Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:28 am

MiamiOxford wrote:So I've been under review since 10/19, but never received an email about it... What's up with that?


I never received an under review email, either, but have been since 10/27 (per status checker).

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sandwiches5000 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:29 am

MiamiOxford wrote:So I've been under review since 10/19, but never received an email about it... What's up with that?


Check yo spam. MiamiOxford, get outta this thread. We're supposed to be breaking our addictions.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby curiouscat » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:38 am

Hmm... My status checker went to UR on November 14 but I just got the email today. Does that mean I've only gone UR now or are they just sending the emails out in batches?

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Re: Prop 209

Postby Justdoingmybest » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:41 am

MikulJaxin wrote:

What angers me is someone bragging that they got into Berkeley mainly because they were a URM. Every time Berkeley admits someone with bad statistics like a 159 LSAT it ultimately harms the prestige of the school by reducing ranges which are factored into rankings..


Here are the LSAT ranges for 3 out of the top 5
Yale (2014) 158-180,
Stanford (2013) 160-180 (2012) 157-180
Uchicago (2014) 154-180

I doubt that admitting people with 159's will have that great of an effect on a school's prestige. I have heard and know of people who have gotten into schools ranked higher than Berkeley with LSAT scores lower than 159. You are not an adcomm, you do not determine who gets in. The only thing Berkeley wants from you right now is a great application.

Take Care.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby LaCumparsita » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:16 am

In!!! Haha just woke up to an email saying that after a few failed attempts to reach me by phone, he was reminded by one of my professors (just gave away my alma mater) that I was in Europe. Awesome

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby gloriouscause » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:41 am

Congrats, that's awesome. any of the 11/22 UR people want to take bets on when our round of calls will come out?

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby FryBreadPower » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:42 am

gloriouscause wrote:Congrats, that's awesome. any of the 11/22 UR people want to take bets on when our round of calls will come out?


Mid-December?

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby amc987 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:43 am

gloriouscause wrote:Congrats, that's awesome. any of the 11/22 UR people want to take bets on when our round of calls will come out?


Last year's LSN seems to suggest that it'll happen in the 1st or 2nd full week of December. Last year a lot of people were accepted on 12/13.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby FryBreadPower » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:45 am

amc987 wrote:
gloriouscause wrote:Congrats, that's awesome. any of the 11/22 UR people want to take bets on when our round of calls will come out?


Last year's LSN seems to suggest that it'll happen in the 1st or 2nd full week of December. Last year a lot of people were accepted on 12/13.


So early Nov. UR are probably looking at next week then?

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby amc987 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:49 am

FryBreadPower wrote:
amc987 wrote:
gloriouscause wrote:Congrats, that's awesome. any of the 11/22 UR people want to take bets on when our round of calls will come out?


Last year's LSN seems to suggest that it'll happen in the 1st or 2nd full week of December. Last year a lot of people were accepted on 12/13.


So early Nov. UR are probably looking at next week then?


I mean, it's all just guesswork on my part. Again, last year's LSN shows people who were accepted during the last week of November as well. I guess it just depends on whether Dean Tom does calls piecemeal or whether he does them in huge batches. It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility for more acceptance calls to happen next week though. Those calls just probably wouldn't include people UR on 11/22.
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Re: Prop 209

Postby Champion » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:49 am

Justdoingmybest wrote:
MikulJaxin wrote:

What angers me is someone bragging that they got into Berkeley mainly because they were a URM. Every time Berkeley admits someone with bad statistics like a 159 LSAT it ultimately harms the prestige of the school by reducing ranges which are factored into rankings..


Here are the LSAT ranges for 3 out of the top 5
Yale (2014) 158-180,
Stanford (2013) 160-180 (2012) 157-180
Uchicago (2014) 154-180

I doubt that admitting people with 159's will have that great of an effect on a school's prestige. I have heard and know of people who have gotten into schools ranked higher than Berkeley with LSAT scores lower than 159. You are not an adcomm, you do not determine who gets in. The only thing Berkeley wants from you right now is a great application.

Take Care.



Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby FryBreadPower » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:50 am

amc987 wrote:
FryBreadPower wrote:
amc987 wrote:
gloriouscause wrote:Congrats, that's awesome. any of the 11/22 UR people want to take bets on when our round of calls will come out?


Last year's LSN seems to suggest that it'll happen in the 1st or 2nd full week of December. Last year a lot of people were accepted on 12/13.


So early Nov. UR are probably looking at next week then?


I mean, it's all just guesswork on my part. Again, last years LSN shows people who were accepted during the last week of November as well. I guess it just depends on whether Dean Tom does calls piecemeal or whether he does them in huge batches. It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility for more acceptance calls to happen next week though. Those calls just probably wouldn't include people UR on 11/22.


I would tend to agree. It wouldn't surprise me if that batch of people would have to wait until early-Jan.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Champion » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:57 am

I was pretty surprised that more phone calls weren't made today. It doesn't seem like many were made yesterday. Let's hope for more today so a few more peoples Thanksgiving's could be that much better.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby outsidethescope » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:40 am

Champion wrote:I was pretty surprised that more phone calls weren't made today. It doesn't seem like many were made yesterday. Let's hope for more today so a few more peoples Thanksgiving's could be that much better.


I'm praying some of y'all get calls tomorrow morning, if just for my own excitement. :D I love watching people post about getting in to the schools of their dreams! It's like Christmas, only better because it'll last 3 years, if we're lucky.

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Prop 209

Postby MikulJaxin » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:06 am

Good thing some of you all aren't constitutional lawyers. Would you show up at the California Supreme Court and be like, "Omg judge this amendment sucks.....so can you just throw it out...thanks :-)" and "Oh hey judge.....this amendment shouldn't apply to public schools because....you know...uhh...it doesn't apply to private schools...even though it specifically only mentions public institutions.."

The fact is it doesn't matter what Stanford, UChicago, etc... do with regards to URMs. It also doesn't matter whether you personally approve of that practice or disapprove of it. The whole point of this discussion, before it went off into this melodramatic emotional tangent, was that the California constitution specifically prohibits the consideration of race/ethnicity in admission.

If Berkeley wants to admit people with lower stats who have some AMAZING story, that's fine but if anyone claims that the fact that they were a URM factored into that decision, that is implying that Berkeley simply chose to ignore the constitution of California. There's nothing subjective about this. If you don't believe me look at Article I, Section 31 of the California constitution. The amendment has not only been upheld by the 9th Circuit but two times by the Supreme Court of California.

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Re: Prop 209

Postby Errzii » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:37 am

MikulJaxin wrote:If Berkeley wants to admit people with lower stats who have some AMAZING story, that's fine but if anyone claims that the fact that they were a URM factored into that decision, that is implying that Berkeley simply chose to ignore the constitution of California.


No one except the adcomms know why an applicant is admitted and as such it doesn't matter what the admitted person claims. Unless the adcomms themselves state that URM was factored into a decision (which they wouldn't) it would be difficult to prove that they do. Anyway prop 209 doesn't mean shit, California law schools can easily get around it indirectly and Berkeley is no different. Also, URM get a substantial boost everywhere else in the country so why does it matter? Stop worrying so much about other people and worry about yourself.

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Re: Prop 209

Postby ahnhub » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:52 am

Errzii wrote:
MikulJaxin wrote:If Berkeley wants to admit people with lower stats who have some AMAZING story, that's fine but if anyone claims that the fact that they were a URM factored into that decision, that is implying that Berkeley simply chose to ignore the constitution of California.


No one except the adcomms know why an applicant is admitted and as such it doesn't matter what the admitted person claims. Unless the adcomms themselves state that URM was factored into a decision (which they wouldn't) it would be difficult to prove that they do. Anyway prop 209 doesn't mean shit, California law schools can easily get around it indirectly and Berkeley is no different. Also, URM get a substantial boost everywhere else in the country so why does it matter? Stop worrying so much about other people and worry about yourself.


Well, I don't have a horse in the race but MikulJackson seemed to be saying that California's constitution explicitly forbid racial preference, and if Berkeley or any other school gets around it somehow they are breaking the spirit of the law. Which seems like a legitimate argument....EXCEPT maybe the "diversity" thing is a legitimate work-around?

I personally support AA, but it does bother me a little that a state could put an anti-AA statute into law and a public school could still choose to ignore it.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby hyakku » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:02 am

I think everyone can agree that states, or the federal government for that matter, skirting laws should be frowned upon. However, the fact of the matter is, it's still incredibly early in the cycle, and the few trying to denigrate champion's achievement because he's only URM is not only unfounded but pretty illogical considering that Berkeley could just wait a couple of months, see what their quotas are like, and then admit borderline candidates / URMs like myself or champion. The fact that he was offered admission in one of the first rounds with his stats suggests to me that Berkeley saw something unique that they wanted.

In any case, this discussion has gotten beyond pointless. Once again, grats to everyone getting in, and I'm hoping to join you all soon.

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Re: Prop 209

Postby FryBreadPower » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:04 pm

ahnhub wrote:
Errzii wrote:
MikulJaxin wrote:If Berkeley wants to admit people with lower stats who have some AMAZING story, that's fine but if anyone claims that the fact that they were a URM factored into that decision, that is implying that Berkeley simply chose to ignore the constitution of California.


No one except the adcomms know why an applicant is admitted and as such it doesn't matter what the admitted person claims. Unless the adcomms themselves state that URM was factored into a decision (which they wouldn't) it would be difficult to prove that they do. Anyway prop 209 doesn't mean shit, California law schools can easily get around it indirectly and Berkeley is no different. Also, URM get a substantial boost everywhere else in the country so why does it matter? Stop worrying so much about other people and worry about yourself.


Well, I don't have a horse in the race but MikulJackson seemed to be saying that California's constitution explicitly forbid racial preference, and if Berkeley or any other school gets around it somehow they are breaking the spirit of the law. Which seems like a legitimate argument....EXCEPT maybe the "diversity" thing is a legitimate work-around?

I personally support AA, but it does bother me a little that a state could put an anti-AA statute into law and a public school could still choose to ignore it.


Way of the world my friend. Good ol' things called loopholes.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby outsidethescope » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:12 pm

There's a place for this discussion, and it isn't here.


Let's talk about phone calls instead. Anyone have any more news???? :D

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby thelawschoolproject » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm

outsidethescope wrote:There's a place for this discussion, and it isn't here.


Let's talk about phone calls instead. Anyone have any more news???? :D



Agreed.


No phone call for me, just an email that I'm UR. Not sure how long I'll have to sit on that.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:23 pm

thelawschoolproject wrote:
outsidethescope wrote:There's a place for this discussion, and it isn't here.


Let's talk about phone calls instead. Anyone have any more news???? :D



Agreed.


No phone call for me, just an email that I'm UR. Not sure how long I'll have to sit on that.

Me too.. how long did it take for those who were accepted this week?

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby FryBreadPower » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:44 pm

thelawschoolproject wrote:
outsidethescope wrote:There's a place for this discussion, and it isn't here.


Let's talk about phone calls instead. Anyone have any more news???? :D



Agreed.


No phone call for me, just an email that I'm UR. Not sure how long I'll have to sit on that.


Ditto for about 10 days thus far.

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby MoneyTeam » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:04 pm

Hopefully some more calls will be made on Monday!

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Re: Berkeley c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jolin3 » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:29 pm

MoneyTeam wrote:Hopefully some more calls will be made on Monday!


agreed. i can't handle this waiting. hopefully the 11/22 UR decisions come out soon




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