U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Indifferent » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:22 am

seancris wrote:How many UF students are finding paid work for 1L & 2L summers? Apx how many 3L's have work lined up at graduation?

And can you give a conservative estimate of a typical starting salary for grads (not big law)? I asked the same question of a friend of mine who is a 3L at FSU and he said that it would be rare to find a grad making even 45k out, saying that 40k was more typical... would you say the same for UF?

Any UF Law students with insight on this, definitely provide your $.02

Paid work for 1L at UF, like nearly any school, is rare. It's difficult to find paid 1L jobs, but they do exist. I'd say I knew about 10 people with paid 1L jobs, some with firms, in-house with corporations, etc. I can't give you an exact number, but I imagine it's about 10-20 per year with paid 1L jobs. The pay rate varies and very few get jobs with firms (although there are definitely people who get firm jobs during their first summer).

I can't tell you exactly the number of 2Ls getting work. What I can tell you is that every firm that comes to OCI hires at least 1 UF student for the summer. I don't know of any firm that comes to OCI and doesn't take anyone, although there may be one or two. Some take 2-3, or more. So, I'd imagine that, through the entirety of OCI, around 40-50 people get hired (this might be an exaggeration, I am not really sure). Others get work outside of OCI, through networking or otherwise. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, though, there are a significant number of students during 2L who are either employed in externships or other non-paid positions. There are also those who don't get anything at all. The NLJ Go-To Law Schools list has us pegged at under 6% employed at NLJ 250 firms for 2011, which isn't surprising due to the significant number of strong regional firms that hire from UF, and the fact that 2009 OCI was a blood bath. Both 2010 and 2011 have been stronger, and the numbers will reflect that in the coming years.

As for 3Ls, I know a significant number of people with work lined up. Between clerkships, law firms, and everything else, I think I would estimate I know over 50 people with something lined up after graduation. I have no idea how many people actually have jobs. Last year a lot of people struggled, but many ended up okay. Obviously, there are people who are still searching. Some people graduate and give up law all together. I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you that if you network, work hard, and have a little luck, you're likely to find something (though it may not be your ideal fit or first choice).

Salaries run the gamut. If you get employed by a big law firm, you're looking at anywhere from 85-160k. I'd say the average is about 125k, though it varies (i.e. firms pay less in Tampa than they do in Miami). Outside of that, it is really going to depend where you are working. Federal clerks make about 60k. Prosecutors/public defenders make something like 40k. I can't really speak for any specific small law firms, but I imagine anywhere from 40 to 75k (maybe more, maybe less, depending on the location of the firm/partners/business/etc). It's sort of hard to generalize with small firms.

Hope this was somewhat helpful.

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Re: U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby seancris » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:01 pm

Indifferent wrote:
seancris wrote:How many UF students are finding paid work for 1L & 2L summers? Apx how many 3L's have work lined up at graduation?

And can you give a conservative estimate of a typical starting salary for grads (not big law)? I asked the same question of a friend of mine who is a 3L at FSU and he said that it would be rare to find a grad making even 45k out, saying that 40k was more typical... would you say the same for UF?

Any UF Law students with insight on this, definitely provide your $.02

Paid work for 1L at UF, like nearly any school, is rare. It's difficult to find paid 1L jobs, but they do exist. I'd say I knew about 10 people with paid 1L jobs, some with firms, in-house with corporations, etc. I can't give you an exact number, but I imagine it's about 10-20 per year with paid 1L jobs. The pay rate varies and very few get jobs with firms (although there are definitely people who get firm jobs during their first summer).

I can't tell you exactly the number of 2Ls getting work. What I can tell you is that every firm that comes to OCI hires at least 1 UF student for the summer. I don't know of any firm that comes to OCI and doesn't take anyone, although there may be one or two. Some take 2-3, or more. So, I'd imagine that, through the entirety of OCI, around 40-50 people get hired (this might be an exaggeration, I am not really sure). Others get work outside of OCI, through networking or otherwise. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, though, there are a significant number of students during 2L who are either employed in externships or other non-paid positions. There are also those who don't get anything at all. The NLJ Go-To Law Schools list has us pegged at under 6% employed at NLJ 250 firms for 2011, which isn't surprising due to the significant number of strong regional firms that hire from UF, and the fact that 2009 OCI was a blood bath. Both 2010 and 2011 have been stronger, and the numbers will reflect that in the coming years.

As for 3Ls, I know a significant number of people with work lined up. Between clerkships, law firms, and everything else, I think I would estimate I know over 50 people with something lined up after graduation. I have no idea how many people actually have jobs. Last year a lot of people struggled, but many ended up okay. Obviously, there are people who are still searching. Some people graduate and give up law all together. I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you that if you network, work hard, and have a little luck, you're likely to find something (though it may not be your ideal fit or first choice).

Salaries run the gamut. If you get employed by a big law firm, you're looking at anywhere from 85-160k. I'd say the average is about 125k, though it varies (i.e. firms pay less in Tampa than they do in Miami). Outside of that, it is really going to depend where you are working. Federal clerks make about 60k. Prosecutors/public defenders make something like 40k. I can't really speak for any specific small law firms, but I imagine anywhere from 40 to 75k (maybe more, maybe less, depending on the location of the firm/partners/business/etc). It's sort of hard to generalize with small firms.

Hope this was somewhat helpful.


Definitely helpful, thanks.

What kind of reasonable goals can 0Ls set for themselves and what specific kinds of things can we do as 1Ls to set ourselves up for favorable job prospects at graduation (anything beyond the general "work hard, network, etc.")?

And what do you think would be a reasonable amount of debt for a typical UF student in order to attend UF law? At what point should a prospective student be too uncomfortable to make the investment?

Thanks a lot for the insight.

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Re: U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby salsahips » Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:02 pm

seancris wrote:
Definitely helpful, thanks.

What kind of reasonable goals can 0Ls set for themselves and what specific kinds of things can we do as 1Ls to set ourselves up for favorable job prospects at graduation (anything beyond the general "work hard, network, etc.")?

And what do you think would be a reasonable amount of debt for a typical UF student in order to attend UF law? At what point should a prospective student be too uncomfortable to make the investment?

Thanks a lot for the insight.



GET REALLY GOOD GRADES. I'm only half kidding. Seriously though, I hear this from current students everywhere. The best way to ensure employment is to be in the top Nth percent (this number changes from school to school, if I gave a number for UF, I'd be pulling it out of my ass so maybe Indifferent can elucidate a bit).

He's definitely right about 1L jobs. My friend at Columbia says its rare even there, 4th best school in the country. Basically the only way to ensure a 1L job is to either be in the top few slots in your class, or be a URM. They get lucky at Columbia cause Columbia actually pays them for whatever job they do happen to find, be they externships, internships, etc. Does UF have a similar program?

All that being said, I'm sure there are ways other than getting good grades to help your chances of getting a job, unfortunately they are much more broad pieces of advice. Eg: Network, Practice your interviewing skills, etc.

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Re: U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby seancris » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:57 pm

UF grads/students, pls keep posting and sharing insights. Commentary from you guys is probably the most valuable thing ITT for students deciding where/whether to go.

Back to my own usually incorrect 0L predictions/commentary, though: I think we're likely to see more scholarship notices tomorrow. It would be wierd if wolf was the only one to get an offer, and he got his at the end of the week. No mail service today, so probably some letters tomorrow. Yup.

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Postby Benjamin1987 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:28 pm

My fiance just called to say I got my admit letter!!!

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Postby benburns214 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:30 pm

Benjamin1987 wrote:My fiance just called to say I got my admit letter!!!


Nice! Congrats

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Postby seancris » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:54 pm

Benjamin1987 wrote:My fiance just called to say I got my admit letter!!!


Congrats!! Do you think you'll attend?

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Postby dvjn69 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:12 pm

Did anyone get a status change today? I was looking forward to some news, but still FRNDR...

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Postby KibblesnBitts » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:32 pm

Hooray, admitted! It took me so long to find out because I had it delivered to my parents' house my apartment is in a very sketchy area to say the least, but I am in!

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Postby benburns214 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:38 pm

KibblesnBitts wrote:Hooray, admitted! It took me so long to find out because I had it delivered to my parents' house my apartment is in a very sketchy area to say the least, but I am in!


When did you first go FRNDR?

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Postby KibblesnBitts » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:03 pm

benburns214 wrote:
KibblesnBitts wrote:Hooray, admitted! It took me so long to find out because I had it delivered to my parents' house my apartment is in a very sketchy area to say the least, but I am in!


When did you first go FRNDR?


FRNDR December 2, Decision Rendered February 20.

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Postby benburns214 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:46 pm

KibblesnBitts wrote:
benburns214 wrote:
KibblesnBitts wrote:Hooray, admitted! It took me so long to find out because I had it delivered to my parents' house my apartment is in a very sketchy area to say the least, but I am in!


When did you first go FRNDR?


FRNDR December 2, Decision Rendered February 20.


God damn that's a giant gap

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Re: U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jaysgirl42671 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:03 pm

If you want a bit of optimism, I was 1/23 ---> 2/20.

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Re: U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby seancris » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:25 am

Probably another two weeks until scholarship notices come out... considering only one TLSer reported getting an offer in the last batch, it seems like UF is scraping the barrel at this point.

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Postby jlz111 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:48 pm

2/9 : Current Status: File Reviewed, No Decision Reached

Whats the hold up.. ? I really want UF.

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Postby georgia32 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:59 pm

When will this FRNDR stuff end!?!

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Postby benburns214 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:59 pm

jlz111 wrote:2/9 : Current Status: File Reviewed, No Decision Reached

Whats the hold up.. ? I really want UF.


I have been FR:NDR since 2/9 as well... the only way this is acceptable is if they are determining how much money to give me lol if they continue to wait forever just to ding me, I will rage.

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Postby genius5432 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:14 pm

benburns214 wrote:
jlz111 wrote:2/9 : Current Status: File Reviewed, No Decision Reached

Whats the hold up.. ? I really want UF.


I have been FR:NDR since 2/9 as well... the only way this is acceptable is if they are determining how much money to give me lol if they continue to wait forever just to ding me, I will rage.


I have been in FR:NDR status since December 1st, 2011. So rest assured that waiting over three months for a decision is apparently not out of the ordinary for UF.

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Re: U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby seancris » Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:22 pm

There have only been like 2 dings so far and a majority of applicants will be getting dings. So yeah, unfortunately dings will come later in the cycle but waitlists and admits will probably be forthcoming.

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Postby benburns214 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:18 am

Dinged via email this morning :(

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Postby cass1230 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:22 am

dinged via email

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Postby curiousnole » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:11 pm

Argh, I hope I'm not the next ding. I'm a white male florida resident, 161 3.6 (3.9 last two years), went to fsu undergrad. What are my chances?

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Postby Geaux12 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:21 pm

curiousnole wrote:Argh, I hope I'm not the next ding. I'm a white male florida resident, 161 3.6 (3.9 last two years), went to fsu undergrad. What are my chances?


I'd be surprised if you were a rejection. Check out LSN from last cycle.

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Postby curiousnole » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:23 pm

I did. There are surprisingly few applicants for UF similar to me. Every one that has my number is either URM or an older applicant. Checked a few years back too :/

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Re: U. of Florida c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jaysgirl42671 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:37 pm

I'm a 161 and a 3.68 and got my letter last week. :) So there's hope!




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