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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Bashy » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:38 am

Gail wrote:
EMH99 wrote:Anyone going to the March 23rd Scholar's Day?


Here!


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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:27 am

If you are not in on a scholarship, I wouldn't go here... or anywhere outside of HYS really... maybe T-14. But definitely not here.

Although, I do like the admissions staff, and the OCS is excellent, and great people and great school, cool professors. But law school is too damn expensive for the opportunities it offers you. And I'm not trolling, cause I'm about 90% sure the wake staff know exactly who I am, so this isn't really anonymous.

Oh.. and not bitter student who struck out... doing very well with the whole job thingie...

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby jerichosm » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:39 am

Nicholasnickynic wrote:If you are not in on a scholarship, I wouldn't go here... or anywhere outside of HYS really... maybe T-14. But definitely not here.

Although, I do like the admissions staff, and the OCS is excellent, and great people and great school, cool professors. But law school is too damn expensive for the opportunities it offers you. And I'm not trolling, cause I'm about 90% sure the wake staff know exactly who I am, so this isn't really anonymous.

Oh.. and not bitter student who struck out... doing very well with the whole job thingie...


What about on full-tuition? Worth it then?

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby southernsuperstar » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:54 am

Just withdrew...hopefully one of you can have my spot! Good luck all!!

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Robespierre » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:35 am

Nicholasnickynic wrote:If you are not in on a scholarship, I wouldn't go here... or anywhere outside of HYS really... maybe T-14. But definitely not here.

Although, I do like the admissions staff, and the OCS is excellent, and great people and great school, cool professors. But law school is too damn expensive for the opportunities it offers you. And I'm not trolling, cause I'm about 90% sure the wake staff know exactly who I am, so this isn't really anonymous.

Oh.. and not bitter student who struck out... doing very well with the whole job thingie...


Please look at the "Read This Before Posting in this Forum" thread. Thank you.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Bmarce » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:38 am

Robespierre wrote:
Nicholasnickynic wrote:If you are not in on a scholarship, I wouldn't go here... or anywhere outside of HYS really... maybe T-14. But definitely not here.

Although, I do like the admissions staff, and the OCS is excellent, and great people and great school, cool professors. But law school is too damn expensive for the opportunities it offers you. And I'm not trolling, cause I'm about 90% sure the wake staff know exactly who I am, so this isn't really anonymous.

Oh.. and not bitter student who struck out... doing very well with the whole job thingie...


Please look at the "Read This Before Posting in this Forum" thread. Thank you.


I'll help. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=146613

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:51 pm

so complain to the moderator. This site has really gone down hill since I applied.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby mxmatt137 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:00 pm

jerichosm wrote:
Nicholasnickynic wrote:If you are not in on a scholarship, I wouldn't go here... or anywhere outside of HYS really... maybe T-14. But definitely not here.

Although, I do like the admissions staff, and the OCS is excellent, and great people and great school, cool professors. But law school is too damn expensive for the opportunities it offers you. And I'm not trolling, cause I'm about 90% sure the wake staff know exactly who I am, so this isn't really anonymous.

Oh.. and not bitter student who struck out... doing very well with the whole job thingie...


What about on full-tuition? Worth it then?


I think Nicholasnickynic had good intentions posting here. What he probably means is it is difficult to justify (for most people) the full cost of tuition plus living expenses without either 1)The "guarantee" of a good job post graduation (T14 is your best shot for obvious reasons), or 2) A Scholarship to cover part or all of your tuition expenses.

At the end of the day where you go to school and how you finance your legal education is your choice. Nicholasnickynic was just trying to reiterate that law school is very expensive and, all other things equal, you are better off going to a school that is less expensive.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Mizz » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:06 pm

mxmatt137 wrote: I think Nicholasnickynic had good intentions posting here. What he probably means is it is difficult to justify (for most people) the full cost of tuition plus living expenses without either 1)The "guarantee" of a good job post graduation (T14 is your best shot for obvious reasons), or 2) A Scholarship to cover part or all of your tuition expenses.

At the end of the day where you go to school and how you finance your legal education is your choice. Nicholasnickynic was just trying to reiterate that law school is very expensive and, all other things equal, you are better off going to a school that is less expensive.


Who isn't aware of this already? If this is new information to anyone then they have bigger problems than going to a law school at full cost.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:21 pm

Mizz wrote:
mxmatt137 wrote: I think Nicholasnickynic had good intentions posting here. What he probably means is it is difficult to justify (for most people) the full cost of tuition plus living expenses without either 1)The "guarantee" of a good job post graduation (T14 is your best shot for obvious reasons), or 2) A Scholarship to cover part or all of your tuition expenses.

At the end of the day where you go to school and how you finance your legal education is your choice. Nicholasnickynic was just trying to reiterate that law school is very expensive and, all other things equal, you are better off going to a school that is less expensive.


Who isn't aware of this already? If this is new information to anyone then they have bigger problems than going to a law school at full cost.


If they weren't already aware of this, then they WOULDN'T have bigger problems- as their main problem would be not knowing that going to school at full cost is a bad move. And if you are aware of this, why still go here with out full price?

Ever wonder why, despite the fact that applications for all law schools have gone down heavily for the past 2 years, wake has seen an insane explosion of applications?

For instance, the 1L class this year is bigger than it is supposed to because more people accepted wake's offer than they thought would. You know why?

It's because people are realizing that you are f*cking yourself over if you go to law school at full price. And wake is very generous with their scholarships- hence lots of applications to wake despite overall downward trends in applications to law school.

So if you are on the waiting list (aka not getting a scholarship) you are making a big mistake.

And if you are aware of the costs (165k before interest), why the fuck are you going? You realize about 15% of grads come out making 100k or more? I'm not trashing on wake- thats better than any school in NC (save duke). I'm just saying- wtf are you doing?

And I do have good intentions. If I get banned, I don't really care. As long as I get to one person.

Also, Proof of 15% number: http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... slreturn=1 (and don't tell me there are jobs outside of the top 250 firms that give 100k + starting).
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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Eastcoast77 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:23 pm

Speaking of applications to wake being up etc, will this raise the median for this years class and consequently it's ranking

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:33 pm

Eastcoast77 wrote:Speaking of applications to wake being up etc, will this raise the median for this years class and consequently it's ranking



I would imagine yes, but it depends how well the wake admissions staff is able to deal with all the applications.

Of course, other schools may out and out lie about their #s (villanova, anyone?) so who knows what will happen?



HOWEVER, don't base your decision on which school to attend on the school's ranking. The most important factor is the school's ranking RELATIVE to other schools in the state/ schools from out of the state that sends grads there.

For instance, wake is in the 40s and so is george mason. But in wake you are in one of the top schools in the state. At george mason, you are going against schools like GW, W&L, George town, and all of the t-14, and all the high rankers at various east coast schools. Oh yeah, BU also sends a lot of people to DC.

Which school do you think gives you a better employment chance (hint: wake). If you go to wake, you will be a big dog wherever you go to get employment in NC. If you goto george mason, anywhere you apply to in DC, you will already have a strike against you (as you will be going up against people from yale, harvard, upenn, gw etc).

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:56 pm

jerichosm wrote:
Nicholasnickynic wrote:If you are not in on a scholarship, I wouldn't go here... or anywhere outside of HYS really... maybe T-14. But definitely not here.

Although, I do like the admissions staff, and the OCS is excellent, and great people and great school, cool professors. But law school is too damn expensive for the opportunities it offers you. And I'm not trolling, cause I'm about 90% sure the wake staff know exactly who I am, so this isn't really anonymous.

Oh.. and not bitter student who struck out... doing very well with the whole job thingie...


What about on full-tuition? Worth it then?


If you want to work in NC, then almost certainly yes. Like, 9/10 times yes. I can think of 2 situations in which it might not be a good idea (for someone who wants to practice in NC). And even in those 2 situations, there are still very strong arguments to be made for wake forest.

(I'm assuming here that 1. you got into duke and/or UNC and 2. you want to practice in NC).

Feel free to PM me with your specifics and I can tell you more. And I've interviewed all over the state and know other people who have done the same and I have talked to recent grads etc. And clearly I'm not going to lie to you.
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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby irish1485 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:03 pm

Hey Nicholasnickynic really appreciate the insight and honesty from an actual law student

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:09 pm

irish1485 wrote:Hey Nicholasnickynic really appreciate the insight and honesty from an actual law student


Yup, No problem. If (when?) I get banned from this thread anyone can always PM me with questions. Of course I might get banned from the site for a bit, so it might take a while for me to respond.

For the record, Wake Forest is a great school. I love it. And its great with working with students to get them jobs.

I mean, it places above of its USNWR ranking in terms of getting its student "Biglaw" jobs. (see link I posted earlier). That being said, there is a lot of cost/benefit analysis that should be undertaken.

For some weird reason, I now feel bad for hijacking this thread. So anyone can feel free to PM me.

Peace

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Bmarce » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:41 pm

Nicholasnickynic wrote:so complain to the moderator. This site has really gone down hill since I applied.



And yet you continue to grace us with your presence, Gawd Bless you! To think that, even though you are doing so well with the "Job thingie" you still manage to take sympathy on all us fools. After all, none of us knew that while Wake is a competitive school, its outranked by two other schools in its state, and in the case of Duke, significantly outranked. Nobody on this site knew that law school is very expensive and that the current legal market is awful. Nope, nobody here has even once considered that paying sticker to attend a non T-14 school could be a massive financial mistake. Nope we never considered any of the aforementioned things. Thank you for returning to this site, as it collapses, to inform us.

To be serious, I actually appreciate your opinion, but you will forgive me if I am not utterly compelled to turn down an acceptance based on the word of a single person. Also, I tend to get annoyed when be people ignore rules. Posts of the type that you made simply do not belong in this thread.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby CwallXC322 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:42 pm

Nicholasnickynic wrote:
irish1485 wrote:Hey Nicholasnickynic really appreciate the insight and honesty from an actual law student


Yup, No problem. If (when?) I get banned from this thread anyone can always PM me with questions. Of course I might get banned from the site for a bit, so it might take a while for me to respond.

For the record, Wake Forest is a great school. I love it. And its great with working with students to get them jobs.

I mean, it places above of its USNWR ranking in terms of getting its student "Biglaw" jobs. (see link I posted earlier). That being said, there is a lot of cost/benefit analysis that should be undertaken.

For some weird reason, I now feel bad for hijacking this thread. So anyone can feel free to PM me.

Peace


I'm sure everyone appreciates your honesty, but if you want to talk about why you shouldn't go to law school or why you should go to law school there are specific forums designated for that exact purpose. The 'Law School Acceptance, Denials, and Waitlists' forum was oddly enough created for students to talk about acceptances, denials, and waitlists. If you want a dose of reality, go to 'choosing a law school'. The people in there will delighted to tell you that you have no chance at big law and that you're wasting your money if you don't go to a t-14. I don't mean to be a stickler about this but I come into this forum to listen to other peoples acceptance stories, not for people to lecture me about how terrible the job market is. There are forum rules, and if you don't like 'the rules' then maybe law isn't your cup of tea.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:46 pm

CwallXC322 wrote:
Nicholasnickynic wrote:
irish1485 wrote:Hey Nicholasnickynic really appreciate the insight and honesty from an actual law student


Yup, No problem. If (when?) I get banned from this thread anyone can always PM me with questions. Of course I might get banned from the site for a bit, so it might take a while for me to respond.

For the record, Wake Forest is a great school. I love it. And its great with working with students to get them jobs.

I mean, it places above of its USNWR ranking in terms of getting its student "Biglaw" jobs. (see link I posted earlier). That being said, there is a lot of cost/benefit analysis that should be undertaken.

For some weird reason, I now feel bad for hijacking this thread. So anyone can feel free to PM me.

Peace


I'm sure everyone appreciates your honesty, but if you want to talk about why you shouldn't go to law school or why you should go to law school there are specific forums designated for that exact purpose. The 'Law School Acceptance, Denials, and Waitlists' forum was oddly enough created for students to talk about acceptances, denials, and waitlists. If you want a dose of reality, go to 'choosing a law school'. The people in there will delighted to tell you that you have no chance at big law and that you're wasting your money if you don't go to a t-14. I don't mean to be a stickler about this but I come into this forum to listen to other peoples acceptance stories, not for people to lecture me about how terrible the job market is. There are forum rules, and if you don't like 'the rules' then maybe law isn't your cup of tea.


1. 0L telling others whether the law is their cup of tea= lol
2. People have already posted what you posted (much more succinctly). Therefore what you have written is redundant and useless, and also
3. Hypocritical, as you yourself are writing off topic

PS, law is NOT about following rules.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby irish1485 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:49 pm

It's not like he's bashing the school. People should WANT current students to offer their honest opinions about the current state of the job market

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby alwayslovely » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:52 pm

Well umm... yeah. Awkward... Anyone going to the March 2nd ASD?

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Mizz » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:52 pm

Nicholasnickynic wrote: If they weren't already aware of this, then they WOULDN'T have bigger problems- as their main problem would be not knowing that going to school at full cost is a bad move. And if you are aware of this, why still go here with out full price?


My point is that if they weren't already aware of this and they are blindly entering into large amounts of debt without understanding the realities they are much worse off than if they decide to do it being well-informed with an understanding of their chances at jobs/salaries/area of placement etc.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby dailygrind » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:54 pm

Well, you knew it was coming. I encourage anyone in this thread who's interested in asking a law student about the pros and cons of Wake Forest to start a thread in the Ask a Law Student / Graduate subforum. Nicholasnickynic can take your questions there when he gets back.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby irish1485 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:56 pm

alwayslovely wrote:Well umm... yeah. Awkward... Anyone going to the March 2nd ASD?


Yea I was finally able to get off work I'll be there

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby CwallXC322 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:58 pm

Admits tomorrow? Or another round of Rejects and WLs? I bet we'll get admits thru 1/5

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby ashley12 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:08 pm

CwallXC322 wrote:Admits tomorrow? Or another round of Rejects and WLs? I bet we'll get admits thru 1/5


I don't know what to think anymore. I just saw that I am under review again (3rd time) so I am hoping tomorrow!




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