Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Schang1
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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Schang1 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:32 pm

Is there something wrong if I'm still sitting at 11/8??

Your application is complete 11/08/2011
Your application has been received 11/02/2011
Your application has been received 11/01/2011

Or are we looking at:

Term: Fall

Year: 2012

Program Time: Full Time

Degree: JD

Current Status: Your application is complete

Current Status Date: 12/16/2011

Sorry I'm a bit confused... :shock:

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Moultdog » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:41 pm

Schang1 wrote:Is there something wrong if I'm still sitting at 11/8??

Your application is complete 11/08/2011
Your application has been received 11/02/2011
Your application has been received 11/01/2011

Or are we looking at:

Term: Fall

Year: 2012

Program Time: Full Time

Degree: JD

Current Status: Your application is complete

Current Status Date: 12/16/2011

Sorry I'm a bit confused... :shock:



You're a 12/16 by the looks of things

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ryemanhattan » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:54 pm

11-08/ 12-12/ 12-16 here. I'm an extreme splitter, so there's just no way to know what's in store.

Deferred by Northwestern from ED to RD today. No surprise there, but a Cornell acceptance would make this a much more relaxed Christmas.

Hope to get some good news with you guys Monday... I'm instituting a TLS weekend ban for mental health.

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby terriers » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:08 pm

chem wrote:Deferred

3.4/171


My exact stats, but I got in (didn't apply ED or anything), really seems random, I have a couple years of decent work experience and my PS/recs were probably fine, but it does seem pretty random, I also got WL'd from UMinn.

Best of luck to those deferred/waiting, Cornell definitely seems a bit mysterious on their methodology.

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:51 am

Wow, I guess all that carnage yesterday really left this thread dead :cry:

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:17 am

msblaw89 wrote:Wow, I guess all that carnage yesterday really left this thread dead :cry:

You still in the hunt, MSB? I'm still hanging around, but I'm totally marginal (173/3.0x), and lots of people with better #'s got the axe yesterday, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:21 am

cogitoergosum wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:Wow, I guess all that carnage yesterday really left this thread dead :cry:

You still in the hunt, MSB? I'm still hanging around, but I'm totally marginal (173/3.0x), and lots of people with better #'s got the axe yesterday, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

I'm still in the hunt... but nervous

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Take Two » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:46 am

Imho I have pretty decent numbers and Im still in the hunt, hopefully there will be good news soon!

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Campagnolo » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:03 pm

I read on another thread that us news is not using the actual median in their formulas. Instead, they are going to take the 75 and the 25 numbers and average them. This would actually make a massive difference. Schools that have a median LSAT of 170 and a 75 of 171 (which is pretty common) will be hurt significantly if their 25 mark is 167, for example. Where the median was all that mattered in the past, now there is a huge incentive to drive up that 75 and limit the 25. You could admit half a class of 171s and then admit all the nice folks with low numbers but killer softs. No longer if the formula ha indeed been changed.

I literally just rolled out of bed (west coast) so I haven't looked into whether te formula is actually different this year, but I think it would explain some of this mystery movement from Cornell.

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby EMZE » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:21 pm

I'm not the best at deciphering the whole LSN chart thing, but am I incorrect when I say it looks like most of the decisions that came out at the end of the EA deadline were acceptances?

To me (not a data miner like some of ya'll experts) it looks like they go acceptances, deferalls, acceptances.

Just a thought for those of us hopefuls awaiting word, though it would be much better if corroborated by someone else. Thataway I can either leave this thought up or take it down for fear of inciting the hive.

ETA: It also looks like the 16th was the day used for a lot of the deferealls/rejections.

Disclaimer: Past performance does not guarantee future results.
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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Take Two » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:22 pm

Campagnolo wrote:I read on another thread that us news is not using the actual median in their formulas. Instead, they are going to take the 75 and the 25 numbers and average them. This would actually make a massive difference. Schools that have a median LSAT of 170 and a 75 of 171 (which is pretty common) will be hurt significantly if their 25 mark is 167, for example. Where the median was all that mattered in the past, now there is a huge incentive to drive up that 75 and limit the 25. You could admit half a class of 171s and then admit all the nice folks with low numbers but killer softs. No longer if the formula ha indeed been changed.

I literally just rolled out of bed (west coast) so I haven't looked into whether te formula is actually different this year, but I think it would explain some of this mystery movement from Cornell.


wow youre right this would have huge implications!

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby JDizzle2015 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:31 pm

Campagnolo wrote:I read on another thread that us news is not using the actual median in their formulas. Instead, they are going to take the 75 and the 25 numbers and average them. This would actually make a massive difference. Schools that have a median LSAT of 170 and a 75 of 171 (which is pretty common) will be hurt significantly if their 25 mark is 167, for example. Where the median was all that mattered in the past, now there is a huge incentive to drive up that 75 and limit the 25. You could admit half a class of 171s and then admit all the nice folks with low numbers but killer softs. No longer if the formula ha indeed been changed.

I literally just rolled out of bed (west coast) so I haven't looked into whether te formula is actually different this year, but I think it would explain some of this mystery movement from Cornell.

Where did you read this? (You sure it wasn't a nightmare? haha)

I know in the past, it's always been medians. I read on some commentaries after the UIUC scandal broke out that there has been talk about weighing jd-required employment data more heavily in order to shift away from the process being completely a numbers game.
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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby tamarind49 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:32 pm

EMZE wrote:I'm not the best at deciphering the whole LSN chart thing, but am I incorrect when I say it looks like most of the decisions that came out at the end of the EA deadline were acceptances?

To me (not a data miner like some of ya'll experts) it looks like they go acceptances, deferalls, acceptances.

Just a thought for those of us hopefuls awaiting word, though it would be much better if corroborated by someone else. Thataway I can either leave this thought up or take it down for fear of inciting the hive.

ETA: It also looks like the 16th was the day used for a lot of the deferealls/rejections.

Disclaimer: Past performance does not guarantee future results.


I don't know but I really hope it's right (the way they go acceptance, deferral, acceptance). Also, I'm really curious whether Cornell rejects a lot of EA applicants or prefers to roll them to RD. Anyone know/guess?

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:01 pm

Campagnolo wrote:I read on another thread that us news is not using the actual median in their formulas. Instead, they are going to take the 75 and the 25 numbers and average them. This would actually make a massive difference. Schools that have a median LSAT of 170 and a 75 of 171 (which is pretty common) will be hurt significantly if their 25 mark is 167, for example. Where the median was all that mattered in the past, now there is a huge incentive to drive up that 75 and limit the 25. You could admit half a class of 171s and then admit all the nice folks with low numbers but killer softs. No longer if the formula ha indeed been changed.

I literally just rolled out of bed (west coast) so I haven't looked into whether te formula is actually different this year, but I think it would explain some of this mystery movement from Cornell.

If this a true... Why would they roll over so many 170+s?

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby lawschool899 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:07 pm

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... ology-2012

i mean this is from march and says that they use the median. are they re-doing the formula for the upcoming rankings then?

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:10 pm

lawschool899 wrote:http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/2011/03/14/law-school-rankings-methodology-2012

i mean this is from march and says that they use the median. are they re-doing the formula for the upcoming rankings then?

I know that usnews was changing their system somewhat by tweaking how the factor in employment statistics

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Campagnolo » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:11 pm

Okay, so if you google "Us news Law ranking formula 25% 75%" the first entry is (unsurprisingly) Leiter's page. The snippet says that us news doesn't even collect the median LSAT data. If you click the link, the info doesn't appear to be on the page.

I don't want to distract from the Cornell page, and I feel like I submitted the best application I could. Whatever happens now is out of my control. (I've been reading my Epictetus if you can't tell.) I was just wondering if we could sort out the results of the last couple of days. There is a method, but I don't need to know exactly what it is I guess.

Happy Saturday everybody.

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby gatorapplicant » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:25 pm

For what it's worth, I have a 166 and was not deferred yesterday. I'm hopeful, but I wouldn't assume that all who weren't deferred are admits. I'm afraid it's the opposite for me.

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:35 pm

gatorapplicant wrote:For what it's worth, I have a 166 and was not deferred yesterday. I'm hopeful, but I wouldn't assume that all who weren't deferred are admits. I'm afraid it's the opposite for me.

? Are you insinuating rejections?

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:45 pm

gatorapplicant wrote:For what it's worth, I have a 166 and was not deferred yesterday. I'm hopeful, but I wouldn't assume that all who weren't deferred are admits. I'm afraid it's the opposite for me.

I definitely don't think you're an auto-reject or anything... you're 2 pts below median LSAT but .2 above median GPA... Throw in something nice in the soft category and I think you have a shot..

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby anonymous12345 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:58 pm

First time poster here, but like many of you, really in love with Cornell. Still waiting to hear back, but here’s my take on what’s going on. Perhaps I’m giving the school too much credit, but I really think it’s a solid play on their part.

From the wave of “strong numbers” admits earlier this week and yesterday morning, I take it they’re making an early push to protect their medians. Then , defer all the rest (I haven’t heard of any rejections thus far, am I wrong on this?). Think about it, what incentive do they have to reject anyone? You have limited seats, but essentially unlimited deferrals. Why make the tough decisions early on when you don’t know what the rest of the pool looks like? Especially given the rumors that apps might be down this year, it looks like their way of protecting the medians early, and then playing it safe with the rest until the pool is known.

I suppose they’ll wait to hear back and see what their yield is like with the EA admits, and then make the tough calls in Feb. when they have more of a sense of remaining spot #’s, and relative pool strength. And the other smart play by deferring all but rejecting none is that (theoretically), you weed out the weakly-committed from your remaining pool come February. Theoretically, the applicants who take it in stride and are willing to go along for the ride are more likely to accept an offer late in the game, thus improving the anticipated yield. This way, the medians are protected (assuming the EA yield is strong) early on, and then the school can wait until the (rumored smaller) pool is known in order to choose among them the best of the best – and better yet, from a pool that, once deferred, is perhaps more likely to accept.

What do you think, am I way off base with this? Or is what I’m saying already incredibly obvious?

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby gatorapplicant » Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:13 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:
gatorapplicant wrote:For what it's worth, I have a 166 and was not deferred yesterday. I'm hopeful, but I wouldn't assume that all who weren't deferred are admits. I'm afraid it's the opposite for me.

I definitely don't think you're an auto-reject or anything... you're 2 pts below median LSAT but .2 above median GPA... Throw in something nice in the soft category and I think you have a shot..


thanks. i'm EA so i guess i'll find out soon enough either way. would be a nice christmas present!

also, anonymous, i think you could be onto something

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby DonnaDraper » Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:37 pm

anonymous12345 wrote: from a pool that, once deferred, is perhaps more likely to accept.


Eeh I disagree. At least personally, had I been deferred, I think I would have been less likely to accept later on. Cornell was my second choice (tied with UVA and my #1/ED being Penn). If my ED had deferred/rejected me and Cornell accepted me, I probably would have decided then and there to go to Cornell and start apartment hunting with my sister, who already lives in Ithaca. If Cornell deferred me and then accepted me later, I would think twice about Cornell partly because it would be harder to find housing with my sis and also partly because the deferral would leave a bitter taste in my mouth, whereas the schools who outright accepted me would gain favor.

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Re: Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:52 pm

DonnaDraper wrote:
anonymous12345 wrote: from a pool that, once deferred, is perhaps more likely to accept.


Eeh I disagree. At least personally, had I been deferred, I think I would have been less likely to accept later on. Cornell was my second choice (tied with UVA and my #1/ED being Penn). If my ED had deferred/rejected me and Cornell accepted me, I probably would have decided then and there to go to Cornell and start apartment hunting with my sister, who already lives in Ithaca. If Cornell deferred me and then accepted me later, I would think twice about Cornell partly because it would be harder to find housing with my sis and also partly because the deferral would leave a bitter taste in my mouth, whereas the schools who outright accepted me would gain favor.

I totally agree with this. I love Cornell... But if I'm not their first choice it would make me feel like I'm sloppy seconds




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