Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jetissent » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:56 pm

larsoner wrote:I have a question about LORs. I have been working for the last year on an independent math/stats research project with a professor at my school and at the behest of a UN organization, for whom I did an internship about a year ago. The project is finally wrapping up and I am doing the finally write-up. I can probably get the paper published in journal, but first it needs to be edited etc. etc. so I'm certainly not going to have a confirmation on publishing before Stanford (I'm a soft hold) or Harvard (I'm a hold hold) make decisions on me. I'm going to present my work at a small conference in about a month and I have maybe a couple other things to add to a resume (lined up a summer legal internship with a non-profit, have been nominated for distinction in one of my majors), but I don't know if a line on my resume about a small not competitive conference would really capture the awesomeness of actually having finally finished this research that has been eating my life for a year.

So my question. Stanford, my top choice, has an LOR from my research adviser already and I imagine it was pretty good, but if my adviser sent an updated LOR she could talk about how I've finally finished this thing. Do people send updated LORs to Stanford or Harvard? Would that be a terrible idea? Of course I could send them a letter about what I have done, but I think it would be more convincing if I didn't write it, wouldn't it? Should I just send an updated resume?

Sorry this post is so long and thanks for any advise.


I actually think it would be better coming from you in an LOCI/update. Adding a few lines to your resume wouldn't make much of a difference but explaining these accomplishments would. I've read several Deans' blog posts about not over doing it on LOR and I think it show much more effort/proactive attention on your part to write up a letter than to ask someone else to. Just my 2 cents though. :)

Congrats and good luck!

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Geneva » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:00 pm

azgirl514 wrote:
hellothisisme wrote:I'm assuming my rejection from Berkeley means my chances at Stanford are completely nonexistent.

Oh well... Nothing I didn't know from the get-go.


This is not necessarily true at all! Keep optimistic: Berkeley is known for being a black box when it comes to admissions. There are a few people on TLS with incredible LSAT scores who got into Harvard, Columbia, etc and didn't get into Boalt. Each admissions process is completely different.


I take it that also mean an acceptance at Berkeley should not give me hope for other schools? I applied in January/February and was worried that applying late would really hurt my cycle.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby hypothalamus » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:06 pm

jetissent wrote:I actually think it would be better coming from you in an LOCI/update. Adding a few lines to your resume wouldn't make much of a difference but explaining these accomplishments would. I've read several Deans' blog posts about not over doing it on LOR and I think it show much more effort/proactive attention on your part to write up a letter than to ask someone else to. Just my 2 cents though. :)

Congrats and good luck!


My inclination would be to go with the professor update, simply because he can provide a more objective evaluation of how significant your achievement is. I'm a little doubtful admissions officers at this point in the cycle would sit down and ponder the implications of your writing it yourself (i.e. that you are proactive, etc). But in the end, it's your decision. You have two obviously brilliant people (*dusts shoulders*) giving you the opposite advice, so maybe either would be fine. :D

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby amc987 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:46 pm

The silence is deafening... And it's also starting to drive me a little nutso. Come on Dean Deal, show us some love with some calls from the 650 today!!

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sailboat » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:56 pm

If LSN is to be believed, it looks like they've been gradually making their way through the pile of soft holds. Mostly rejections, but a few acceptances sprinkled here and there. It's interesting how steady it's been though; I see a few waves on certain dates (lots of Valentine's day rejects, ouch!) but by and large it's more like one or two reported decisions every couple days.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sharktankdean » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:02 pm

I woke up this morning and i think i just gave up. This week has been full of dissapointment

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby larsoner » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:29 pm

Thank you, jetissent and hypothalamus. Still not sure what I'm going to do, but it helps to know that how I should go about this isn't clear to everyone but me.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby hypothalamus » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:33 pm

larsoner wrote:Thank you, jetissent and hypothalamus. Still not sure what I'm going to do, but it helps to know that how I should go about this isn't clear to everyone but me.


I mean, that said, I'm always right about everything, so... :D :D ;)

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jetissent » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:44 pm

larsoner wrote:Thank you, jetissent and hypothalamus. Still not sure what I'm going to do, but it helps to know that how I should go about this isn't clear to everyone but me.


No problem, good luck! :)

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby hellothisisme » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:46 pm

azgirl514 wrote:
hellothisisme wrote:I'm assuming my rejection from Berkeley means my chances at Stanford are completely nonexistent.

Oh well... Nothing I didn't know from the get-go.


This is not necessarily true at all! Keep optimistic: Berkeley is known for being a black box when it comes to admissions. There are a few people on TLS with incredible LSAT scores who got into Harvard, Columbia, etc and didn't get into Boalt. Each admissions process is completely different.


Well thank you for the optimism! I just figured that since Stanford and Berkeley are known as "softs whores" and since Stanford is probably even harder to get into than Berk, my chances are zilch now. My softs suck and my numbers aren't even that great to make up for it. But I'll try to keep a positive attitude, even though this damn process is so stressful.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Zelda » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:55 pm

Who else is waiting?

Looking at 2010-2011 LSN is not giving me much confidence...

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Doorkeeper » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:59 pm

Zelda wrote:Who else is waiting?

Looking at 2010-2011 LSN is not giving me much confidence...


Why? I looked back and there were a number of admits anywhere from early March to early April. I think now will be the period where the "soft holds" get admitted.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Zelda » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:21 pm

Doorkeeper wrote:
Zelda wrote:Who else is waiting?

Looking at 2010-2011 LSN is not giving me much confidence...


Why? I looked back and there were a number of admits anywhere from early March to early April. I think now will be the period where the "soft holds" get admitted.


Here are the people on LSN that got in after this time last year:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/kdubb513 4/8/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/brooklynwegohard 4/7/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/GoneWest 4/6/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Gr8Gatsby 4/2/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/achtentachtig 4/1/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/badams2 3/31/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ElMargarita 3/31/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/mps 3/30/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/usonesinbetween 3/30/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/neonx 3/30/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/elchurro 3/28/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/jimbo1220 3/11/11

I agree that it isn't like 0 people received good news, but this seems like a pretty limited number to me.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Doorkeeper » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:23 pm

Zelda wrote:
Doorkeeper wrote:
Zelda wrote:Who else is waiting?

Looking at 2010-2011 LSN is not giving me much confidence...


Why? I looked back and there were a number of admits anywhere from early March to early April. I think now will be the period where the "soft holds" get admitted.


Here are the people on LSN that got in after this time last year:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/kdubb513 4/8/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/brooklynwegohard 4/7/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/GoneWest 4/6/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Gr8Gatsby 4/2/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/achtentachtig 4/1/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/badams2 3/31/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ElMargarita 3/31/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/mps 3/30/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/usonesinbetween 3/30/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/neonx 3/30/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/elchurro 3/28/11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/jimbo1220 3/11/11

I agree that it isn't like 0 people received good news, but this seems like a pretty limited number to me.


Stanford only admits 380 people per cycle. In another thread, someone estimated about 10% of people applying to the top schools use LSN. If that's the case, and if it's safe to extrapolate this data out, that means that 80-120 or so people got in around March-April of the 380 total admitted. That's not something to disregard.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Zelda » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:50 pm

I didn't realize such a small percentage used LSN.

Good to know. Thanks!

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sharktankdean » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:01 pm

Yeah i lost a lot of hope for stanford. And i did a rough count and looking at lsn, it seems that this cycle and last cycle are similar in respect to the # of people who had gotten in at this time of the year.

But we have to take into consideration the few people who delete their lsn accounts when their cycle is over...

and the fact that stanford didn't make any decisions last week

when u take everything into consideration....there isn't much hope but at least there is some hope to hold onto.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Aqua » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:16 pm

sharktankdean wrote:Yeah i lost a lot of hope for stanford. And i did a rough count and looking at lsn, it seems that this cycle and last cycle are similar in respect to the # of people who had gotten in at this time of the year.

But we have to take into consideration the few people who delete their lsn accounts when their cycle is over...

and the fact that stanford didn't make any decisions last week

when u take everything into consideration....there isn't much hope but at least there is some hope to hold onto.

I think there is definitely hope! I applied to Berkeley less than a week before the application deadline and I'm from out of state, but I made it through FR2 contrary to TLS wisdom. Until I get a rejection letter, I'm going to stay positive.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sharktankdean » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:43 pm

Aqua wrote:
sharktankdean wrote:Yeah i lost a lot of hope for stanford. And i did a rough count and looking at lsn, it seems that this cycle and last cycle are similar in respect to the # of people who had gotten in at this time of the year.

But we have to take into consideration the few people who delete their lsn accounts when their cycle is over...

and the fact that stanford didn't make any decisions last week

when u take everything into consideration....there isn't much hope but at least there is some hope to hold onto.

I think there is definitely hope! I applied to Berkeley less than a week before the application deadline and I'm from out of state, but I made it through FR2 contrary to TLS wisdom. Until I get a rejection letter, I'm going to stay positive.



i know there is hope... I'm just not sure how MUCH hope there is. Lets see what this week brings I guess.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby MyLegendLives » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:15 pm

sharktankdean wrote:
Aqua wrote:
sharktankdean wrote:Yeah i lost a lot of hope for stanford. And i did a rough count and looking at lsn, it seems that this cycle and last cycle are similar in respect to the # of people who had gotten in at this time of the year.

But we have to take into consideration the few people who delete their lsn accounts when their cycle is over...

and the fact that stanford didn't make any decisions last week

when u take everything into consideration....there isn't much hope but at least there is some hope to hold onto.

I think there is definitely hope! I applied to Berkeley less than a week before the application deadline and I'm from out of state, but I made it through FR2 contrary to TLS wisdom. Until I get a rejection letter, I'm going to stay positive.



i know there is hope... I'm just not sure how MUCH hope there is. Lets see what this week brings I guess.



Damn, your pessimism has no end.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sharktankdean » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:53 pm

LOL. I'll try and stay positive.

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Geneva » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:59 pm

Berkeley=blackbox, Stanford=blackbox. Any overlap between these boxes? I wonder what proportion of applicants that apply to Boalt and Stanford and are admitted to Boalt (not off waitlist) will also be admitted to Stanford. Am trying to find ways to feel hopeful about my chances at Stanford since I screwed up my application to Yale...

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby hypothalamus » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:16 am

sharktankdean wrote:LOL. I'll try and stay positive.


I'm taking over from sharktankdean as operator of the pessimism train... LSN tells me to expect a number of rejections this week and next, with the possibility of a few acceptances at the very end of the month. :D

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sharktankdean » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:45 am

hypothalamus wrote:
sharktankdean wrote:LOL. I'll try and stay positive.


I'm taking over from sharktankdean as operator of the pessimism train... LSN tells me to expect a number of rejections this week and next, with the possibility of a few acceptances at the very end of the month. :D


lol don't be like me...being negative doesn't really get u much...

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby kindaklueless » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:52 am

Can't imagine last year being terribly predictive. Based on LSN and last year's TLS thread, weren't we just predicting a wave of URM admits last week that didn't came to pass?

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Re: Stanford c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby MyLegendLives » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:55 am

kindaklueless wrote:Can't imagine last year being terribly predictive. Based on LSN and last year's TLS thread, weren't we just predicting a wave of URM admits last week that didn't came to pass?



You're right. Last year is not the best guide.




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