tooswolle wrote: Gail wrote:
givemea170 wrote:I know they look at other things, but other things are usually too objective to base much on. Good luck on getting in though. What do you really mean bad everything else?
I think its stupid to look at anything else, to be honest. I'm biased about that though.
For one thing. Sure. Maybe someone does have success in business. That requires getting a good job out of college (or any job out of college) in the first place. Something that some people have an advantage on over other people.
Even numbers are subjective, but the LSAT and GPA are so much more merit based than anything else. I know some people fall on the opposite side and wished that they would take soft factors into deeper account, but I don't. I don't see the relevance of bringing in tons of moneys for the company that gave me a job to succeeding in law school.
As far as bad, I could PM you my PS, which wasn't so much badly written as it probably stepped on toes of adcomms. But I also made the mistake of disclosing everything, even when they asked that I not disclose minor traffic tickets. My resume sucks. TTT undergrad. Lots of flaws to pick at. All I had were numbers. Numbers that I worked hard at. I did my best. I wanted it so badly that I effed myself for 2011-2012. I failed.
I said I wouldn't respond to anything else but your point has some validity but not by much. It's true that an LSAT and GPA can predict the likelihood of your success that isnt disputable. The fact of the matter is, that TLS is a microcosm of over achievers. A 158 places an individual in the top 25% of test takers and a score in the 160s is only a difference of a few questions. A 170 is around 15-20 questions wrong. At some point statistical predictors become irrelevant. Work experience is what future employers will look at. The questions they'll ask is if you can get hired and can you produce for them. Furthermore the LSAT and GPA does not take in to account past disadvantages or whether someone had mitigating factors for lower scores in general. To base admissions on only numbers forecloses opportunities on people who could have made a difference in the legal profession. Perhaps younger people don't see how things work, but entitlement doesn't exist anymore. If you're smarter than someone but that other person out hustles you, has more charisma and is competent you're always going to loose out. I really am not looking for a debate with anyone I'm just defending the holistic methodology used by certain schools.
On a cursory glance the correlation between the LSAT and 1L grades the correlation is a .18 which isn't determinant at all of what someone can do....regardless best of luck to all. I know that when I hit law school it'll be a level playing field and I've learned from many things in life.
I've been out of undergrad for a few months.. what kind of good job record could I even have? I'm sure there are many others in a similar boat. As for past disadvantages, adcomms couldn't possible know that kind of stuff. For example, if someone were to spend the time and energy to make up something in their life that was a disadvantage, if it is well-written, it could be successful for them. It isn't like they are going to ask for the proof of the 'death of your best friend' the week during your finals or the week before your LSAT.
That is why, generally speaking, they should look at the concrete statistics and the writing. Nothing else should really matter. It is way too objective, not to mention it could all be complete bullshit.
Great that a 158 got scholarship money at Illinois. That makes me feel really good about my prospects of getting in/getting scholarship money with a 171. That is a substantial difference, and would lead one to believe there was a substantial difference in the level of intelligence between those two particular applicants in all honesty.
I may sound like a jerk, but I just don't believe in excuses like some people like to make. My GPA is low because my junior year my GPA was awful due to some rough emotional times. You won't see me with an essay on an application making excuses though. I should have handled it better and didn't.