Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle) Forum

[cocoabean250]

Kathryn Espiritu ‏@KathrynForLaw

"Last batch of Admits for this week just went out..."

The TORTURE.

[baconcausescancer]

So in an earlier e-mail to all the waitlist candidates, they totally said that they wouldn't be able to "offer any merit scholarships to students admitted off the waitlist."

I got an e-mail today saying I got merit moniez.

Happy mistake? Has this happened to anyone else? COME LET US CELEBRATE

Oh man, I told them I wasn't interested any longer. I hope your numbers are a lot better than mine otherwise I'm gonna be mad at myself.

If his/her profile is accurate - 165/3.5/non URM.

Maybe that was Fordham's sly way of weeding out the people who really wanted Fordham.

Also, geography matters. Anyone from outside the northeast can help cement Fordham as a national rather than regional force. The lucky recipient is from CA.

HEY IT WASN'T LUCK OKAY, IT WAS PURELY MY BRAINS AND MY SPECIALNESS.

Jk, I have no idea why I got merit scholly monies but not complaining

[expatHK]

WL's, any word?

[JCFindley]

If his/her profile is accurate - 165/3.5/non URM.

Maybe that was Fordham's sly way of weeding out the people who really wanted Fordham.

Also, geography matters. Anyone from outside the northeast can help cement Fordham as a national rather than regional force. The lucky recipient is from CA.

HEY IT WASN'T LUCK OKAY, IT WAS PURELY MY BRAINS AND MY SPECIALNESS.

Jk, I have no idea why I got merit scholly monies but not complaining [/quote]

Regardless of why, CONGRATS!!!! I think it was Jen's idea.... The letter was to see how much you REALLY wanted Fordham...

[JenDarby]

Bacon, my section alone has no fewer than 6 people from San Diego. There are quite a few of us from UCSD, you'll be in good company. Congrats!

[SDPalmTree]

Bacon, my section alone has no fewer than 6 people from San Diego. There are quite a few of us from UCSD, you'll be in good company. Congrats!

Also a SD native who went to UCSD...

Good times. Much better than Oregon or LA.

[Jimbola]

If his/her profile is accurate - 165/3.5/non URM.

Maybe that was Fordham's sly way of weeding out the people who really wanted Fordham.

Also, geography matters. Anyone from outside the northeast can help cement Fordham as a national rather than regional force. The lucky recipient is from CA.

HEY IT WASN'T LUCK OKAY, IT WAS PURELY MY BRAINS AND MY SPECIALNESS.

Jk, I have no idea why I got merit scholly monies but not complaining

Regardless of why, CONGRATS!!!! I think it was Jen's idea.... The letter was to see how much you REALLY wanted Fordham...[/quote]


Oh yeah I wasn't even close. Just wondering if anything super crazy was going on. Well congratulations! Best of luck!

[baconcausescancer]

Bacon, my section alone has no fewer than 6 people from San Diego. There are quite a few of us from UCSD, you'll be in good company. Congrats!

Yes. The only point of this handle was to get someone to call me Bacon. I'm not even a law student and I've made up all the stuff about GPA and LSAT scores (whatever that means, but I've been observing this thread for months and I have a decent command on your language).











A joke! Get it? A... joke...?

[StevenGerrard999]

Why would anyone want to go to fordham...its a joke

[DTDT]

Why would anyone want to go to fordham...its a joke

Thanks for your insightful analysis.

[ajax]

Why would anyone want to go to fordham...its a joke

Thanks for your insightful analysis.

I agree and disagree with his/her statement "Why would anyone want to go to Fordham... it's a joke." I agree with the "Why would anyone want to go to Fordham" segment, but disagree with the "It's a joke" segment. Fordham is a quality law school. It is certainly not a joke. However, Fordham is offering very little money in an economy where only about 1/3 of law grads are getting jobs that require a JD. To attend Fordham, and likely graduate with minimum 100k of debt (more likely 200k) in this economic climate, seems insane.

Links:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162- ... en-ticket/

http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot. ... mment-form

[dingbat]

Why would anyone want to go to fordham...its a joke

Thanks for your insightful analysis.

I agree and disagree with his/her statement "Why would anyone want to go to Fordham... it's a joke." I agree with the "Why would anyone want to go to Fordham" segment, but disagree with the "It's a joke" segment. Fordham is a quality law school. It is certainly not a joke. However, Fordham is offering very little money in an economy where only about 1/3 of law grads are getting jobs that require a JD. To attend Fordham, and likely graduate with minimum 100k of debt (more likely 200k) in this economic climate, seems insane.

Links:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162- ... en-ticket/

http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot. ... mment-form

Be careful here. Yes, there are more law school graduates than new law jobs.
However, you cannot make a blanket statement like "only 1/3" get jobs" and apply it to every school. More than 2/3 of Fordham's 2011 grads got JD required jobs (can someone look up the exact number for me?), not 1/3, as your post implies.
No, there are no guarantees, but that goes for every school and every field - more so for some and less so for others

[JenDarby]

Fordham is no more of a joke than most law schools. If you don't have any financial plan, law school in general might be a poor decision. This goes for nearly all life decisions. If you're really that worried about being screwed by law school debt, I'd avoid most schools. If you're just complaining that Fordham didn't give you money or maybe even accept you, well, it doesn't sound like you deserve any Steven.

I'm by no means at the very top of my class, yet I have a paid internship this summer. Many people I know with better grades at comparable or better schools do not. People I know at "worse" schools with lower grades do. There are a lot of factors that play into career success. I knew nothing about Fordham before coming here for LS. After my first year, I can tell you that firms in NY definitely do not think Fordham is a joke.

[DTDT]

How about the quality of the Professors and the difficulty and depth of the program? I have a career that a Fordham Law JD will fortify rather than laterally alter.

Besides trolling, perhaps Steven is also commenting on the current state of finding a job, in this marketplace, if you aren't competitive in the class rankings. Not necessarily reflecting on the quality of the program.

To put it in perspective, which Law Schools are not a joke Steven?

[TLSwag]

Why would anyone want to go to fordham...its a joke

our friend steven here is the same guy who commented a few days ago that USC on a full ride is financial suicide. waaaa

bitter, much?

[JCFindley]

Ya know, some posts are not even worth taking the time to acknowledge......

But then, I suppose by typing the above I just did.....

[Robespierre]

28% of 2011 Fordham grads got jobs with 100+ lawyer firms, or federal clerkships. That's a big proportion to send to the upper crust of the legal profession. On the other hand, 42.5% failed to get a full-time, long-term, J.D.-required job. That's scary.

Mixed bag? Yes. Joke? No.

http://law.fordham.edu/assets/CareerPla ... t_9mos.pdf

[JenDarby]

28% of 2011 Fordham grads got jobs with 100+ lawyer firms, or federal clerkships. That's a big proportion to send to the upper crust of the legal profession. On the other hand, 42.5% failed to get a full-time, long-term, J.D.-required job. That's scary.

Mixed bag? Yes. Joke? No.

http://law.fordham.edu/assets/CareerPla ... t_9mos.pdf

It's hard to decidedly interpret this data. It's never completely transparent, which is a big problem with employment data. It's possible, even likely that at least some of those non JD required jobs were advantageous or preferable to the students.

[TLSwag]

28% of 2011 Fordham grads got jobs with 100+ lawyer firms, or federal clerkships. That's a big proportion to send to the upper crust of the legal profession. On the other hand, 42.5% failed to get a full-time, long-term, J.D.-required job. That's scary.

Mixed bag? Yes. Joke? No.

http://law.fordham.edu/assets/CareerPla ... t_9mos.pdf

It's hard to decidedly interpret this data. It's never completely transparent, which is a big problem with employment data. It's possible, even likely that at least some of those non JD required jobs were advantageous or preferable to the students.

not to mention that everyone knows 2011 was the worst year for law school grads (2009 OCI) ... I'm not the most wishful thinker and I'm not saying the legal market is going to rebound to where it was a decade ago, or even close for that matter, but it definitely will improve from 2011.

[ajax]

28% of 2011 Fordham grads got jobs with 100+ lawyer firms, or federal clerkships. That's a big proportion to send to the upper crust of the legal profession. On the other hand, 42.5% failed to get a full-time, long-term, J.D.-required job. That's scary.

Mixed bag? Yes. Joke? No.

http://law.fordham.edu/assets/CareerPla ... t_9mos.pdf

It's hard to decidedly interpret this data. It's never completely transparent, which is a big problem with employment data. It's possible, even likely that at least some of those non JD required jobs were advantageous or preferable to the students.

not to mention that everyone knows 2011 was the worst year for law school grads (2009 OCI) ... I'm not the most wishful thinker and I'm not saying the legal market is going to rebound to where it was a decade ago, or even close for that matter, but it definitely will improve from 2011.

Generally when a trader decides to buy a security, whether it be a stock, bond, or commodity, he generally gives himself 4 ins. In a nutshell, if he wants to buy 1000 shares, he buys 250 shares at 4 different prices levels. This is because buying the bottom is near impossible.

Just because 2011 was the worst year in terms of legal hiring, doesn't mean that 2013 won't be any worse. 2014 could be much, much worse. The general sentiment of the past four years has been to buy houses, because home prices have never been so low. Well if you bought three years ago, prices came down two years ago. Then they came down one year ago. And home prices continue to drop today.

The point is, you are likely not buying the bottom by attending Fordham this fall. I mean this as a friendly heads up. In fact, I wouldn't mind attending Fordham at some time in the future, but I'm going to wait for a credible (more than one year) uptrend in the legal market first.

[JenDarby]

^ I mean no offense, but what are you doing in the class of 15/16 thread then. There are better, appropriate places on TLS to address your concerns.

The purpose of this thread is for students hoping to/planning to attend Fordham this year to get advice, make friends, express concerns, etc. I met a few of my favorite people at Fordham in my waiting thread and I also received some great advice from current students. This years thread has frequently lost its course.

[TLSwag]

28% of 2011 Fordham grads got jobs with 100+ lawyer firms, or federal clerkships. That's a big proportion to send to the upper crust of the legal profession. On the other hand, 42.5% failed to get a full-time, long-term, J.D.-required job. That's scary.

Mixed bag? Yes. Joke? No.

http://law.fordham.edu/assets/CareerPla ... t_9mos.pdf

It's hard to decidedly interpret this data. It's never completely transparent, which is a big problem with employment data. It's possible, even likely that at least some of those non JD required jobs were advantageous or preferable to the students.

not to mention that everyone knows 2011 was the worst year for law school grads (2009 OCI) ... I'm not the most wishful thinker and I'm not saying the legal market is going to rebound to where it was a decade ago, or even close for that matter, but it definitely will improve from 2011.

Generally when a trader decides to buy a security, whether it be a stock, bond, or commodity, he generally gives himself 4 ins. In a nutshell, if he wants to buy 1000 shares, he buys 250 shares at 4 different prices levels. This is because buying the bottom is near impossible.

Just because 2011 was the worst year in terms of legal hiring, doesn't mean that 2013 won't be any worse. 2014 could be much, much worse. The general sentiment of the past four years has been to buy houses, because home prices have never been so low. Well if you bought three years ago, prices came down two years ago. Then they came down one year ago. And home prices continue to drop today.

The point is, you are likely not buying the bottom by attending Fordham this fall. I mean this as a friendly heads up. In fact, I wouldn't mind attending Fordham at some time in the future, but I'm going to wait for a credible (more than one year) uptrend in the legal market first.

while that was a creative analogy, it was also one without significant relevance. the real estate market can not be compared that extensively to law school trends. you have a point, which i in fact conceded in my previous post, however, you are ignoring data (beyond anecdotal evidence) that points to at least a slight up-stick in the legal market for the coming year.

[ajax]

^ I mean this as no offense, but what are you doing in the class of 15/16 thread then. There are better, appropriate places on TLS to address your concerns.

The purpose of this thread is for students hoping to/planning to attend Fordham this year to get advice, make friends, express concerns, etc. I met a few of my favorite people at Fordham in my waiting thread and I also received some great advice from current students. This years thread has frequently lost its course.

Doing my due diligence. Not attending blindly, like so many others have in the past. Because I am interested in Fordham, I read through this thread. I also read the scam blogs. I also read the success stories. On top of anecdotal evidence, I scour for as much hard data as possible, such as law school transparency.

I thought I was giving a friendly heads up with my post about it being very difficult to buy the low. Someone made the argument that the market will never be worse than it was in 2011, and guess what, it very well may be. For everyone's sake who is attending this year, I hope 2011 was the worst year. I really do. But, it certainly doesn't hurt to look at the other side of the coin, either.

[ajax]

Mixed bag? Yes. Joke? No.

http://law.fordham.edu/assets/CareerPla ... t_9mos.pdf[/quote]
It's hard to decidedly interpret this data. It's never completely transparent, which is a big problem with employment data. It's possible, even likely that at least some of those non JD required jobs were advantageous or preferable to the students.[/quote]

not to mention that everyone knows 2011 was the worst year for law school grads (2009 OCI) ... I'm not the most wishful thinker and I'm not saying the legal market is going to rebound to where it was a decade ago, or even close for that matter, but it definitely will improve from 2011.[/quote]


Generally when a trader decides to buy a security, whether it be a stock, bond, or commodity, he generally gives himself 4 ins. In a nutshell, if he wants to buy 1000 shares, he buys 250 shares at 4 different prices levels. This is because buying the bottom is near impossible.

Just because 2011 was the worst year in terms of legal hiring, doesn't mean that 2013 won't be any worse. 2014 could be much, much worse. The general sentiment of the past four years has been to buy houses, because home prices have never been so low. Well if you bought three years ago, prices came down two years ago. Then they came down one year ago. And home prices continue to drop today.

The point is, you are likely not buying the bottom by attending Fordham this fall. I mean this as a friendly heads up. In fact, I wouldn't mind attending Fordham at some time in the future, but I'm going to wait for a credible (more than one year) uptrend in the legal market first.[/quote]

while that was a creative analogy, it was also one without significant relevance. the real estate market can not be compared that extensively to law school trends. you have a point, which i in fact conceded in my previous post, however, you are ignoring data (beyond anecdotal evidence) that points to at least a slight up-stick in the legal market for the coming year.[/quote]

And often times a slight up-tick is a great time to put on a massive short position.

Listen. Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk. Just make sure you're going for the right reasons.

[TLSwag]

Mixed bag? Yes. Joke? No.

http://law.fordham.edu/assets/CareerPla ... t_9mos.pdf

It's hard to decidedly interpret this data. It's never completely transparent, which is a big problem with employment data. It's possible, even likely that at least some of those non JD required jobs were advantageous or preferable to the students.[/quote]

not to mention that everyone knows 2011 was the worst year for law school grads (2009 OCI) ... I'm not the most wishful thinker and I'm not saying the legal market is going to rebound to where it was a decade ago, or even close for that matter, but it definitely will improve from 2011.[/quote]


Generally when a trader decides to buy a security, whether it be a stock, bond, or commodity, he generally gives himself 4 ins. In a nutshell, if he wants to buy 1000 shares, he buys 250 shares at 4 different prices levels. This is because buying the bottom is near impossible.

Just because 2011 was the worst year in terms of legal hiring, doesn't mean that 2013 won't be any worse. 2014 could be much, much worse. The general sentiment of the past four years has been to buy houses, because home prices have never been so low. Well if you bought three years ago, prices came down two years ago. Then they came down one year ago. And home prices continue to drop today.

The point is, you are likely not buying the bottom by attending Fordham this fall. I mean this as a friendly heads up. In fact, I wouldn't mind attending Fordham at some time in the future, but I'm going to wait for a credible (more than one year) uptrend in the legal market first.[/quote]

while that was a creative analogy, it was also one without significant relevance. the real estate market can not be compared that extensively to law school trends. you have a point, which i in fact conceded in my previous post, however, you are ignoring data (beyond anecdotal evidence) that points to at least a slight up-stick in the legal market for the coming year.[/quote]

And often times a slight up-tick is a great time to put on a massive short position.

Listen. Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk. Just make sure you're going for the right reasons.[/quote]

well ajax, while i appreciate your concern, i am not attending fordham law in the fall (or even basing any law school related decisions) because i think 2011 was a dry spot in associate hiring... if that answers your question.