot of those whom are still waiting. Of course, no letter or statement can accurately reflect the desire to attend such an institution. However, I hope we all get to experience the amount of jubilation I imagine I would feel, if I was blessed enough to open an acceptance letter/email from Fordham!!

Hang in there, guys! :)




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