Cornell c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle) Forum

[lrslayer]

This is something that really pisses me off about LSN. I think if you are going to be part of it, why not fill in your info? If you aren't interested in doing that, don't use the site! Oh and its annoying when people finish their cycle and don't bother to update where to got in or dinged. /rant

[chem]

This is something that really pisses me off about LSN. I think if you are going to be part of it, why not fill in your info? If you aren't interested in doing that, don't use the site! Oh and its annoying when people finish their cycle and don't bother to update where to got in or dinged. /rant

*Runs off to LSN to update info

[DonnaDraper]

Using admisionquestion's (http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/m ... le&u=67390) method, I've been able to data mine the following information from LSN related to applicants who applied from day one to 11/2 in this cycle and compare it to last year's cycle:

2010-2011 Data:

Median LSAT: 169
Mean LSAT: 168.22
Median GPA: 3.71
Mean GPA: 3.648

2011-2012 Data:

Median LSAT: 170
Mean LSAT: 169.19
Median GPA: 3.75
Mean GPA: 3.669

2010-2011 Sample Size: 155
2011-2012 Sample Size: 83

Maybe more people will fill out LSN towards the end of the cycle but that is a pretty big discrepancy.

I thought this might be interesting to future hopeful Cornellians.

Wait, this is GOOD news, right? The people who've applied as of Nov. 2 are slightly higher-scoring than their counterparts last year (by 1 LSAT point, .04 GPA), but there are WAYYY fewer of them.

I suppose people might come on to LSN weeks from now and enter a pre-Nov. 2 "sent" date retroactively, but it doesn't seem like there would be that many of those. I think most people who are hyper enough to create an LSN profile tend to enter transactions as they happen.

Yea I don't know whether to be happy or sad with this info. 155 to 83 is a pretty big drop, but based on the medians it seems that the less qualified candidates are the ones that are dropping off.

[UnamSanctam]

Yes, but it looks like the increase was minimal.

ETA: And these people applying to Cornell with higher numbers are probably going to go elsewhere.

[JPudding]

Using admisionquestion's (http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/m ... le&u=67390) method, I've been able to data mine the following information from LSN related to applicants who applied from day one to 11/2 in this cycle and compare it to last year's cycle:

2010-2011 Data:

Median LSAT: 169
Mean LSAT: 168.22
Median GPA: 3.71
Mean GPA: 3.648

2011-2012 Data:

Median LSAT: 170
Mean LSAT: 169.19
Median GPA: 3.75
Mean GPA: 3.669

2010-2011 Sample Size: 155
2011-2012 Sample Size: 83

Maybe more people will fill out LSN towards the end of the cycle but that is a pretty big discrepancy.

I thought this might be interesting to future hopeful Cornellians.

Wait, this is GOOD news, right? The people who've applied as of Nov. 2 are slightly higher-scoring than their counterparts last year (by 1 LSAT point, .04 GPA), but there are WAYYY fewer of them.

I suppose people might come on to LSN weeks from now and enter a pre-Nov. 2 "sent" date retroactively, but it doesn't seem like there would be that many of those. I think most people who are hyper enough to create an LSN profile tend to enter transactions as they happen.

Yea I don't know whether to be happy or sad with this info. 155 to 83 is a pretty big drop, but based on the medians it seems that the less qualified candidates are the ones that are dropping off.

So even though these LSN medians are up, with such a huge drop from 155 to 83 it would indicate that there are still less 168-170 LSATs to go around, no? In other words is this a sign that medians for acceptance might drop?

[top30man]

I feel like if any of them move it will be gpa. Schools fight hard to maintain LSAT medians.

[lrslayer]

Using admisionquestion's (http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/m ... le&u=67390) method, I've been able to data mine the following information from LSN related to applicants who applied from day one to 11/2 in this cycle and compare it to last year's cycle:

2010-2011 Data:

Median LSAT: 169
Mean LSAT: 168.22
Median GPA: 3.71
Mean GPA: 3.648

2011-2012 Data:

Median LSAT: 170
Mean LSAT: 169.19
Median GPA: 3.75
Mean GPA: 3.669

2010-2011 Sample Size: 155
2011-2012 Sample Size: 83

Maybe more people will fill out LSN towards the end of the cycle but that is a pretty big discrepancy.

I thought this might be interesting to future hopeful Cornellians.

Wait, this is GOOD news, right? The people who've applied as of Nov. 2 are slightly higher-scoring than their counterparts last year (by 1 LSAT point, .04 GPA), but there are WAYYY fewer of them.

I suppose people might come on to LSN weeks from now and enter a pre-Nov. 2 "sent" date retroactively, but it doesn't seem like there would be that many of those. I think most people who are hyper enough to create an LSN profile tend to enter transactions as they happen.

Yea I don't know whether to be happy or sad with this info. 155 to 83 is a pretty big drop, but based on the medians it seems that the less qualified candidates are the ones that are dropping off.

So even though these LSN medians are up, with such a huge drop from 155 to 83 it would indicate that there are still less 168-170 LSATs to go around, no? In other words is this a sign that medians for acceptance might drop?

it would seem so. i was reading a similar conversation on the harvard (?) thread. but its different because of where cornell sits in the rankings. many of the high scoring applicants are going to go to harvard's huge class right? and then every other school above cornell. leaves cornell with having to sift through everyone else's sloppy seconds from above them no?

[Hopefully2012]

Yes, but it looks like the increase was minimal.

ETA: And these people applying to Cornell with higher numbers are probably going to go elsewhere.

This is the conclusion I came up with from the data. FWIW NYU's LSN data points dropped from 160 to 120. There are similar drops for WUSTL, Michigan and Penn. The only school to maintain/increase the amount of LSN data points was Northwestern (from 83 to 89 IIRC)--I'm pretty sure this has to do with their full tuition ED program implemented this year.

So far it looks like the decrease of LSAT takers has indeed affected the number of applicants in the pool as we all predicted it would.

A caveat is, as some of the other posters have pointed out, the people who go back and fill out all the LSN data after the end of their cycle.. to adjust for this, I only used data points from people who specified 9/3/2010 to 11/2/2010 in the 2010-2011 cycle and I used all the users currently registered for this cycle even if they didn't add submission dates. Therefore, the drop is likely to be even more than in my original post. HTH

[DonnaDraper]

I think another aspect to take into consideration is the number of people who have an LSN profile, but have set their privacy settings to non-visible. (altho that group could probs be included in the post-cycle LSN people)

Also, does anyone think there is any chance that law schools will opt to lessen the number of students for their incoming classes? (I know we are trying to stay positive, but I am preparing for the worst/offering this up for the sake of debate)

[lrslayer]

I think another aspect to take into consideration is the number of people who have an LSN profile, but have set their privacy settings to non-visible. (altho that group could probs be included in the post-cycle LSN people)

Also, does anyone think there is any chance that law schools will opt to lessen the number of students for their incoming classes? (I know we are trying to stay positive, but I am preparing for the worst/offering this up for the sake of debate)

this was also discussed on the hls thread. the answer seemed to be that it depends on the school. for example, harvard consistently maintains its class size while some schools decrease to maintain medians. i am not sure about cornell though.

[emkay625]

I think another aspect to take into consideration is the number of people who have an LSN profile, but have set their privacy settings to non-visible. (altho that group could probs be included in the post-cycle LSN people)

Also, does anyone think there is any chance that law schools will opt to lessen the number of students for their incoming classes? (I know we are trying to stay positive, but I am preparing for the worst/offering this up for the sake of debate)

I think they will decrease some, but a school can only lessen its class size so much before having to cut employees/faculty members, etc, and I don't think they'll want to do that. I think a 10 percent drop is manageable, 20 percent, not so much.

But that's just me speculating out my ass.

[law2015]

Just received a really nice looking Cornell booklet in the mail with an application fee waiver.

[Cornelius]

I think another aspect to take into consideration is the number of people who have an LSN profile, but have set their privacy settings to non-visible. (altho that group could probs be included in the post-cycle LSN people)

Also, does anyone think there is any chance that law schools will opt to lessen the number of students for their incoming classes? (I know we are trying to stay positive, but I am preparing for the worst/offering this up for the sake of debate)

I think they will decrease some, but a school can only lessen its class size so much before having to cut employees/faculty members, etc, and I don't think they'll want to do that. I think a 10 percent drop is manageable, 20 percent, not so much.

But that's just me speculating out my ass.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[gavinstevens]

I hear Ithaca to NYC is three to four hours by bus or car, what about Boston?

I've looked up bus routes, etc. just wondering how long it actually takes.

[justonemoregame]

about 5.5 hours -- only 5 to toronto : )

[top30man]

I hear Ithaca to NYC is three to four hours by bus or car, what about Boston?

I've looked up bus routes, etc. just wondering how long it actually takes.

NYC is about four. Boston closer to six.

[thelawyler]

This is something that really pisses me off about LSN. I think if you are going to be part of it, why not fill in your info? If you aren't interested in doing that, don't use the site! Oh and its annoying when people finish their cycle and don't bother to update where to got in or dinged. /rant

Yeah, I tell all my friends who use it to put their profile on there, even if completely anonymously.

[crumpledq]

This is something that really pisses me off about LSN. I think if you are going to be part of it, why not fill in your info? If you aren't interested in doing that, don't use the site! Oh and its annoying when people finish their cycle and don't bother to update where to got in or dinged. /rant

Yeah, I tell all my friends who use it to put their profile on there, even if completely anonymously.

This applies to most folks. However, some people have very distinctive numbers that make them easily identifiable just from their LSAT/GPA (speaking as a ridiculous splitter). I'd rather someone be invisible on LSN (like me) than put out inaccurate numbers in order to preserve their anonymity.

[Robespierre]

I think another aspect to take into consideration is the number of people who have an LSN profile, but have set their privacy settings to non-visible. (altho that group could probs be included in the post-cycle LSN people)

Also, does anyone think there is any chance that law schools will opt to lessen the number of students for their incoming classes? (I know we are trying to stay positive, but I am preparing for the worst/offering this up for the sake of debate)

I think they will decrease some, but a school can only lessen its class size so much before having to cut employees/faculty members, etc, and I don't think they'll want to do that. I think a 10 percent drop is manageable, 20 percent, not so much.

But that's just me speculating out my ass.

I agree with this. And it goes double for Cornell since their class is so small to begin with.

[minnbills]

I agree with this. And it goes double for Cornell since their class is so small to begin with.

Hope you're right...

Also, nice 'tar. I hope you recognize mine.

[Tim0thy222]

This is something that really pisses me off about LSN. I think if you are going to be part of it, why not fill in your info? If you aren't interested in doing that, don't use the site! Oh and its annoying when people finish their cycle and don't bother to update where to got in or dinged. /rant

Yeah, I tell all my friends who use it to put their profile on there, even if completely anonymously.

This applies to most folks. However, some people have very distinctive numbers that make them easily identifiable just from their LSAT/GPA (speaking as a ridiculous splitter). I'd rather someone be invisible on LSN (like me) than put out inaccurate numbers in order to preserve their anonymity.

Since you mentioned this I'd like to pose a question that's been on my mind. Is there a compelling reason to keep anonymity? I mean, I have pretty distinctive numbers, and my first name in my username, so I think any admissions person who was even remotely interested could find my LSN and TLS profiles in about 5 minutes, but I'm not trying to keep it a secret what schools I've applied to, and I'd like to think I don't say anything on these forums that I wouldn't mind the whole world reading.

Is there some reason or consideration I'm missing here?

[paul34]

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[crumpledq]

This is something that really pisses me off about LSN. I think if you are going to be part of it, why not fill in your info? If you aren't interested in doing that, don't use the site! Oh and its annoying when people finish their cycle and don't bother to update where to got in or dinged. /rant

Yeah, I tell all my friends who use it to put their profile on there, even if completely anonymously.

This applies to most folks. However, some people have very distinctive numbers that make them easily identifiable just from their LSAT/GPA (speaking as a ridiculous splitter). I'd rather someone be invisible on LSN (like me) than put out inaccurate numbers in order to preserve their anonymity.

Since you mentioned this I'd like to pose a question that's been on my mind. Is there a compelling reason to keep anonymity? I mean, I have pretty distinctive numbers, and my first name in my username, so I think any admissions person who was even remotely interested could find my LSN and TLS profiles in about 5 minutes, but I'm not trying to keep it a secret what schools I've applied to, and I'd like to think I don't say anything on these forums that I wouldn't mind the whole world reading.

Is there some reason or consideration I'm missing here?

What paul34 said. Also, some schools might not like realizing that they're your safety (based on the other schools you're applying to in their market).

[KevinP]

Submitted my application to Cornell a few days ago. I might literally have the worst PS that Cornell has ever received since I just absolutely hate creative writing. I'd be more than ecstatic if they'd be willing to overlook my huge PS/Resume flaws and accept me because of my numbers.

[Schang1]

Submitted my application to Cornell a few days ago. I might literally have the worst PS that Cornell has ever received since I just absolutely hate creative writing. I'd be more than ecstatic if they'd be willing to overlook my huge PS/Resume flaws and accept me because of my numbers.

I submitted the worst Why Cornell essay. I don't have high numbers so I think I might be in trouble