Wake Forest 2012

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby tolson1 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:53 am

Under review 1/20.. Praying for the best :) WF = top choice!

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby biguncled » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:54 am

el William wrote:Hi all,

This is my first time posting on TLS, but I am addicted to reading the what are my chances threads and reading about who's getting in where.

My wake app went complete on 1/9, anybody else in the same boat?

I am hoping that I will be competitive for Wake ( with some $$ too?). I have a 162 and a 3.4lsac GPA, but my GPA gets dragged down by a bad first year in 2003. I graduated last may with a 3.9 from the Guilford College, so I am hoping they weigh that in my favor. My last 80+ hours were at a 3.9 so that should help right?

Any thoughts....?


I'm pretty much exactly with you, in terms of LSAT / GPA (3.41 LSAC GPA, which is all that matters btw). Only thing on my side is I have a good deal of work experience AND a Master's degree, so that tips me a bit over the typical undergraduate. I actually was visiting my girlfriend in NC and ended up going over to Wake for a tour and talk with the staff. Pretty much you and I fall in the median, so it's up in the air, the only problem is (as the Dean mentioned) applications are UP 35% and we applied a bit "later" in the cycle, so our chances of acceptance as lower than if we moved on this in November or December. (For me this wasn't an option, as I took the December LSAT).

Based on my chat with the admissions staff, it's pretty much up to the discretion of the committee, given our median scores / grades, and your file should be reviewed in the next week or two with a decision in 2 - 3 weeks. Hope that helps!

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby el William » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:37 am

That really does help. Its just nice to hear from some people who a in the situation as me.

I realize that LSAT and GPA are the most important factors, but I am hoping some of the other factors in my app help to set me apart. I feel like I wrote a strong personal statement, have great LORs, and have some good work experience that should set me apart. I am older than most applicants (27) and I have 7+ years of full time work experience including working full time for 5 years while completing my bachelors. Hopefully some of this will swing things in my favor, but the increase in apps is definitely making me nervous...

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby BlueJeanBaby » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:45 am

el William wrote:That really does help. Its just nice to hear from some people who a in the situation as me.

I realize that LSAT and GPA are the most important factors, but I am hoping some of the other factors in my app help to set me apart. I feel like I wrote a strong personal statement, have great LORs, and have some good work experience that should set me apart. I am older than most applicants (27) and I have 7+ years of full time work experience including working full time for 5 years while completing my bachelors. Hopefully some of this will swing things in my favor, but the increase in apps is definitely making me nervous...


From everything I've gathered, relevant work experience can be helpful (if you were looking in a law firm/environment) but mostly being a few years removed from your GPA can compensate just a bit for a lower GPA :). Don't count much on your PS/ LORs... they matter so little AND almost everyone has good ones.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby goldeneye » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:32 pm

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby tstyler98 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:52 pm

el William wrote:That really does help. Its just nice to hear from some people who a in the situation as me.

I realize that LSAT and GPA are the most important factors, but I am hoping some of the other factors in my app help to set me apart. I feel like I wrote a strong personal statement, have great LORs, and have some good work experience that should set me apart. I am older than most applicants (27) and I have 7+ years of full time work experience including working full time for 5 years while completing my bachelors. Hopefully some of this will swing things in my favor, but the increase in apps is definitely making me nervous...


You're on the lower end of the older people at Wake. I'm a 2L and 31. More than half the class is right out of undergrad or only a year or two out. The rest range from early 40's to upper 20's. While I can't guarantee you'll get in, having real work experience is a plus. While numbers are important, the office doesn't want each class to have people that are all alike. Good luck!

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby jaysgirl42671 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:52 am

Ooo, under review as of today. Really nervous now!!

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby ashley12 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:57 am

jaysgirl42671 wrote:Ooo, under review as of today. Really nervous now!!


I would save your anxiety for later, otherwise you aren't going to make it through the cycle. A ton of people have been UR since November and still haven't gotten a decision.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby YankeeFan2 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:06 am

ashley12 wrote:
jaysgirl42671 wrote:Ooo, under review as of today. Really nervous now!!


I would save your anxiety for later, otherwise you aren't going to make it through the cycle. A ton of people have been UR since November and still haven't gotten a decision.


+1

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby jaysgirl42671 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:10 am

Yeah, I've been keeping up with this thread, so I'm definitely not holding my breath. But it's definitely nice to have SOME kind of movement after none of my apps have progressed in a while.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby ashley12 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:52 am

jaysgirl42671 wrote:Yeah, I've been keeping up with this thread, so I'm definitely not holding my breath. But it's definitely nice to have SOME kind of movement after none of my apps have progressed in a while.


It's always a good feeling to know you aren't forgotten!!

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Bashy » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:28 pm

ashley12 wrote:
jaysgirl42671 wrote:Yeah, I've been keeping up with this thread, so I'm definitely not holding my breath. But it's definitely nice to have SOME kind of movement after none of my apps have progressed in a while.


It's always a good feeling to know you aren't forgotten!!


Cue angry looks at UNC/W&M...

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby WakeLawAdmDean » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:37 pm

Greetings TLSers~

As promised some thoughts on Scholarship Negotiation...

In regard to adjusting scholarship awards there are some truths you should know and some very straightforward policies I adhere to in my consideration. As a general rule we don't increase awards. We spend a great deal of time establishing an effective and appropriate scholarship strategy to meet our institutional goals and while I understand each applicant views this through their own lens and for their own individual benefit, I am focused on the big picture. Keep this in mind as you communicate with schools about scholarships, especially if you are asking for an increase.

It's important for applicants to know that at any given time we have many multiples of our scholarship budget out in offers. So, if your roommate withdraws it doesn't mean his $20,000 scholarship is up for grabs and available to be awarded. Part of the analysis we do in determining yields is to determine what we can award and still stay in budget. We might at any given time have ten times our budget out in offers. So even though we know we're the perfect school for many of you, we're counting on the fact that some of you are going to decide your educational goals will be better met at another institution.

In terms of our policies applicants should know that we won't engage in hypothetical negotiation of scholarship packages. If you are going to ask a school to increase your award, get ready to be specific. Be prepared to provide copies of letters of admission and scholarship offers from whatever other schools you think might be impactful in the consideration process. Schools generally are not willing to adjust their awards for schools they don't consider to be peer institutions. If an otherwise great school with a reputation we consider to be less than ours offers you a full ride, it's unlikely that we'll adjust our award in response to that offer. It's possible, but unlikely. I won't be offended if you make the case, but I hope you won't be offended if I respond in the negative to your request.

Despite our policy regarding lesser regarded schools at the end of the day it's impossible to put a value on something like rank or location. There are too many factors which impact whether a particular school, regardless of rank, will increase your chances of long term success that we leave that valuation to you. Our scholarship process can't account for your getting into a school 10 or 12 or 6 or 20 spots higher than us on the US News ranking. We also can't account for whether living in LA or Boston will improve your chances of landing the job you want. The fact is lawyers from Wake are successful at all levels in all kinds of jobs in legal markets all across the country. We think our community is right for many students and our history supports that belief.

Do your homework. As you make the case for a scholarship increase, make sure you do some basic analysis of your own and prepare a convincing case. Be sure to compare total cost of attendance at the schools you present as alternatives. If you tell me you got $60,000 more in scholarship money to go to a school in NYC or DC, make sure you've accounted for the increased cost of living in those cities. Among the many benefits of being in a smaller legal market Wake Law and Winston Salem offer a very reasonable cost of living which positively impacts your overall budget for law school and may seriously offset a somewhat higher scholarship award at another school. But you should also know that it’s difficult for us to justify making scholarship increases because of personal situations like living with relatives (which never works out for all three years of law school by the way).

We avoid engaging in negotiation of scholarships with students who haven't taken the time to consider where they want to be based on factors other than rank or location. If you haven't visited my school or at least spent time talking with my office, our students, faculty, or alumni, I can't take your interest for scholarship purposes seriously. What's your connection to Wake if you've never been here? I've found it historically unproductive to engage in the discussion of scholarship adjustment with students who haven't narrowed down their options to include Wake Law in at worst their top two or three schools. Thus, to discuss in January adjusting scholarships when candidates haven't even received the bulk of their decisions doesn't seem wise.

Be prepared to commit. More often than not if I decide to offer an adjustment to a scholarship award it will be conditioned on the candidate accepting the offer by withdrawing other offers of admission. (Beginning in June most schools have lists of students by name who have seat deposits at multiple schools. So, we'll know whether candidates honor their commitment to withdraw in these cases.)

Be nice. No applicant is entitled to a scholarship. If a school, no matter how they rank, is offering you money, be grateful and gracious. Schools aren’t trying to patronize or offend anyone with a scholarship offer. Many of you have a range of options. An offer of admission in this volatile and competitive market should be viewed as an honor. Any adjustments I have made in the past were for folks who handled the topic appropriately. Still sometimes schools do make mistakes and if you receive a scholarship significantly lower than you expected, I encourage you to go through the trouble of providing all the information we might need to make an adjustment. Please do so in the right spirit and only if the offer is going to make a difference.

The ideal candidate for a scholarship adjustment has taken the time to get to know Wake by visiting campus and engaging in the opportunities we provide to understand what makes us unique. That candidate has narrowed us down to their top choices and can convincingly show that but for financial considerations they would choose Wake Law. They've done so by providing copies of their other offer letters, including scholarship offers and terms for renewal. We'll have already communicated to discuss their interest in Wake Law. The ideal candidate for a scholarship adjustment and the one with the best chance of receiving a positive outcome will also have shown serious contemplation of their choice and a readiness to withdraw other applications if Wake is able to adjust their scholarship to a financially acceptable level. For these reasons it would be rare for any adjustment to occur before a campus visit or open house dates have passed.

Our goal based on the information we have and our institutional directives, is to make a financially reasonable, even an attractive offer from the outset to avoid a need for further negotiation. We’re not hiding the ball or trying to get off cheap. Our offers are well considered and based on years of analysis.

I hope this has been helpful I realize it is somewhat rambling. I’ve been very focused on reading files but I wanted to at least provide some thoughts on the process so that you could ask questions. These thoughts while not reflective of scholarship policies at all schools are relevant to the question at most schools. Please feel free to send follow up questions to me via email or PM and I’ll post a follow up response to clarify anything glaring, if necessary.

Warm regards,
Jay Shively
Dean for Admissions and Financial Aid
Wake Forest University | School of Law
(336) 758-5705 direct
jayshively@gmail.com
shivelrj@wfu.edu
http://www.law.wfu.edu

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Bashy » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:45 pm

Extremely helpful, as always. Thanks, Dean.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby h2oplyer7 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:13 pm

I am loving this dean! How great that he is on this website. I went into review today. Let the nervous energy commence.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby ash0117 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:48 pm

I visited today. It was absolutely beautiful. Everything was new and clean. The facilities were not huge, but they were more than adequate for the small student population. I loved the people and the atmosphere. When I figure out how to post pics I will. Wake is officially my top choice.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Gail » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:08 pm

Wake Forest is looking so attractive right now. Wish I had the time/money to go down for a real visit this Spring (looking at you Undergrad tests/Employment conference :evil:)

I have family around and familiar with the area. It sounds like COL is rock bottom.


Does WF provide housing information. I'm almost ready to pack my bags now. :mrgreen:

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby dolfan0516 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:52 pm

ash0117 wrote:I visited today. It was absolutely beautiful. Everything was new and clean. The facilities were not huge, but they were more than adequate for the small student population. I loved the people and the atmosphere. When I figure out how to post pics I will. Wake is officially my top choice.


Please please post pictures.

You need to first upload them to a host, imgur.com is a good, easy one. Then use the URL it gives you for each pic and put that URL in the middle of [img*][/img*] (without the stars) on this board.

Also, notice youre from FL, mind sharing what school?

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby tstyler98 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:53 pm

Gail wrote:Wake Forest is looking so attractive right now. Wish I had the time/money to go down for a real visit this Spring (looking at you Undergrad tests/Employment conference :evil:)

I have family around and familiar with the area. It sounds like COL is rock bottom.


Does WF provide housing information. I'm almost ready to pack my bags now. :mrgreen:


There will be a housing list on the Wake website sometime in the late Spring. There is also House Hunt in June, which is a lot of fun and great for meeting people even if you already know where you are living.

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby ash0117 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:14 pm

I'm going to look at several apartment complexes tomorrow. I'll review them for you guys tomorrow and post pictures as well. Winston- Salem has been an amazing experience so far!

Also, I am from a university in Ft. [deleted]. There is only one university there so you can prolly figure it out :)

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby dolfan0516 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:23 pm

ash0117 wrote:I'm going to look at several apartment complexes tomorrow. I'll review them for you guys tomorrow and post pictures as well. Winston- Salem has been an amazing experience so far!

Also, I am from a university in Ft. [deleted]. There is only one university there so you can prolly figure it out :)


Awesome, thanks!

And you mean to say you go to Rasmussen College? Lol kidding. I ask cause I go to the place thats in The Swamp

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby ash0117 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:37 pm

dolfan0516 wrote:
ash0117 wrote:I'm going to look at several apartment complexes tomorrow. I'll review them for you guys tomorrow and post pictures as well. Winston- Salem has been an amazing experience so far!

Also, I am from a university in Ft. [deleted]. There is only one university there so you can prolly figure it out :)


Awesome, thanks!

And you mean to say you go to Rasmussen College? Lol kidding. I ask cause I go to the place thats in The Swamp


Haha, I think I may have heard of that school. I'm a fan of that football team :)

So, why an interest in Wake? No UF or FSU (gasp!!!)

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby johnpizzo » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:53 pm

I wish everyone on here the best of luck. Wake Forest is a top choice for me. I have family in NC and it is a wonderful place with awesome, friendly people. I plan on moving there for school (fingers crossed for WFU) or after school. My application is in and although I'm a splitter and a bit of an odd applicant I hope for some kind consideration on other factors.

Dean Shively - it is great that you come on here and shed a little light for us incredibly stressed hopefuls!! Thank you.

Taking the LSAT again in Feb. hoping for some improvement. :)

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby el William » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:45 pm

Hey TLSers,

Glad to hear that people are enjoying their visits to Wake and seeing what a great city W-S is. I am a Long time Winston resident, applying to Wake and keeping my fingers crossed because it's definitely my top choice.

If anyone has questions about W-S, housing, things to do etc... Let me know. I have been here since I was 10, and I would be happy to provide whatever info I can

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Re: Wake Forest 2012

Postby Dislaw » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:56 pm

ash0117 wrote:
dolfan0516 wrote:
ash0117 wrote:I'm going to look at several apartment complexes tomorrow. I'll review them for you guys tomorrow and post pictures as well. Winston- Salem has been an amazing experience so far!

Also, I am from a university in Ft. [deleted]. There is only one university there so you can prolly figure it out :)


Awesome, thanks!

And you mean to say you go to Rasmussen College? Lol kidding. I ask cause I go to the place thats in The Swamp


Haha, I think I may have heard of that school. I'm a fan of that football team :)

So, why an interest in Wake? No UF or FSU (gasp!!!)


Good to see some other Florida folks here. Too bad you're rooting for the wrong team. Go Bulls.




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