William and Mary c/o 2015 (2011-2012 Cycle) Forum

[tennisking88]

Am I missing something on the drop in ranking? I'm still trying to decide where to go and was accepted to W&L and W&M, but over all W&M still seems like the better option after looking at the data used for the ranking:

W&M W&L
LSAT: 161-166 159-165
GPA: 3.46-3.82 3.5-3.8
Accept. %: 22% 24.3%
L&J Score: 3.9 3.9
Employ 9 m: 86.9 90.2
Eploy Grad: 73.8 89.4
Bar Pass: 91.7 72.1 (Statewide %: 77.4)

This says to me that W&L's employment numbers boosts them above W&M and all else goes to W&M as a win. But I would hope percentage wise W&L is higher because they have half as many people. Looking at attendance numbers, W&M placed an estimated 66 more students into jobs, which means bigger alumni network to me. Plus when you graduate at W&L it looks like you don't know enough to even pass the bar.

This jump in rank just seems odd to me. Being orginally from VA and having several friends who are practicing attorneys in the state, the general consensus has always been UVA>W&M>W&L.

You are missing the 40% of the ranking that is based on prestige and peer-assessment.

And, also being from VA, WM/WL have always been peer schools, with WL being ranked higher for all but 3 years of US News' rankings.

EDIT: BIGGER alumni support network doesn't mean better. WL has one of the smallest, but most supportive, in the country.

[SPE155]

Am I missing something on the drop in ranking? I'm still trying to decide where to go and was accepted to W&L and W&M, but over all W&M still seems like the better option after looking at the data used for the ranking:

W&M W&L
LSAT: 161-166 159-165
GPA: 3.46-3.82 3.5-3.8
Accept. %: 22% 24.3%
L&J Score: 3.9 3.9
Employ 9 m: 86.9 90.2
Eploy Grad: 73.8 89.4
Bar Pass: 91.7 72.1 (Statewide %: 77.4)

This says to me that W&L's employment numbers boosts them above W&M and all else goes to W&M as a win. But I would hope percentage wise W&L is higher because they have half as many people. Looking at attendance numbers, W&M placed an estimated 66 more students into jobs, which means bigger alumni network to me. Plus when you graduate at W&L it looks like you don't know enough to even pass the bar.

This jump in rank just seems odd to me. Being orginally from VA and having several friends who are practicing attorneys in the state, the general consensus has always been UVA>W&M>W&L.

When were those bar #s from? From my research W&L's first time bar passage rate in VA in July 2011 was 95.83%, higher than UVA. I don't think Feb 2012 has been released yet.

They are the numbers being used in the latest USNWR ranking, so I assume 2011. However, I doubt there rate is actually 95.83%. According to people I have spoken to (recent law grads), the reason for the low bar passage rate is the 3L program at W&L. It supposedly does not allow time for a couple much needed classes if taking the VA bar.

[SPE155]

Am I missing something on the drop in ranking? I'm still trying to decide where to go and was accepted to W&L and W&M, but over all W&M still seems like the better option after looking at the data used for the ranking:

W&M W&L
LSAT: 161-166 159-165
GPA: 3.46-3.82 3.5-3.8
Accept. %: 22% 24.3%
L&J Score: 3.9 3.9
Employ 9 m: 86.9 90.2
Eploy Grad: 73.8 89.4
Bar Pass: 91.7 72.1 (Statewide %: 77.4)

This says to me that W&L's employment numbers boosts them above W&M and all else goes to W&M as a win. But I would hope percentage wise W&L is higher because they have half as many people. Looking at attendance numbers, W&M placed an estimated 66 more students into jobs, which means bigger alumni network to me. Plus when you graduate at W&L it looks like you don't know enough to even pass the bar.

This jump in rank just seems odd to me. Being orginally from VA and having several friends who are practicing attorneys in the state, the general consensus has always been UVA>W&M>W&L.

You are missing the 40% of the ranking that is based on prestige and peer-assessment.

And, also being from VA, WM/WL have always been peer schools, with WL being ranked higher for all but 3 years of US News' rankings.

EDIT: BIGGER alumni support network doesn't mean better. WL has one of the smallest, but most supportive, in the country.

W&M and W&L have the exact same score among lawyers and judges, 3.9.

[wvu]

Am I missing something on the drop in ranking? I'm still trying to decide where to go and was accepted to W&L and W&M, but over all W&M still seems like the better option after looking at the data used for the ranking:

W&M W&L
LSAT: 161-166 159-165
GPA: 3.46-3.82 3.5-3.8
Accept. %: 22% 24.3%
L&J Score: 3.9 3.9
Employ 9 m: 86.9 90.2
Eploy Grad: 73.8 89.4
Bar Pass: 91.7 72.1 (Statewide %: 77.4)

This says to me that W&L's employment numbers boosts them above W&M and all else goes to W&M as a win. But I would hope percentage wise W&L is higher because they have half as many people. Looking at attendance numbers, W&M placed an estimated 66 more students into jobs, which means bigger alumni network to me. Plus when you graduate at W&L it looks like you don't know enough to even pass the bar.

This jump in rank just seems odd to me. Being orginally from VA and having several friends who are practicing attorneys in the state, the general consensus has always been UVA>W&M>W&L.

When were those bar #s from? From my research W&L's first time bar passage rate in VA in July 2011 was 95.83%, higher than UVA. I don't think Feb 2012 has been released yet.

They are the numbers being used in the latest USNWR ranking, so I assume 2011. However, I doubt there rate is actually 95.83%. According to people I have spoken to (recent law grads), the reason for the low bar passage rate is the 3L program at W&L. It supposedly does not allow time for a couple much needed classes if taking the VA bar.

Don't know what you're implying, since that % comes from the VA bar examiners. So I'm more confused about where 70% came from. First I suppose they include all test takers, not just first time, but W&L's class size being smaller also means 1 failure has a bigger impact.

[tennisking88]

Am I missing something on the drop in ranking? I'm still trying to decide where to go and was accepted to W&L and W&M, but over all W&M still seems like the better option after looking at the data used for the ranking:

W&M W&L
LSAT: 161-166 159-165
GPA: 3.46-3.82 3.5-3.8
Accept. %: 22% 24.3%
L&J Score: 3.9 3.9
Employ 9 m: 86.9 90.2
Eploy Grad: 73.8 89.4
Bar Pass: 91.7 72.1 (Statewide %: 77.4)

This says to me that W&L's employment numbers boosts them above W&M and all else goes to W&M as a win. But I would hope percentage wise W&L is higher because they have half as many people. Looking at attendance numbers, W&M placed an estimated 66 more students into jobs, which means bigger alumni network to me. Plus when you graduate at W&L it looks like you don't know enough to even pass the bar.

This jump in rank just seems odd to me. Being orginally from VA and having several friends who are practicing attorneys in the state, the general consensus has always been UVA>W&M>W&L.

WL's medians (164/3.65) were barely below WM's (165/3.7), to the point where the differences in employment could have easily surpassed WM's advantages.

Edit: my point is that they're peer schools catering to the same markets. the fact that one is ranked 9 spots above the other speaks more to the retarded rankings system than the schools.

[SPE155]

Am I missing something on the drop in ranking? I'm still trying to decide where to go and was accepted to W&L and W&M, but over all W&M still seems like the better option after looking at the data used for the ranking:

W&M W&L
LSAT: 161-166 159-165
GPA: 3.46-3.82 3.5-3.8
Accept. %: 22% 24.3%
L&J Score: 3.9 3.9
Employ 9 m: 86.9 90.2
Eploy Grad: 73.8 89.4
Bar Pass: 91.7 72.1 (Statewide %: 77.4)

This says to me that W&L's employment numbers boosts them above W&M and all else goes to W&M as a win. But I would hope percentage wise W&L is higher because they have half as many people. Looking at attendance numbers, W&M placed an estimated 66 more students into jobs, which means bigger alumni network to me. Plus when you graduate at W&L it looks like you don't know enough to even pass the bar.

This jump in rank just seems odd to me. Being orginally from VA and having several friends who are practicing attorneys in the state, the general consensus has always been UVA>W&M>W&L.

When were those bar #s from? From my research W&L's first time bar passage rate in VA in July 2011 was 95.83%, higher than UVA. I don't think Feb 2012 has been released yet.

They are the numbers being used in the latest USNWR ranking, so I assume 2011. However, I doubt there rate is actually 95.83%. According to people I have spoken to (recent law grads), the reason for the low bar passage rate is the 3L program at W&L. It supposedly does not allow time for a couple much needed classes if taking the VA bar.

Don't know what you're implying, since that % comes from the VA bar examiners. So I'm more confused about where 70% came from. First I suppose they include all test takers, not just first time, but W&L's class size being smaller also means 1 failure has a bigger impact.

The 72.1% bar passage rate is only first time takers.

[wvu]

Weird. I don't pretend to understand USNWR rankings.

[anjmissy]

Where are you all getting the bar passage info from, because last time I checked w&l has the highest in the state --LinkRemoved--

[NoleGirl12]

keep in mind everyone that W&M for the July 2011 bar exam had a 92.6% pass rate while W&L had a 72.7% but in February of that year W&L had a 90% and W&M 73%.

So, honestly it about equals out as far as I can see.


http://regentlawnews.blogspot.com/2011/ ... 57-in.html
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[NoleGirl12]

keep in mind everyone that W&M for the July 2011 bar exam had a 92.6% pass rate while W&L had a 72.7% but in February of that year W&L had a 90% and W&M 73%.

So, honestly it about equals out as far as I can see.


http://regentlawnews.blogspot.com/2011/ ... 57-in.html
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But the link about me shows contradicting result to what i just posted, so idk. i think it about equals out still, b/c of the ebb and flow of different test dates.

[SPE155]

Where are you all getting the bar passage info from, because last time I checked w&l has the highest in the state --LinkRemoved--

I know it runs contrary to the link above, but it was the percent in the latest USNWR ranking. Can't say for sure its accurate, but it is what's reported.

[Jsa725]

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[DMBFan]

Current 1L here. If anyone has questions about W&M in general or specifically about the USNWR, please feel free to PM me.

[fakemoney]

Just got email from W&M telling me my app is complete.... Dammit I want an acceptance email!

"Dear Jsa725:

I am pleased to inform you that your application to William & Mary Law School is complete."

...f-ing heart skipped a beat

Ugh... sorry about the false alarm. I am glad to see that they're working over there, though.

[Comoncents]

Just got email from W&M telling me my app is complete.... Dammit I want an acceptance email!

"Dear Jsa725:

I am pleased to inform you that your application to William & Mary Law School is complete."

...f-ing heart skipped a beat

Ugh... sorry about the false alarm. I am glad to see that they're working over there, though.

When W&M; WHEN!

[Jsa725]

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[AndShe__Was]

For people who have visited the school, did you get a chance to visit the gradplex?

[mjones95]

In today via email! What a huge relief. 164/3.86 GPA.

[CwallXC322]

In today via email! What a huge relief. 164/3.86 GPA.

Congratulations! Did your status checker change?

[Jsa725]

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[mjones95]

In today via email! What a huge relief. 164/3.86 GPA.

Congratulations! Did your status checker change?

Congrats!! Yeah, what's the deal? Mine just says " complete/will send decision by april 1"

Mine says the same thing, status checker didn't change.

[mrjohnsterman]

In today via email! What a huge relief. 164/3.86 GPA.

Congratulations! Did your status checker change?

Congrats!! Yeah, what's the deal? Mine just says " complete/will send decision by april 1"

Mine says the same thing, status checker didn't change.

My status checker did not change until after I submitted the info about whether I was going, considering it or going elsewhere (I said still interested), next day turned to admit from will send by april 1 (this was a month later)

[zapcaz]

In today via email. Submitted in early December.

[Jsa725]

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[zapcaz]

In today via email. Submitted in early December.

Congrats! What time did you get email?

Around 12:45 EST