William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby franklyscarlet » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:35 am

Holy double post, batman.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby topper10s » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:50 am

jasonxu89 wrote:Congrats! Did they mention money in your email? Mine didn't.... By the way, the email is really early today, 7ish CDT.


No mention in the email. I'm living abroad now and they are shipping my packet to me. Nice of them considering that's a bit more expensive.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby MiamiOxford » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:53 am

Congrats to all accepted! If you received any scholly info, it will not be in the email or phone call, but it will be in the admit package they mail to you. It seems like they have been pretty gracious with the money this cycle.. :D

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby T00L » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:10 am

Anyone know if scholly offers in acceptance letters are final? Can more come later in the cycle? With or without bargaining?

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby jcruz1 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:04 pm

Surprise! Accepted via email this morning.
Went complete 11/02.
2.63/165, non(?)-URM Pac Islander.

Seriously, seriously surprised.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby UnamSanctam » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:07 pm

jcruz1 wrote:Surprise! Accepted via email this morning.
Went complete 11/02.
2.63/165, non(?)-URM Pac Islander.

Seriously, seriously surprised.


Wow, congrats!

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby BigBlueLaw » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:34 pm

T00L wrote:Anyone know if scholly offers in acceptance letters are final? Can more come later in the cycle? With or without bargaining?

Yes. Normally you'll have to try to bargain but there are some that get it anyway.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ThreeRivers » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:36 pm

jcruz1 wrote:Surprise! Accepted via email this morning.
Went complete 11/02.
2.63/165, non(?)-URM Pac Islander.

Seriously, seriously surprised.

Wow, congrats. I'm guessing you have some amazing softs?

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby butchcassidy » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:39 am

Anybody have a guess as to how they do scholarship money? I got 36K and people with my same exact stats are getting twice as much. What gives?

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby jbabs » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:58 am

butchcassidy wrote:Anybody have a guess as to how they do scholarship money? I got 36K and people with my same exact stats are getting twice as much. What gives?


If you're a VA resident, some of that might be from the graduate fellowships offered to OOS applicants ($14,000/yr), since instate students aren't eligible.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ds52075 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:59 am

jbabs wrote:
butchcassidy wrote:Anybody have a guess as to how they do scholarship money? I got 36K and people with my same exact stats are getting twice as much. What gives?


If you're a VA resident, some of that might be from the graduate fellowships offered to OOS applicants ($14,000/yr), since instate students aren't eligible.



Speaking of the fellowships, does anyone know if submitting an essay to the fellowship increases the amount of time it takes to process your app? I wrote one for the Institute of Bill of Rights Law and haven't heard anything since going complete in early November. Has anyone else applied to a fellowship?

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby minnbills » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:58 am

butchcassidy wrote:Anybody have a guess as to how they do scholarship money? I got 36K and people with my same exact stats are getting twice as much. What gives?


Yeah a few people with similar #s got twice as much, I was disappointed.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ThreeRivers » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:01 am

minnbills wrote:
butchcassidy wrote:Anybody have a guess as to how they do scholarship money? I got 36K and people with my same exact stats are getting twice as much. What gives?


Yeah a few people with similar #s got twice as much, I was disappointed.

That's surprising to me.... I always thought LS's could be impressed by varying factors and that explains some surprising admits / denials, but I also thought scholly was pretty much just based on combo of when you submitted / numbers

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby tennisking88 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:04 am

That's because this forum fetishizes numbers above anything else

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ThreeRivers » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:11 am

tennisking88 wrote:That's because this forum fetishizes numbers above anything else

and facts back that up lol

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ThreeRivers » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:16 am

ThreeRivers wrote:
tennisking88 wrote:That's because this forum fetishizes numbers above anything else

and facts back that up lol

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Lol if you don't see how important numbers / almost all of the semi-surprising admits are URM

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby EMZE » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:21 am

ThreeRivers wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:
tennisking88 wrote:That's because this forum fetishizes numbers above anything else

and facts back that up lol


Lol if you don't see how important numbers / almost all of the semi-surprising admits are URM


Numbers are definitely important. But TLS does suffer from a self-selecting bias. I know non URM admits that were below medians at schools and were admitted against all odds. People that TLS would say have no chance. Granted, these people had good softs, but TLS suggests softs are mostly irrelevant and do not bridge gaps the way that these admits would.

If you want an example suitable for this thread, a good friend of mine was admitted to W&M last year with 3.4/161. Early in the cycle as well. Not a day on the waitlist. And was even WL'd at UVA until he withdrew.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ThreeRivers » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:22 am

EMZE wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:
tennisking88 wrote:That's because this forum fetishizes numbers above anything else

and facts back that up lol


Lol if you don't see how important numbers / almost all of the semi-surprising admits are URM


Numbers are definitely important. But TLS does suffer from a self-selecting bias. I know non URM admits that were below medians at schools and were admitted against all odds. People that TLS would say have no chance. Granted, these people had good softs, but TLS suggests softs are mostly irrelevant and do not bridge gaps the way that these admits would.

If you want an example suitable for this thread, a good friend of mine was admitted to W&M last year with 3.4/161. Early in the cycle as well. Not a day on the waitlist. And was even WL'd at UVA until he withdrew.

There are always exceptions / chances that a school will somehow fall in love with your little story. I think most TLSers are aware of this / is the reason applying to a couple reaches because you "never know" is an encouraged practice

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby EMZE » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:28 am

ThreeRivers wrote:
EMZE wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:and facts back that up lol


Lol if you don't see how important numbers / almost all of the semi-surprising admits are URM


Numbers are definitely important. But TLS does suffer from a self-selecting bias. I know non URM admits that were below medians at schools and were admitted against all odds. People that TLS would say have no chance. Granted, these people had good softs, but TLS suggests softs are mostly irrelevant and do not bridge gaps the way that these admits would.

If you want an example suitable for this thread, a good friend of mine was admitted to W&M last year with 3.4/161. Early in the cycle as well. Not a day on the waitlist. And was even WL'd at UVA until he withdrew.

There are always exceptions / chances that a school will somehow fall in love with your little story. I think most TLSers are aware of this / is the reason applying to a couple reaches because you "never know" is an encouraged practice


Agreed. Like I said, numbers are always important, because a school will not forgive what it perceives as a person not able to keep up with the class. And below both median admits are, obviously, exceptions. I think people just need to be honest with themselves as to what a good soft is. Internships, working as a paralegal, MBA are all good things that solidify an application, but they aren't unique. In my case, military experience is not unique. What matters is distinguishing yourself within your field. Also, obviously much harder to do if applying from undergrad, short of a one of those prestigious scholarships deals.

Anyway, good luck to all.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ThreeRivers » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:41 am

Yea, I have none of even those alright things lol

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby 20130312 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:46 am

EMZE wrote:And below both median admits are, obviously, exceptions


Or, by definition, half the class.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:51 am

InGoodFaith wrote:
EMZE wrote:And below both median admits are, obviously, exceptions


Or, by definition, half the class.


Fallacy... Half the class is below the LSAT median and half the class is below the GPA median, but that does not mean half the class is below both.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby mijenks » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:52 am

InGoodFaith wrote:
EMZE wrote:And below both median admits are, obviously, exceptions


Or, by definition, half the class.


Nope.

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby DonnaDraper » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:53 am

InGoodFaith wrote:
EMZE wrote:And below both median admits are, obviously, exceptions


Or, by definition, half the class.


From what i understand the people who fall below medians either have URMs status or are splitters who make up for it by being at or above another median. Falling below BOTH medians as a non-URM I would agree is pretty rare.

Edit: scooped

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Re: William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle)

Postby 20130312 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:56 am

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:
EMZE wrote:And below both median admits are, obviously, exceptions


Or, by definition, half the class.


Fallacy... Half the class is below the LSAT median and half the class is below the GPA median, but that does not mean half the class is below both.


Nice catch.




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