WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby mrjohnsterman » Fri May 25, 2012 12:02 am

[quooh yea, taking an all or nothing gamble this week...

Please do tell.

Additionally, they just bumped mine up to 30k/year as well.[/quote]

its an incredibly ballsy move, if it works i will share.....if not I will probably delete my profile and never be heard from again, wish me luck.[/quote]

"I have withdrawn from every other school, as WUSTL is the only school...." (right?) I really can't think of anything else that would be "ballsy" and also wouldn't make you seem crazy/weird/scary.[/quote][/quote]

I imagine it went something like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpIazkOqBVc

Watching every motion in my foolish lawyers's game
On this endless ocean finally lawyers know no shame
Turning and returning to some secret place inside
Watching in slow motion as you turn around and say
Take my breath away
Take my breath away

Watching I keep waiting still anticipating law
Never hesitating to become the fated ones
Turning and returning to some secret place to hide
Watching in slow motion as you turn to me and say
Wash U
Take my breath away

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sam61252 » Fri May 25, 2012 12:24 am

mrjohnsterman wrote:[quooh yea, taking an all or nothing gamble this week...

Please do tell.

Additionally, they just bumped mine up to 30k/year as well.


its an incredibly ballsy move, if it works i will share.....if not I will probably delete my profile and never be heard from again, wish me luck.[/quote]

"I have withdrawn from every other school, as WUSTL is the only school...." (right?) I really can't think of anything else that would be "ballsy" and also wouldn't make you seem crazy/weird/scary.[/quote][/quote]

I imagine it went something like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpIazkOqBVc

Watching every motion in my foolish lawyers's game
On this endless ocean finally lawyers know no shame
Turning and returning to some secret place inside
Watching in slow motion as you turn around and say
Take my breath away
Take my breath away

Watching I keep waiting still anticipating law
Never hesitating to become the fated ones
Turning and returning to some secret place to hide
Watching in slow motion as you turn to me and say
Wash U
Take my breath away[/quote]


My guess was a Wash U tramp stamp...

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Birdnals » Fri May 25, 2012 9:01 am

sam61252 wrote:My guess was a Wash U tramp stamp...


...they told me everybody had to get those. Are you saying you DIDN'T get yours yet?

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby mrjohnsterman » Fri May 25, 2012 10:29 am

Birdnals wrote:
sam61252 wrote:My guess was a Wash U tramp stamp...


...they told me everybody had to get those. Are you saying you DIDN'T get yours yet?



I hope you went with the original bear mascot cartoon not the current one...
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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Birdnals » Fri May 25, 2012 10:33 am

They didn’t specify which one got more scholarship money, so I just got both. One above each cheek

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby TheZoid » Fri May 25, 2012 10:37 am

Oftranch wrote:Just got called up from the wait list... really pumped about it and to top it off they offered me 22k/yr.


Stats? People coming from the waitlist are getting an awful lot of love this cycle w/r/t $$. Is this a function of the reduction in applications and subsequent scrambling to fill their class and maintian medians? Makes me want to sit out a cycle, retake and reapply (and of course, ED to UVA).

ETA: LSN has 2.61 and 2.69, 168 with $60K/year. One off the waitlist. Was there something about my 2.65 that rubbed them the wrong way? Yea, I mad.
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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Oftranch » Fri May 25, 2012 10:57 am

TheZoid wrote:
Oftranch wrote:Just got called up from the wait list... really pumped about it and to top it off they offered me 22k/yr.


Stats? People coming from the waitlist are getting an awful lot of love this cycle w/r/t $$. Is this a function of the reduction in applications and subsequent scrambling to fill their class and maintian medians? Makes me want to sit out a cycle, retake and reapply (and of course, ED to UVA).



PM Sent

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby TheZoid » Fri May 25, 2012 11:27 am

Thanks for the PM oftranch.

So I'm wondering. In my previous negotiation letter I said I would withdraw all other offers and commit to going. Got bumped $2k. Is it bad form to go back to the well, saying that I'm considering not attending at all this year (this is true, if it matters to any of you)? It seems like getting 20 or 22k is doable, based on all these waitlist offers, and I haven't signed the financial aid form and officially accepted the offer. Thoughts and opinions are appreciated, but my overarching sentiment is that I don't have a lot to lose here.

ETA: I did officially withdraw other offers and not deposit anywhere else.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby BVest » Fri May 25, 2012 11:51 am

Because I ran the numbers in a childish debate I got dragged into on another thread, here's what I saw on LSN for WUSTL:

BVest wrote:Of this year's admits on LSN, the average $ amount for sub 2.75 at WUSTL is $26,800 (including those who did not list any $, i.e. assuming they got $0); the average $ amount for sub 3.0 at WUSTL is $40,400. No, it's not the $120-130k they offered to a 170/4.0, but it is what they offer to a 164/3.9.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby 2014 » Fri May 25, 2012 11:54 am

Makes you wonder if ANYONE is paying sticker.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby zozin » Fri May 25, 2012 11:56 am

What's a studio/1 bedroom apt. next to campus run? I just got off their wait list, and I didn't expect to get in so I didn't do much research.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Birdnals » Fri May 25, 2012 12:00 pm

zozin wrote:What's a studio/1 bedroom apt. next to campus run? I just got off their wait list, and I didn't expect to get in so I didn't do much research.

Cheap, probably $300-700 depending on how thrifty you want to live

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby TheZoid » Fri May 25, 2012 12:13 pm

2014 wrote:Makes you wonder if ANYONE is paying sticker.


Lol +1. Thanks for the info, BVest. Yea, I think going back to well is the play.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Birdnals » Fri May 25, 2012 12:22 pm

TheZoid wrote:
2014 wrote:Makes you wonder if ANYONE is paying sticker.


Lol +1. Thanks for the info, BVest. Yea, I think going back to well is the play.


I imagine it is like most t25 schools
Top 0-10% numbers attending for free
Top 11-25% attending for slightly less than the school actually cost
Top 26-75% paying what the school should actually cost
Bottom 24-10% paying slightly more than school actually costs to subsidize high ups
Bottom 10% paying Their tuition plus subsidizing the tuition of the top 10%


Maybe slightly more money from WashU because of pretty giant endowments to both the Law School and general campus.


ETA: Stats http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... _scho.html

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby TheZoid » Fri May 25, 2012 12:46 pm

That's pretty interesting, and sounds about right.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby dasneak » Wed May 30, 2012 5:40 pm

I have a bit of a dilemma!

I definitely have NYC/SF/Chicago biglaw as a goal, which is why I'm strongly considering Northwestern Law at sticker. But $90k at WUSTL is really hard to pass up, and so is the $60k that Vanderbilt is giving me as of today. I'm still waitlisted at Duke, Cornell, UCLA and on reserve at Columbia (but all of those seem highly, highly unlikely) so I don't know what to do.

Any advice? $90k is a lot of money...

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Birdnals » Wed May 30, 2012 5:51 pm

dasneak wrote:I have a bit of a dilemma!

I definitely have NYC/SF/Chicago biglaw as a goal, which is why I'm strongly considering Northwestern Law at sticker. But $90k at WUSTL is really hard to pass up, and so is the $60k that Vanderbilt is giving me as of today. I'm still waitlisted at Duke, Cornell, UCLA and on reserve at Columbia (but all of those seem highly, highly unlikely) so I don't know what to do.

Any advice? $90k is a lot of money...

NU gives you between a 50-60% chance of getting biglaw. At Sticker, livening in Chicago, you are going to exit with between 200 and 250K in debt.

Wustl gives you 20-25% chance of biglaw. With 90K living in STL you are going to exit with a little over 100K in debt probably.

I personally was in a very similar situation as you (slightly more from wustl), and have chosen wustl. I just couldn’t let myself pay HSY $ for a non HSY degree. But I am also not biglaw or bust, and have decent job security if I get median pwned. I am also from St. Louis

IDK about vandy, they rejected me.

It all comes down to how much you want to gamble on biglaw. Do you want to bet 250K on pocket jacks, or 100K on 10/jack suited.

Good luck on your decision! Those are great options to have!

ETA: I am a 0l, so take this 2cents with a grain of salt

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Robespierre » Wed May 30, 2012 6:12 pm

dasneak wrote:I have a bit of a dilemma!

I definitely have NYC/SF/Chicago biglaw as a goal, which is why I'm strongly considering Northwestern Law at sticker. But $90k at WUSTL is really hard to pass up, and so is the $60k that Vanderbilt is giving me as of today. I'm still waitlisted at Duke, Cornell, UCLA and on reserve at Columbia (but all of those seem highly, highly unlikely) so I don't know what to do.

Any advice? $90k is a lot of money...


Do you have any savings you can put towards law school? Is your family putting up any money?

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby splitsplat » Wed May 30, 2012 6:26 pm

I'm in the same boat as you, 90k at Wash or NU at sticker. I'm leaning towards NU despite the horrifying COA for three years. We can be debt buddies if you go to NU, haha.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby dasneak » Wed May 30, 2012 6:49 pm

Robespierre wrote:
dasneak wrote:I have a bit of a dilemma!

I definitely have NYC/SF/Chicago biglaw as a goal, which is why I'm strongly considering Northwestern Law at sticker. But $90k at WUSTL is really hard to pass up, and so is the $60k that Vanderbilt is giving me as of today. I'm still waitlisted at Duke, Cornell, UCLA and on reserve at Columbia (but all of those seem highly, highly unlikely) so I don't know what to do.

Any advice? $90k is a lot of money...


Do you have any savings you can put towards law school? Is your family putting up any money?


My family is definitely willing to help out, but most of these loans are on my shoulders. My parents are both doctors and make a reasonable amount of money so they were able to help me through college, but my sister is going to college next year too and so law school is pretty much my own financial burden.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sgpmd » Wed May 30, 2012 8:56 pm

I say get rid of the sister and go to NU! thats worth more than 90k

dasneak wrote:
Robespierre wrote:
dasneak wrote:I have a bit of a dilemma!

I definitely have NYC/SF/Chicago biglaw as a goal, which is why I'm strongly considering Northwestern Law at sticker. But $90k at WUSTL is really hard to pass up, and so is the $60k that Vanderbilt is giving me as of today. I'm still waitlisted at Duke, Cornell, UCLA and on reserve at Columbia (but all of those seem highly, highly unlikely) so I don't know what to do.

Any advice? $90k is a lot of money...


Do you have any savings you can put towards law school? Is your family putting up any money?


My family is definitely willing to help out, but most of these loans are on my shoulders. My parents are both doctors and make a reasonable amount of money so they were able to help me through college, but my sister is going to college next year too and so law school is pretty much my own financial burden.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Robespierre » Thu May 31, 2012 10:07 am

Well if your family could put up, say, 50K towards law school, that would bring your debt burden down to about 80K for WashU, which is scary but not outrageous. For NU the debt would still be about 200K, and I just can't see taking on that kind of burden for anything less than H or Y. So, WashU.

But if your family can't put up anything, you are looking at roughly 130K debt for WashU and 250K debt for NU. Neither one looks attractive on that basis in the middle of a recession; consider trying again a couple of years down the road. If I had to choose, I would say -- strange as it may seem -- NU. At some point, massive debt is just massive debt.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby TheZoid » Thu May 31, 2012 10:19 am

Robespierre wrote:Well if your family could put up, say, 50K towards law school, that would bring your debt burden down to about 80K for WashU, which is scary but not outrageous. For NU the debt would still be about 200K, and I just can't see taking on that kind of burden for anything less than H or Y. So, WashU.

But if your family can't put up anything, you are looking at roughly 130K debt for WashU and 250K debt for NU. Neither one looks attractive on that basis in the middle of a recession; consider trying again a couple of years down the road. If I had to choose, I would say -- strange as it may seem -- NU. At some point, massive debt is just massive debt.


But not S?

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Robespierre » Thu May 31, 2012 11:20 am

Heh, I'm an NYC guy so not all that familiar with S.

You goin' to WashU?

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby splitsplat » Thu May 31, 2012 1:18 pm

Robespierre wrote:Well if your family could put up, say, 50K towards law school, that would bring your debt burden down to about 80K for WashU, which is scary but not outrageous. For NU the debt would still be about 200K, and I just can't see taking on that kind of burden for anything less than H or Y. So, WashU.

But if your family can't put up anything, you are looking at roughly 130K debt for WashU and 250K debt for NU. Neither one looks attractive on that basis in the middle of a recession; consider trying again a couple of years down the road. If I had to choose, I would say -- strange as it may seem -- NU. At some point, massive debt is just massive debt.


your estimate is off. rounding up tuition+school cost to 20k a year after scholarships is only 60k. I doubt books/room/board are going to cost 23k/year in st. louis.




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