Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby snehpets » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:28 pm

Elendil wrote:
snehpets wrote:
Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:
Nelson wrote:170/3.55 is not exactly safe at Georgetown; that's 50/50 territory at best. Why on Earth would you decline an interview?

ETA: You have no shot at Penn with a 170/3.55 unless you have rockin' softs or are URM. NU maybe if you have the prerequisite WE.


ETA? Acronym fail?
Going out on a limb here, I wouldn't say that a PS about religion, particularly about atheism, would add to the safe-ness of an application.


Edited This After.

As long as it's well-written, no one really cares what your personal statement is about, except at like, Stanford, or Yale.


True... but GULC is very proud of its "Jesuit tradition." While that might not be directly related to religion, I doubt that a PS on atheism would HELP anyone land on the admitted pile haha


Oh yeah, haha, I agree. It's not something I would've picked for my topic at any school. I guess I read it more as a sarcastic statement implying that it had hurt the OP's application, probably because I'm overly sarcastic/obnoxious in real life. Projecting :wink:

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby EMZE » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:57 pm

speakeasier wrote:So, I created an account just so I could ask this question. I took the LSAT twice (160 first time, 170 second time) and a 3.55 GPA, and I got preferred waitlisted at Georgetown. While Georgetown definitely wasn't my first choice, this kind of worries me, because I'm aiming for other T-14 schools.

My mind comes up with the following (arbitrary?) reasons: I didn't go to the group interview thing...I wrote about being an atheist in my personal statement, and this is a Jesuit school...160 LSAT counted against me...I applied somewhat last minute to this particular school (Mid-December)...

What do you guys think? Is this an indicator of my chances at higher-ranked schools like Northwestern or UPenn? Totally random? Shit happens? I'm kind of going out of my mind here. Thank you!


My 2 cents as a non-ED, non-URM applicant who made it in with lower numbers by a good margin (below both 25%) -

Declining the interview is said not to hurt your application, but it is definitely used to gauge interest. You didn't show much if you declined it. If you had reasons like being out of town, you could probably have found a time that worked for you, no?

A personal statement about being atheist probably didnt hurt you in the sense that the reviewer did not like that you are atheist, but maybe that, since the personal statement should be a reflection of who you are as a person, the person you portrayed does not seem like someone who is a great fit or is likely to be very interested in GULC. As well, if the reviewer is someone of faith, you probably hit a wrong note off the bat and were not going to get the benefit of the doubt. Adcomms are all just people like the rest of us, and personal bias must come into play.

It probably just comes down to their perception of interest. If GULC does interest you, an LOCI should help. As far as your chances at the rest of the T-14, I really dont think this is a huge indicator, though like I said earlier, you did pick a controversial topic for a PS, and it might rub some people wrong. It may also strike some people as genius if it is well written.

I know this is not what most people advocate, not on TLS at least, but I personally think it is not a bad idea to write to schools and find out what they thought about your application if you are on a W/L or deferral or whatever. There is absolutely a way to do it and not sound whiny, like some suggest is the case when you ask those questions. Something along the lines of "I am very interested in X school and want to do the best I can to improve my chances of moving off of the waitlist and be admitted. What options do I have for expressing my sincere interest in X school, and for better demonstrating my potential as a future lawyer?" The answer of course is an LOCI, but at least in establishing communication, you have hopefully convinced them that it is not just a knee jerk reaction to being wait listed.

These are law schools, and the industry is built on personal connections and networking. That is half the reason for attend a T-14 school, the connections. Having been out of undergrad for quite some time, I have used the same methods for dealing with schools as I have for jobs, and from most schools I have been put in direct contact with an actual admissions officer, not just an administrative assistant. They will always tell me as an initial disclaimer that they are not supposed to give "tips" to applicants, but somehow they always end up following that with solid advice that has helped me greatly. Be it Yale or GULC or TTTT, your numbers alone do not necessarily indicate to an adcomm that you will struggle or excel at any law school out there. The personal factor is what will cause them to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Hope this is helpful for you, or for anyone applying.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jojob1 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:19 pm

is an LOCI typically sent in via e-mail, fax, or postal mail?

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby speakeasier » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:20 pm

EMZE wrote:Hope this is helpful for you, or for anyone applying.


Hey thanks, this was a really helpful response. With regards to my personal statement, I was indeed very reluctant to write on such a controversial topic. In the end, I decided to submit it partly because it was written in a way that was not offensive at all, and partly because, well, it was a really good essay. It turned out far better than I had expected, and I think it would offend someone only if they were ultra-religious and opposed to someone being an atheist in general.

I really think it was the lack of interview that did it, because they did put me on their Preferred Waitlist rather than their regular one. Oh well.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby mathlawcombo » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:20 pm

i have my interview tomorrow...how long does it usually take to get a decision afterwards?

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby snehpets » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:29 pm

mathlawcombo wrote:i have my interview tomorrow...how long does it usually take to get a decision afterwards?


Been almost three weeks for me. I've got nothing.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Samara » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:38 pm

Another status date update. :shock: Could that be my letter going in the mail? :shock: :shock:

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cactuarX3 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:40 pm

Samara wrote:Another status date update. :shock: Could that be my letter going in the mail? :shock: :shock:


check the ASW, if you can generate a login, then the letter is in the mail

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Samara » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:44 pm

cactuarX3 wrote:
Samara wrote:Another status date update. :shock: Could that be my letter going in the mail? :shock: :shock:


check the ASW, if you can generate a login, then the letter is in the mail

I don't want to find out that way, but I might break down and check it. Maybe if I pretend like I can't find the link, I'll be able to resist.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby snehpets » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:47 pm

Samara wrote:
cactuarX3 wrote:
Samara wrote:Another status date update. :shock: Could that be my letter going in the mail? :shock: :shock:


check the ASW, if you can generate a login, then the letter is in the mail

I don't want to find out that way, but I might break down and check it. Maybe if I pretend like I can't find the link, I'll be able to resist.


Doesn't it take like 4 days for it to actually work anyway? You might try logging in and not get in even though you're admitted, which would be sad, haha.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Samara » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:49 pm

snehpets wrote:
Samara wrote:
cactuarX3 wrote:
Samara wrote:Another status date update. :shock: Could that be my letter going in the mail? :shock: :shock:


check the ASW, if you can generate a login, then the letter is in the mail

I don't want to find out that way, but I might break down and check it. Maybe if I pretend like I can't find the link, I'll be able to resist.


Doesn't it take like 4 days for it to actually work anyway? You might try logging in and not get in even though you're admitted, which would be sad, haha.

Can't generate a password. Have to keep waiting. And I now I hate myself for trying to log in.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby brookedonphonics » Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:50 pm

Received my acceptance confirmation today! Shocked & amazed as I'm 167/3.79 and I'd been waiting since submitting on 10/1. :D!

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby foxylaxy » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:21 pm

speakeasier wrote:So, I created an account just so I could ask this question. I took the LSAT twice (160 first time, 170 second time) and a 3.55 GPA, and I got preferred waitlisted at Georgetown. While Georgetown definitely wasn't my first choice, this kind of worries me, because I'm aiming for other T-14 schools.

My mind comes up with the following (arbitrary?) reasons: I didn't go to the group interview thing...I wrote about being an atheist in my personal statement, and this is a Jesuit school...160 LSAT counted against me...I applied somewhat last minute to this particular school (Mid-December)...

What do you guys think? Is this an indicator of my chances at higher-ranked schools like Northwestern or UPenn? Totally random? Shit happens? I'm kind of going out of my mind here. Thank you!


I think EMZE was pretty helpful. And as has been stated, if you are really into GULC, send an LOCI. From my understanding based on my cousin's experience with the GULC waitlist, the preferred waitlist isn't a bad offer. He wasn't preferred and still got in (although I take it was because the Dean appreciated his sense of humor).

If you aren't happy with the results this time around, I would suggest reapplying next year earlier in the cycle and possibly taking another LSAT if you are up for it. FWIW I have a 171/3.52 (first LSAT 164) and I got accepted into GULC, Michigan and NU. I applied to Michigan and NU on 9/19 and GULC 10/2 (a day after it was available).

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ColtsFan88 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:23 pm

Hey guys I'm looking for reassurance but I can handle the truth. I submitted 10/28, complete 11/1, then I had an update 11/16 with alum interview request. After my interview I updated 12/19 and 12/20 (my interview was 12/15).

When should I be expecting to move again, if I move at all? Did anyone else have 2 updates right after an interview but no decision and no ASW password?

EDIT: This is dumb, I'm driving myself crazy. I'm sure its a feeling others can relate to.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby PizzaShrapnel » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:56 pm

Just got updated for the second time in the past two days after having no movement since 10/14. Sensing an eventual ding, but, hey, here's to wishing...

edit: can't spell

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:15 pm

FWIW, I updated again today after updating for the 5th(?) time yesterday.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Tim0thy222 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:05 pm

ColtsFan88 wrote:Hey guys I'm looking for reassurance but I can handle the truth. I submitted 10/28, complete 11/1, then I had an update 11/16 with alum interview request. After my interview I updated 12/19 and 12/20 (my interview was 12/15).

When should I be expecting to move again, if I move at all? Did anyone else have 2 updates right after an interview but no decision and no ASW password?

EDIT: This is dumb, I'm driving myself crazy. I'm sure its a feeling others can relate to.


I'm surprised you aren't in yet. Do you have any other t14 acceptances yet? Due to our similar numbers, I am very interested in how your cycle is playing out.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ColtsFan88 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:58 pm

No not yet. I actually applied the same time as you but it took forever to get around to my interview. I made a couple posts about it a month ago.

WIW I only applied to 3 T14s as there were lower ranked schools that I was more interested in.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Flappy Scribbleneck » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:53 pm

frosti wrote:
Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:did any PT or Both (FT and PT) Applicants update on 01/03?


I did.

Have any people been admitted to the PT program yet?


I updated today also - did any PT or Both people update today?
Did anyone without an interview update today?

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby viacavour » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:26 pm

I'm in!!!!!!!!!!!

Travelling so I found out via email from Dean C. Apparently a big envelope has been waiting for me at home for the past week.

This is my first acceptance!!! Submitted 12/1

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby frosti » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:32 am

Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:
frosti wrote:
Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:did any PT or Both (FT and PT) Applicants update on 01/03?


I did.

Have any people been admitted to the PT program yet?


I updated today also - did any PT or Both people update today?
Did anyone without an interview update today?


I updated 1/4 too. Flappy, apparently we're in this together.
Last edited by frosti on Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:03 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Take Two » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:34 am

viacavour wrote:I'm in!!!!!!!!!!!

Travelling so I found out via email from Dean C. Apparently a big envelope has been waiting for me at home for the past week.

This is my first acceptance!!! Submitted 12/1


Congrats! :D

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Flappy Scribbleneck » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:07 pm

frosti wrote:
Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:
frosti wrote:
Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:did any PT or Both (FT and PT) Applicants update on 01/03?


I did.

Have any people been admitted to the PT program yet?


I updated today also - did any PT or Both people update today?
Did anyone without an interview update today?


I updated 1/4 too. Flappy, apparently we're in this together.

Frosti, Frosti, Frosti, that is bad news for you, to be in the same boat as me.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:54 pm

Gtown just updated my citizenship to USA - anyone have this? I went complete for about the 4th and 5th times on 1/03 and 1/04 as well.

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Re: Georgetown c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby franklyscarlet » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:00 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:Gtown just updated my citizenship to USA - anyone have this? I went complete for about the 4th and 5th times on 1/03 and 1/04 as well.


Tat happened to me right before I got my log in.




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